Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

by SilentCarto Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:45 pm

Mister Nikel wrote:Well unless Somber trolls us all by making him guard Chapel or something. That'd be more disappointing than Mare Do well.

Well, you realize that he can't exactly fit in most adventure dungeons... and you generally wouldn't want him to make a door he could get in through... and the ones where he could fit, like a giant greenhouse, you might not want him to.

There's a reason that "Hulking Size" is a disadvantage in most RPG systems.

Harmony Ltd. wrote:Lacunae never existed. There was never a Lacunae.

Which I think is kind of bullshit. What is a person, if not the emergent behavior of a vastly complex group of lesser parts? One neuron is nothing; a cell that can signal adjacent cells. But millions upon millions of neurons form drives, reflexes, instincts. When the network becomes sufficiently complex, it gains the capacity to remember, to learn, to change and to choose. Pile up those memories and learned responses, a lifetime of experiences, and you have a person. It's just that Lacunae and Rampage's components aren't buried under multiple layers of simulation that allow them to pretend their perception of the world is something other than patterns of electrical impulses.

by Caoimhe Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:49 pm

Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

by BrentOGara Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:57 pm

FeatherDust wrote: ...

Dawn's transformation did rather put me in the mind of SHODAN, I will admit.

I love SHODAN so much that I always stop playing the game at the point they force you to kill her. I've 'beat' SS2 four or five (dozen) times, but I've never killed SHODAN.

The foregoing was completely off topic, so let me bring it back by saying; I personally think that the 'blue line' (intelligent strategic 'AI') is Celestia. But of course I'm always wrong when I indulge in WMG. [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion - Page 29 4206338362

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by Moodyman90 Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:01 pm

@Caoimhe

If I wasn't somehow spared from the same level of mind crippling PTSD as others got from Navi, I'd call for you head for that.

But since I wasn't I find it funny as hell.

by BrentOGara Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:17 pm

CannonFodder wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:Aren't you forgetting the Descendant Protocol? Or are you assuming that it won't work?
I'm not saying that it won't work so much as the program had several fall backs in case the chain of command was all killed. It'd be kind of dumb to create a program that only a small number of ponies that can over time be fired or replaced on the list and then when the end comes nobody other than a relative can use it. After all what were the chances that a relative of the mane 6 would be stationed at the base? It would also make sense why the last destination for the program is a military base, cause they would have a acting commanding officer regardless so long as some of the ponies hadn't died yet.

I mean, the instant Smiling Jack/Reaper/Echo discovers that Celestia herself is inhabiting a (nigh-indestructable) Soul-Jar Crusader Maneframe, well, EC-1101's wandering days are over. There is no self-consistent argument that includes the idea that anyone other than Celestia is worthy of EC-1101 if Celestia is available, no matter her current form.

The whole reason SJ/R/E was attached to EC-1101 in the first place was to ensure it got to the highest ranking pony still alive... and Celestia is and was and forever will be the highest ranking pony.
... on the other hand, I am an unrepentant Celestia Fanbrony... so, I may be just the slightest bit biased. [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion - Page 29 2182320263

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by tylertoon2 Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:28 pm

What is a person, if not the emergent behavior of a vastly complex group of lesser parts? One neuron is nothing; a cell that can signal adjacent cells. But millions upon millions of neurons form drives, reflexes, instincts. When the network becomes sufficiently complex, it gains the capacity to remember, to learn, to change and to choose. Pile up those memories and learned responses, a lifetime of experiences, and you have a person.

I'm sorry but that was just fucking beautiful. I just have to point that out.

by Ketchup Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:32 pm

Only the brain knows how it works, and it isn't sharing.

I have no idea how Echo would react to Celestia's presence in the SPP, as he certainly knows about it. Or if he'd react at all, for that matter. But, knowing Somber, anything can happen with that.

Also, welcome to the forum, Brent.

by Stringtheory Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:30 pm

Ketchup wrote:I have no idea how Echo would react to Celestia's presence in the SPP, as he certainly knows about it. Or if he'd react at all, for that matter. But, knowing Somber, anything can happen with that.

wait, stop me if I'm not understanding, but how does Echo/EC-1101 know Celestia's in the SPP hub's crusader? last time I checked Blackjack never uploaded her pipbuck to an SPP tower, and it's entirely possible that the relationship between hub and towers is just one-way as to prevent hacking

or there's the possibility that EC-1101 only looks for organic signatures, and a digitized being would be unnoticed, but I doubt that given Goldenblood certainly knew of the fact that you could upload your soul into a crusader mainframe (or did he?)

by Vergil Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:32 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

I know this isn't the art thread, but is this more agreeable for you? It is for me!

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by Ketchup Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:33 pm

stringtheory wrote:
Ketchup wrote:I have no idea how Echo would react to Celestia's presence in the SPP, as he certainly knows about it. Or if he'd react at all, for that matter. But, knowing Somber, anything can happen with that.
wait, stop me if I'm not understanding, but how does Echo/EC-1101 know Celestia's in the SPP hub's crusader? last time I checked Blackjack never uploaded her pipbuck to an SPP tower, and it's entirely possible that the relationship between hub and towers is just one-way as to prevent hacking

or there's the possibility that EC-1101 only looks for organic signatures, and a digitized being would be unnoticed, but I doubt that given Goldenblood certainly knew of the fact that you could upload your soul into a crusader mainframe (or did he?)

I didn't mean that he knew Celestia was in the SPP, but that it exists. My bad.

by Caoimhe Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:36 pm

Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

I know this isn't the art thread, but is this more agreeable for you? It is for me!

snip

YES INDEEDY.

I do like the breastplate design in that other pic though. The wording is a little unclear in the story about how it goes up her shoulders but that artist got what I believe is right for the most part.

by Stringtheory Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:36 pm

Ketchup wrote:
stringtheory wrote:
Ketchup wrote:I have no idea how Echo would react to Celestia's presence in the SPP, as he certainly knows about it. Or if he'd react at all, for that matter. But, knowing Somber, anything can happen with that.
wait, stop me if I'm not understanding, but how does Echo/EC-1101 know Celestia's in the SPP hub's crusader? last time I checked Blackjack never uploaded her pipbuck to an SPP tower, and it's entirely possible that the relationship between hub and towers is just one-way as to prevent hacking

or there's the possibility that EC-1101 only looks for organic signatures, and a digitized being would be unnoticed, but I doubt that given Goldenblood certainly knew of the fact that you could upload your soul into a crusader mainframe (or did he?)
I didn't mean that he knew Celestia was in the SPP, but that it exists. My bad.

yeah, I got that right after I posted that, so here's my too late edit:

oh, just got that you meant that Echo knew about SPP, maybe it's just very low on the list of places to go, given it's pegasus only, and he knew that it would only unlock for RD or her descendants, plus it was in pegasus controlled territory, so they would probably use it only for them,
or EC-1101 is restricted to the Hoofington area only, as a way of Somber's of keeping the plot restrained to Hoofington (we don't want a re-tread of Canterlot do we?)

EDIT: was there an uplink with the MAS hub in Manehatten in chap. 34?

by Ketchup Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:55 pm

stringtheory wrote:
oh, just got that you meant that Echo knew about SPP, maybe it's just very low on the list of places to go, given it's pegasus only, and he knew that it would only unlock for RD or her descendants, plus it was in pegasus controlled territory, so they would probably use it only for them,
or EC-1101 is restricted to the Hoofington area only, as a way of Somber's of keeping the plot restrained to Hoofington (we don't want a re-tread of Canterlot do we?)

EDIT: was there an uplink with the MAS hub in Manehatten in chap. 34?

Ultimately, the SPP might not really be important to PH's plotline to any special degree. The SPP wouldn't really be important for finding ponies in authority if EC already thinks RD is dead/missing.

It's a bit too late for an excursion to Canterlot, the Enclave will destroy it soon. Blackjack doesn't really have a reason to go there.

As for that last bit, I don't know. Someone else may, though.

by SilentCarto Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:12 am

BrentOGara wrote:The foregoing was completely off topic, so let me bring it back by saying; I personally think that the 'blue line' (intelligent strategic 'AI') is Celestia. But of course I'm always wrong when I indulge in WMG.

You mean green -- blue was Dealer. I doubt it's Celestia, anyway. She specifically said she was unable to do anything but watch. That's her frustration, and (she feels) her punishment. I'm pretty sure the green line was running on OIA networks, since it was coming in from the security node, so knowing what we know now, it's almost certainly whoever locked himself in the Redoubt.

tylertoon2 wrote:I'm sorry but that was just fucking beautiful. I just have to point that out.

Thank you! Lyra

Vergil wrote:I know this isn't the art thread, but is this more agreeable for you? It is for me!
Spoiler:

Oh, that's perfect! That's exactly what I was picturing in my head.

by Luminous Lead Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:59 am

SilentCarto wrote:
It's almost certainly whoever locked himself in the Redoubt.

My money's on Horse or his... Sweetie Bot (~shudders~).

by Exodus Hero Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:14 am

Mister Nikel wrote:Once again a little late to the party. Wish there was some kind of NEW CHAPTER IS OUT!!! alarm instead of having to check that Google document every day. Oh well first impressions. This chapter felt shorter than unusual, not a bad thing but I noticed it. Considering the circumstances though, it's a miracle it even came out already. Once again this chapter was a 10/10 good job Somber. Mad props for your editors t-Huh...what? OH MAN WHATS THAT SOUND?

*~KHUUUUNT KHUUUUUNT!*

All aboard the the DEUS TANK!!!

Yea that part made me really happy. I am so glad that you decided to lengthen the fic. I foresee so many bad ass moments with Doof. Now usually introducing an indestructible tank into the story as a tool for the protagonists kind of ruins the suspense, but we are talking about Somber here so my only worry is about who is going to clean the bloody mess that DEUS TANK!!! will leave behind wherever it goes.

Well unless Somber trolls us all by making him guard Chapel or something. That'd be more disappointing than Mare Do well.

Out of the rest of the chapter I liked the scene with Triage and Grover making fun of BJ. Never get tired of that. I hope her thumbs come back though. They already saved her life half a dozen times. It'd be weird if BJ suddenly dies in the middle of the story just cause she could not pick up a gun with her steel reinforced hoof after she had her horn burnt out and the other three limbs eaten by a cyber ghoul dragon.

So EoS is Lavos. (Or Lilith's egg like someone mentioned above) Great. Just great. No wonder Goldie is trying to ram the whole damn moon into him.

Looks like Arloste's other souls memories are helping. She looks better. Even had a hearty laugh. Let's hope Lacunae will take it as well when the Goddess explodes tomorrow and she loses everything she is except for her soul which is stuck in BJ... yea....

Once again amazing chapter. Will eagerly await next chapter and DEUS TANK!!!'s first fight scene on the side of good. Let's hope villain decay won't Nerf him too badly.

Oh and for the love of god Somber, install speakers on him! As hilarious as it is to watch him communicate by swinging his guns around, it will be impractical if he sees something important and won't be able to tell it to the rest of the team.

Ah man that made my day.

by WavemasterRyx Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:06 am

Kippershy wrote:*Hugs Wavey*
Don't worry dude, he knows you have your issues and need to take your time, he understands. You shouldn't get yourself worked up over it, he appreciates that you do them at all most of all.
Trust me on that one, I would love to get comments later than never.

*hugs you back lightly*
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I'm sure he knows I try...
And I'm sorry I haven't gotten to reading your story yet...

OneMoreDaySK wrote:*hugs*
Like I said, I know you all are busy and I'm sorry that you've hit some bad days. I hope they get better soon though.

*hugs you lightly too*
I'm sorry... it's actually gotten considerably worse.

It took everything I had, but at least I managed to finish this... even if I had to gloss through a lot more than I had hoped...

Chapter 53 Commentary:

Thank you again, Somber, and to your editing team for all of your hard work. I really hope you have fun at Unicon, sir.

by Kippershy Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:49 am

@waves
Don't worry about my story, really.
before it could be close to worth reading I would have to rewrite the beginning to add more detail and charm to my character as it currently galls short in earlier chapters.
Project Horizons is much more worthy of your time. Hell, just doing anything fun or relacxing for you is better.

by Meleagridis Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:39 pm

Moodyman90 wrote:More as a precaution in case she ends up in that state again rather than she suspect something would happen to The Goddess, but with Psalm's memories inside Blackjack, she'll be able to bring Lacunae back. Or rather, she'll bring Psalm back and hopefully the memories that matter to keep her stable.

She's got the means, yes, and it's clear something has been going on between Psalm and Blackjack's brain... but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments. She is more reasonable than other Unifieds, but she also believes in their cause... and through Blackjack we've learned how much control The Goddess exerts over Lacunae. It's not like Goldenblood making the Gardens behind Luna's back- she couldn't just read his mind. The Goddess knows exactly what Lacunae has done, so it probably doesn't have anything to do with a backup plan in case of Unity failure.

Whether what she's done can be used as a backup plan in case of Unity failure... yet to be seen. I am very nervous for this reveal.

On an unrelated note, did I mention yet today how much I love this gif?

Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

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Valikdu wrote:...I just imagined the Pinkie swarm from Too Many Pinkie Pies, but made of little Deuses and chanting another word instead of 'fun'.

Too many Reapers!:

by Moodyman90 Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:26 pm

@Meleagridis

Sorry I don't think I made it clear that I don't think that Lacunae thinks or suspects something is going to happen to The Goddess, just she put Psalm's memories in Blackjack so Blackjack and restart her if the Goddess was to ever turn her off due to an Enversion scream spike hurting Unity as a whole.

My memory is rusty and I have to go back to read but I believe that happened back when they was in the College and Blackjack jumped into Lacunae's mind. She wanted Blackjack to have an easier time bringing her back if that happened again. The Goddess probably allowed it because it gives her a way to taunt Blackjack how Lacunae isn't as good as a friend since she's using her like that and also because she find it funny Blackjack has to go sort through just why she's having those dreams.

Other option is that Lacunae is doing to Blackjack what the Goddess does to her. Forcing all the feelings, emotions, and memories she doesn't want to dwell on.

by Guest Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:57 pm

@Wavey
Sorry to hear that you're fairing poorly. You've got all our best wishes, mate, and I hope things improve for you soon.

by Plasticube Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:53 pm

Meleagridis wrote:
Moodyman90 wrote:More as a precaution in case she ends up in that state again rather than she suspect something would happen to The Goddess, but with Psalm's memories inside Blackjack, she'll be able to bring Lacunae back. Or rather, she'll bring Psalm back and hopefully the memories that matter to keep her stable.
She's got the means, yes, and it's clear something has been going on between Psalm and Blackjack's brain... but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments. She is more reasonable than other Unifieds, but she also believes in their cause... and through Blackjack we've learned how much control The Goddess exerts over Lacunae. It's not like Goldenblood making the Gardens behind Luna's back- she couldn't just read his mind. The Goddess knows exactly what Lacunae has done, so it probably doesn't have anything to do with a backup plan in case of Unity failure.

Whether what she's done can be used as a backup plan in case of Unity failure... yet to be seen. I am very nervous for this reveal.

On an unrelated note, did I mention yet today how much I love this gif?

Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

Valikdu wrote:...I just imagined the Pinkie swarm from Too Many Pinkie Pies, but made of little Deuses and chanting another word instead of 'fun'.

................ok

Spoiler:

by Kippershy Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:00 pm

Plasticube wrote:
Meleagridis wrote:
Moodyman90 wrote:More as a precaution in case she ends up in that state again rather than she suspect something would happen to The Goddess, but with Psalm's memories inside Blackjack, she'll be able to bring Lacunae back. Or rather, she'll bring Psalm back and hopefully the memories that matter to keep her stable.
She's got the means, yes, and it's clear something has been going on between Psalm and Blackjack's brain... but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments. She is more reasonable than other Unifieds, but she also believes in their cause... and through Blackjack we've learned how much control The Goddess exerts over Lacunae. It's not like Goldenblood making the Gardens behind Luna's back- she couldn't just read his mind. The Goddess knows exactly what Lacunae has done, so it probably doesn't have anything to do with a backup plan in case of Unity failure.

Whether what she's done can be used as a backup plan in case of Unity failure... yet to be seen. I am very nervous for this reveal.

On an unrelated note, did I mention yet today how much I love this gif?

Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"

Valikdu wrote:...I just imagined the Pinkie swarm from Too Many Pinkie Pies, but made of little Deuses and chanting another word instead of 'fun'.

................ok

Spoiler:

...Did... did you do this?

This is.... I don't even have a way to explain how amazing it is.

by CannonFodder Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:21 pm

Plasticube wrote:

................ok

Spoiler:

You are my most favourite person ever.

by Vergil Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:07 pm

CannonFodder wrote:
Plasticube wrote:

................ok

Spoiler:

You are my most favourite person ever.

I have seen the end of days, and man is it noisy.

by **CamoBadger** Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:09 pm

Plasticube wrote:
................ok

Spoiler:

My life is now complete

by Moodyman90 Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:11 pm

Thus the way the world ends.

In a rain of shells and the cries of CUNT!

Edit: Damn it! Somebody already made that joke.

by Caoimhe Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:13 pm

Imagine a Deusboat falling on the face of Blackjack...forever.

by Vergil Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:21 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Imagine a Deusboat falling on the face of Blackjack...forever.

I KNOW WHAT SHE SAW THROUGH THAT CRYSTAL DOOR NOW

by Meleagridis Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:50 pm

Plasticube wrote:

Spoiler:

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I had a damn seizure. Thank god nobody was home.
Where's Plasticube's donate button?

...Is that a boat?

Moodyman90 wrote:@Meleagridis

Sorry I don't think I made it clear that I don't think that Lacunae thinks or suspects something is going to happen to The Goddess, just she put Psalm's memories in Blackjack so Blackjack and restart her if the Goddess was to ever turn her off due to an Enversion scream spike hurting Unity as a whole.
Other option is that Lacunae is doing to Blackjack what the Goddess does to her. Forcing all the feelings, emotions, and memories she doesn't want to dwell on.

I can't see the Goddess allowing something like that, even for fun. And she (The Goddess) knows all about it, so it would be a very poorly thought-out plan. As for the second option, it's something I've thought a little about... and I can't see it.
A) It would be too... 'convenient.' All of Blackjack's fear, angst, need to do better just come from a friend putting unwanted thoughts in her? I could see someone telling her this after Lacunae's reaction to the balefire explosion (whatever it may be), but only to distract or disrupt her. I can't see all of Blackjack's regretful emotions going up in smoke like that.
B) I also can't see Lacunae doing that. Her self-esteem is in ruins, if any still stands. She may be the only alicorn in Goddess time with some free will available to her, and she's probably the only one who would think she should continue to serve in silence and take all the shit she is fed. If anything, she would be taking Blackjack's misery if she could. Always helping. Or trying.

So I don't know. I have a big fat goose egg on theories here, even crazy ones. It's not alicornification and the Unitumour because she's guilty about betrayal, and she's already accepted that she'll have to dump everypony eventually (I think). It's not using Blackjack as a dump because she wouldn't do it. It isn't a backup because she has no need of one (she thinks). It has to have something to do with the dreams, but what do they mean?!

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