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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Meleagridis on Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:31 am

What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.
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Post by SilentCarto on Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:07 am

Meleagridis wrote:What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.
Remember that Rampage said she didn't black out much during her stint as a Reaper. It's been happening a lot more around BJ.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:53 am

I RETURN!

Mister Nikel wrote:Once again a little late to the party. Wish there was some kind of NEW CHAPTER IS OUT!!! alarm instead of having to check that Google document every day.
Beyond the Somber Signal, what do you suggest?

BrentOGara wrote:
CannonFodder wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:Aren't you forgetting the Descendant Protocol? Or are you assuming that it won't work?
I'm not saying that it won't work so much as the program had several fall backs in case the chain of command was all killed. It'd be kind of dumb to create a program that only a small number of ponies that can over time be fired or replaced on the list and then when the end comes nobody other than a relative can use it. After all what were the chances that a relative of the mane 6 would be stationed at the base? It would also make sense why the last destination for the program is a military base, cause they would have a acting commanding officer regardless so long as some of the ponies hadn't died yet.

I mean, the instant Smiling Jack/Reaper/Echo discovers that Celestia herself is inhabiting a (nigh-indestructable) Soul-Jar Crusader Maneframe, well, EC-1101's wandering days are over. There is no self-consistent argument that includes the idea that anyone other than Celestia is worthy of EC-1101 if Celestia is available, no matter her current form.

The whole reason SJ/R/E was attached to EC-1101 in the first place was to ensure it got to the highest ranking pony still alive... and Celestia is and was and forever will be the highest ranking pony.
... on the other hand, I am an unrepentant Celestia Fanbrony... so, I may be just the slightest bit biased.
Somber wrote:“You want to hold Luna’s corpse responsible?” I asked with a shaky, uncertain smile.  “Sure.  Go ahead.  Blame a pile of bones, if you want.”
“Not just Luna or Celestia,” he said in a low, dangerous voice.
It seems rather unlikely that Echo's reaction to Celestia being alive would be giving her EC-1101.

@WavemasterRyx:
I hope that things improve for you soon.
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Post by Cptadder on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:18 am

So much to catch up on, so much to read and a new episode today
O. Hinds wrote:
Beyond the Somber Signal, what do you suggest?
Some sky writing, flares or a few people who update their signatures with what the current latest chapter is and when it's been released.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Train Dodger on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:08 am

After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

Spoiler:
Basically, the track is split into three movements, with the first being Blackjack's arrival at Yellow River, the second her gruesome little discovery in the morgue there, and finally, of course, when she gets her shooty look on and butchers the Thunderhead pegasi.

I drew that bizarre title card with Blackjack standing under a tower
with four horn loudspeakers emanating barbed wire, lace, Stable 99 buck
marks, and rolls of tape, with the sun rising in the background.

At first, I thought I'd do some sort of monochrome outline like the POW/MIA
flag, but then decided to go for the "room full of crazy" look, like it was drawn with chalk by some kind of
psycho stalker out there in the wastes who's obsessed with Blackjack and
her exploits, and who'll do anything to dig up even the most trivial facts about Security and her posse, up to and including when and where they last had a bowel movement, and who would be willing to kill for a few strands of her mane or a fragment of a broken cybernetic implant to keep as trinkets.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ketchup on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:33 am

Train Dodger wrote:After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

Spoiler:
Basically, the track is split into three movements, with the first being Blackjack's arrival at Yellow River, the second her gruesome little discovery in the morgue there, and finally, of course, when she gets her shooty look on and butchers the Thunderhead pegasi.

I drew that bizarre title card with Blackjack standing under a tower
with four horn loudspeakers emanating barbed wire, lace, Stable 99 buck
marks, and rolls of tape, with the sun rising in the background.

At first, I thought I'd do some sort of monochrome outline like the POW/MIA
flag, but then decided to go for the "room full of crazy" look, like it was drawn with chalk by some kind of
psycho stalker out there in the wastes who's obsessed with Blackjack and
her exploits, and who'll do anything to dig up even the most trivial facts about Security and her posse, up to and including when and where they last had a bowel movement, and who would be willing to kill for a few strands of her mane or a fragment of a broken cybernetic implant to keep as trinkets.
Certainly interesting pieces. I expected them to be a bit more sad overall, but it's nice all the same.
Do the 40s represent the foals she killed?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Train Dodger on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 am

Ketchup wrote:Do the 40s represent the foals she killed?

Yes, and if you lean your head to the left, the rolls of tape turn into 666.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Meleagridis on Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:10 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
Meleagridis wrote:What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.
Remember that Rampage said she didn't black out much during her stint as a Reaper. It's been happening a lot more around BJ.

Hm. She may not have been Twist, but is there any possibility that Deus picked up on anything? Maybe he could have gotten a glimpse of her creepy-ass cutie mark and seen a hint of Twist's? You'd think that if Rampage ever let her guard down it would be in her quarters at the Arena. Or even something Deus picked up on without realizing it... or maybe I'm just reaching now.

SilentCarto wrote:
Meleagridis wrote:...but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments.
That is... not entirely accurate.

Hm. Do you think the Goddess would allow Lacunae to take precautions for her eventual demise? I had thought it would parallel Luna and winning the war, but Luna had several things that the Goddess simply shoved into Lacunae. Her (Luna's) crackdown on loss mitigation probably came from some self-doubt Trixie wouldn't tolerate.

But unlike Luna and the war, The Goddess would take such preparations personally. She hasn't shown any humility up to this point and making a failsafe would basically be an insult- insinuating the fallibility of a Goddess. Maybe she'd laugh it off- but I see her as more of a spiteful type. Probably sabotage the whole thing and meddle in Lacunae's mind like she did with Blackjack.

What if Lacunae doesn't even know what she did wrong?

(Or what if she knew she wouldn't know and made a plan based on not knowing what she knew and- nah, reaching again.)

Train Dodger wrote:After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

PH music!

Got a real 'creepy carnival' vibe to a lot of it. I love these instrumental pieces. And that drawing... yup, certified psycho. Neat idea.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by tylertoon2 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:28 pm

Train Dodger wrote:After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

Spoiler:
Basically, the track is split into three movements, with the first being Blackjack's arrival at Yellow River, the second her gruesome little discovery in the morgue there, and finally, of course, when she gets her shooty look on and butchers the Thunderhead pegasi.

I drew that bizarre title card with Blackjack standing under a tower
with four horn loudspeakers emanating barbed wire, lace, Stable 99 buck
marks, and rolls of tape, with the sun rising in the background.

At first, I thought I'd do some sort of monochrome outline like the POW/MIA
flag, but then decided to go for the "room full of crazy" look, like it was drawn with chalk by some kind of
psycho stalker out there in the wastes who's obsessed with Blackjack and
her exploits, and who'll do anything to dig up even the most trivial facts about Security and her posse, up to and including when and where they last had a bowel movement, and who would be willing to kill for a few strands of her mane or a fragment of a broken cybernetic implant to keep as trinkets.


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So uh...

Spoiler:
This new episode could REALLY make the whole discord thing ALOT more interesting. Barring it's made PH cannon.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Valikdu on Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:31 pm

Spoiler:
Well, there's no way that Discord would agree to being encased in starmetal and having his essence leeched out.
So, my handwave explanation is that, sometime before Littlehorn, he was affected by the events of the war (thousands of beings violently killing each other and stuff) and went on a chaos spree, and that got him stoned again.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:26 pm

Something I noticed,
It seems like the phrase that I most associate with Project Horizons seems to be "Shooty Look". Kinda similar to FO:E's "Pregnant Pause".
Anyone else think something like that, or am I just crazy?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:32 pm

Valikdu wrote:
Spoiler:
Well, there's no way that Discord would agree to being encased in starmetal and having his essence leeched out.
So, my handwave explanation is that, sometime before Littlehorn, he was affected by the events of the war (thousands of beings violently killing each other and stuff) and went on a chaos spree, and that got him stoned again.
...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Stringtheory on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:39 pm

O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
I agree, especially with fanfics that run on their own background, where integrating every new detail from the show could unsettle that foundation
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CannonFodder on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:46 pm

O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
I agree on this. Constantly changing a fanfic to keep it in line with canon is a bad idea.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:49 pm

Pick-and-choose canon is the best canon. I felt the recent episode felt like bad fanfiction anyway (and the writer actually is a fan with familial industry connections who wrote the outline for it when he was 15, seriously) so I have no problem pretending the events didn't happen with regards to PH.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ametros on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:00 pm

Regarding the episode:
Spoiler:

Celestia was open to 'harnessing' Discord - it would make sense that the proposed method of doing so would become more drastic as the war went on...
As for the end of the episode, it only fits canon if he were to 'relapse', as it were, and he gets deemed too dangerous.
Of course, there could simply be storyline divergence somewhere here, as with almost everything.

And like others have said, there's nothing wrong (and it's often best) to disregard canon - especially with a story that is so developed as a unique entity, and so far removed from the show anyway.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Stringtheory on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:13 pm

CannonFodder wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
I agree on this. Constantly changing a fanfic to keep it in line with canon is a bad idea.
prime example: Past Sins, at least in my opinion it's a pretty good fanfic (no matter what anyone else as to say about it), though it obviously runs on season 1 canon, AND THAT'S FINE
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:31 pm

Spoiler:

I know I just said canon doesn't matter but:

Celestia: But I have a use for Discord's magic if it can be reformed to do good instead of evil (paraphrased).

This can be considered something may be future FoE stuff. Perhaps down the line Celestia abused Discord's powers for the greater good of Equestria and he revolted and was turned to stone again. There could be some fun and sinister things written up about this that'd be neato.

Heck, someone might be able to explain Equestria's technological revolution based on Discord's power to create things from nothing and technology corrupting due to his inherit nature being chaos.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Stringtheory on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:36 pm

I'm all for putting this episode into the 'stuff we don't consider canon' bin for both FO:E and the general fandom (yes, that's how shitty I consider the lastest episode, but this is the wrong thread to talk about it)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:41 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Pick-and-choose canon is the best canon. I felt the
recent episode felt like bad fanfiction anyway (and the writer actually
is a fan with familial industry connections who wrote the outline for it
when he was 15, seriously) so I have no problem pretending the events didn't happen with regards to PH.

Yeah, that's pretty much how it felt to me, too. Though at least the ponies not in focus weren't made to look like giant pricks, as has often been the case this season and last (and sometimes the ponies in focus). The premise could conceivably have worked, but it needs more setup to make sense, at the very least.


O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

I feel exactly the same way. In fact, I'll restate my feelings from a prior iteration of this discussion:

Icy Shake wrote:I'm not trying to say that no canon following some particular
cutoff, say, the release date of the afterward [of Fallout: Equestria in January 2012] at the latest, should be
integrated. Rather, my point is that that it's probably better to
consciously select what aspects are compatible and can be used to make
the story better, what works fine in the context of established FOE canon
but doesn't really do much to enable worthwhile additions, and what
parts do not work, or require overlarge contortions to make work, with Fallout: Equestria's (expanded) universe.

Spoiler:
I expect that this episode fits in the latter category: among other issues, how can a resource shortage develop when you have a tame Discord? So the change back would have to predate the war by a significant margin. What's more, adding this to history along with the necessary betrayal would probably change Fluttershy's giving the megaspell framework to the Zebras from a dubiously-innocent act to one of clear, willful negligence--even evil. She loses the excuse that she couldn't foresee a betrayal by extending trust to an enemy along with great power.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:04 pm

Meleagridis wrote:Hm. Do you think the Goddess would allow Lacunae to take precautions for her eventual demise? I had thought it would parallel Luna and winning the war, but Luna had several things that the Goddess simply shoved into Lacunae. Her (Luna's) crackdown on loss mitigation probably came from some self-doubt Trixie wouldn't tolerate.
Well... if Lac did think, "The Goddess needs to go down", and the Goddess didn't like it... what's she going to do? The whole point of Lacunae is to contain the thoughts the Goddess doesn't want. I'd bet that there are many in the Unity, even Trixie herself, who realize what terrible things they're doing. And that awareness gets shoved into Lac. If she wants to act on that, it's her own business.

O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:16 pm

Icy Shake wrote:Yeah, that's pretty much how it felt to me, too. Though at least the ponies not in focus weren't made to look like giant pricks, as has often been the case this season and last (and sometimes the ponies in focus). The premise could conceivably have worked, but it needs more setup to make sense, at the very least.
Yeah... I didn't have any specific beefs with the ep, but it desperately needed another 20 minutes to...
Spoiler:
...set up the situation, give Discord time to stop doing chaos for the lulz and start enjoying having a friend, let him realize what he lost when he betrayed Shy's trust, and apologize and get forgiven. I'd have loved to have seen Discord in an introspective moment, and Shy trying to deal with that while keeping the others from running off to stone him immediately.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:36 pm

Ermigersh! I just realized something (Episode Spoiler):

Reform spells are canon. Y'know, things that MoP and MoM probably were using?
@SilentCarto Yeah I wished they had more time. Again such is the tragedy of trying to condense such an intriguing story concept into a single 22-minute episode.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:49 am

OneMoreDaySK wrote:
Ermigersh! I just realized something (Episode Spoiler):

Reform spells are canon. Y'know, things that MoP and MoM probably were using?
@SilentCarto Yeah I wished they had more time. Again such is the tragedy of trying to condense such an intriguing story concept into a single 22-minute episode.

Spoiler:
I was in a bit of a hurry before, and obviously left many problems I had out of my post. But this is one I hadn't thought of at the time: why was the reform spell Plan B? And, on a side note, how would knowing that heavy-duty mind-altering spells for use on criminals are common and readily accessible in (presumably) any public library in Equestria change how you feel about the country? If, of course, you don't go with the pretend this never happened, even in the context of the show solution that I am sorely tempted to roll with.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by tylertoon2 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:14 am

I'm sorry I just like to speculate with the new cannon alright? I didn't mean that somber had to change something, Or anything like that.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CannonFodder on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:37 am

Icy Shake wrote:
Spoiler:
I was in a bit of a hurry before, and obviously left many problems I had out of my post. But this is one I hadn't thought of at the time: why was the reform spell Plan B? And, on a side note, how would knowing that heavy-duty mind-altering spells for use on criminals are common and readily accessible in (presumably) any public library in Equestria change how you feel about the country? If, of course, you don't go with the pretend this never happened, even in the context of the show solution that I am sorely tempted to roll with.
Or it could drain all the evil out of a pony? Like hypothetically if you drained the urge and the high murderers get when killing someone then psychologically reforming them into a normal person is a breeze. Imagine if you could just go into a prison and drain any and all illegal urges or highs criminals get from committing a crime?

If such a thing was in real life we would abuse it to death.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:02 am

Methinks the reform spell requires high level unicorns to perform, so even if you knew how to do it, you wouldn't have the mana pool to cast it.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:10 am

Kippershy wrote:Don't worry about my story, really.
before it could be close to worth reading I would have to rewrite the beginning to add more detail and charm to my character as it currently galls short in earlier chapters.
Project Horizons is much more worthy of your time. Hell, just doing anything fun or relacxing for you is better.
Of course I'm worried about it, Kipper, you know me...
Yeah... I still need to work on the fun and relaxing thing a little.

Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:Sorry to hear that you're fairing poorly. You've got all our best wishes, mate, and I hope things improve for you soon.
Thank you, OAC, I really do appreciate it, and I hope so too.

Somber wrote:::Sends Ryx a personal note and hug.::
Well, I sent a slightly more timely response in PM, but I'll say it here too, thank you Somber. *hugs you back gently*

O. Hinds wrote:I hope that things improve for you soon.
O. Hinds wrote:...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.
Thank you, sir. And I definitely agree, it was an interesting episode, and that's all it needs to be. As with everything that's happened with the second and third seasons of the show, I don't see any reason why Somber should have to worry about it unless he actually wants to use something, such as what he's done with Cadence.
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Post by Kippershy on Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:36 am

If only I coulkd trust you not to take me seriously, I would threaten to slap you silly.
instead, I hope you find a way to just relax and enjoy yourself. You definitely deserve to.
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Post by SilentCarto on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:29 pm

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Spoiler:
I was in a bit of a hurry before, and obviously left many problems I had out of my post. But this is one I hadn't thought of at the time: why was the reform spell Plan B? And, on a side note, how would knowing that heavy-duty mind-altering spells for use on criminals are common and readily accessible in (presumably) any public library in Equestria change how you feel about the country? If, of course, you don't go with the pretend this never happened, even in the context of the show solution that I am sorely tempted to roll with.
I doubt that a "reform spell" would actually mind-control the subject into changing their ways. It might just be like a Jiminy Cricket sitting on your shoulder, giving you a poke when you contemplate taking certain actions. Also, I think we've established that Twilight's library is anything but average -- I have this feeling that Celestia stocked it with books of useful magic and lore well before the Summer Sun Celebration, and that's not even mentioning the hidden compartment from TMPP.

Unrelated Tangent:
You know, as of Family Appreciation Day, we discovered that Ponyville is way younger than I'd ever expected. It's less than 80 years old, when you get right down to it. So either the first librarian of Ponyville hollowed out a preexisting Everfree tree, or they had a unicorn who specialized in plant magic that encouraged the tree to grow that big and form the desired architecture.
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