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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by RoboRed Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:45 am
Oh holy fuck, I am about one second away from just posting everything and not caring. I have no clue why the massive wraparound spoiler for the whole thing isn't working.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by RoboRed Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:48 am
FINALLY.
And now, onwards to replies...I did put some constructive stuff in here, and took heavy advantage of spoiler tags to at least make it readable and not a mess of text.
Dear god, I wish I had actual, constructive stuff ready all the time to add like some of you guys.
And now, onwards to replies...I did put some constructive stuff in here, and took heavy advantage of spoiler tags to at least make it readable and not a mess of text.
- Warning: Contents under extreme pressure!:
That works fairly well as far as I'm concerned, except for the loud bits.Vergil wrote:- Spoiler:
- I forgot to share this last night, but I feel compelled to do so now.
I'm a music nerd, but for whatever reason I don't typically listen to music while I read. I had a lot of background noise in my apartment last night though, so I broke with tradition.
When Blackjack went to examine herself in the mirror, my library on random came up with "False King" by Two Steps from hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gkBmgpAb9U
Considering I agree that this is the basis of BJ's final form, that gave me chills.
*sigh* I didn't really listen to that much music this time around.
Okay...THAT sounds awesome.Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:- Spoiler:
OKay so listening to that track I envisioned the scene then broke it into a trailer- Spoiler:
- the soft gentle portion, you see her totally destroyed, one functioning limb and chaotic havoc in the Fluttershy Memorial Hospital, ponies in critical condition. then her operation, as the music escalates to around one minute, at about 56 seconds she is approaching the mirror, you still have not seen he augmentations, it only closes in on her face as she examines her self, then the music becomes epic and it pans around her body in small portions showing her new legs, the chest the the back and it cuts to parts of her doing combat or other epic things, being blackjack. her standing in front of the tank all that. as the music quiets it pans out from her reflection you see her face and fear, and glory approaching, this you see her in her full augmented glory in front of the mirror and as the soft music plays you see her cuddling boo.
Yeah, I had "Another Version of the Truth" in the songlist for when Blackjack first died.Harmony Ltd. wrote:On a general basis, I feel that Nine Inch Nails tend to really fit with PH. What with the angst and all that...
Plus, there's always that feel of desolation / "end of the world" with Trent Reznor's song. A very personal kind of end of the world.
https://youtu.be/lMW5x3GAx-w?t=1m45s
I wonder if Boo even gets any sexual urges...stringtheory wrote:- Spoiler:
- Harmony Ltd. wrote:tylertoon2 wrote:As for
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- Glory's Question to Blackjack about Boo. I think the fact this just goes to show how messed up she is in general and suggests some paranoia in her Especially after Blackjack cheated on her and the apparent Betrayal of her mother. She just can't trust anymore or feel she can't anyway. At least that's how I see it.
- Spoiler:
- Indeed. How messed-up would you have to be to seriously think about the possibility of engaging in a threesome with what basically amount to the Family Dog ?
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- well, I consider Boo to be more like lobotomized, then like a dog, considering she still is a pony, a soulless shell of pony, but still a pony, and Blackjack does have weird taste, in well...everything
In order:Moodyman90 wrote:- Spoiler:
- Throwing out some predictions.
If the story ends with Blackjack's body being thrashed to the point no cybernetics or magic could keep her alive or in a state she'd want to live in, Boo will step up to become Blackjack's new body. Soul transfer or something along those lines.
As for Lacunae, I'm predicting the death of Trixie will put her into a coma like state, kinda like how she was after the trip underground when Glory lost her wing and all. Chances are she started putting Psalm into Blackjack after that since that's who she use to be before she was absorbed into Unity.
More as a precaution in case she ends up in that state again rather than she suspect something would happen to The Goddess, but with Psalm's memories inside Blackjack, she'll be able to bring Lacunae back. Or rather, she'll bring Psalm back and hopefully the memories that matter to keep her stable.
Blackjack, being Blackjack, is most likely gonna suffer some kind of horrible mental backlash when Trixie dies. Other then regaining the memories the Goddess took, she's probably gonna have her mind slammed with psychic waves of all the other members of Unity as well.
And it's probably gonna happen in the middle of a huge fight, which will put her and Lacunae out of said fight for a long while.
Once again, just my predictions.
I'm really inclined to believe that Blackjack is going to end up dying for good, though. Just a feeling.
Yeah, same.
Same.
Same.
Ehh...didn't think of it happening like that, but given the average sting of luck, it sounds VERY likely.
Fucking...funny...*passes out from laughter*Caoimhe wrote:Deus should be transferred out of the tank and into a spritebot, so he could follow the party around shouting "HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT! HEY! LISTEN! CUNT!"
I like that. I really do.Vergil wrote:
I know this isn't the art thread, but is this more agreeable for you? It is for me!- Spoiler:
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That's amazing.Plasticube wrote:
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Not bad.Train Dodger wrote:After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.- Spoiler:
- Spoiler:
- Basically, the track is split into three movements, with the first being Blackjack's arrival at Yellow River, the second her gruesome little discovery in the morgue there, and finally, of course, when she gets her shooty look on and butchers the Thunderhead pegasi.
I drew that bizarre title card with Blackjack standing under a tower
with four horn loudspeakers emanating barbed wire, lace, Stable 99 buck
marks, and rolls of tape, with the sun rising in the background.
At first, I thought I'd do some sort of monochrome outline like the POW/MIA
flag, but then decided to go for the "room full of crazy" look, like it was drawn with chalk by some kind of
psycho stalker out there in the wastes who's obsessed with Blackjack and
her exploits, and who'll do anything to dig up even the most trivial facts about Security and her posse, up to and including when and where they last had a bowel movement, and who would be willing to kill for a few strands of her mane or a fragment of a broken cybernetic implant to keep as trinkets.
What Hinds said. It's far easier to throw on the “Alternate Universe” tag, rather than try to work everything in. (though the latter option can be fun, and Valikdu does have a valid suggestion)O. Hinds wrote:
...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.Valikdu wrote:- Spoiler:
- Well, there's no way that Discord would agree to being encased in starmetal and having his essence leeched out.
So, my handwave explanation is that, sometime before Littlehorn, he was affected by the events of the war (thousands of beings violently killing each other and stuff) and went on a chaos spree, and that got him stoned again.
It could have been an oversight on the writers' part in regards to keeping canon. Or maybe we could infer that something happened to Ponyville during those few hundred years. I know I've already read one fic that's dealt with it in that manner.Luminous Lead wrote:- Spoiler:
- SilentCarto wrote:
I don't understand what interpretation of events would make Granny over 100 years old.
Ponyville was founded because of the trade generated by the zap apple jam that Smith and her family were making.
And then if we remember back what our resident history/knowledge/magic buff said back in Winter Wrap UpTwilight Sparkle wrote:Ponyville was started by Earth Ponies, so for hundreds of years they've never used magic to clean up winter.
So, unless her knowledge is horribly wrong (and given her enthusiasm about the season and OCD tendencies I doubt she'd slack off studying) or the Apple Family are time travelers, there's no way Smith can be anything less than "hundreds of years" old.
That's...pretty damn good...Plasticube wrote:
So here is my current headcanon on this:- Spoiler:
- One day Celestia visits discord in his palace in the mountains where he is allowed to do whatever he wants, all guests visit him because why go to places where ponies won't let him break the laws of physics. She asks him to light a fire for her like any flame this one would spread, be chaotic and unpredictable but it would never stop burning. Thinking this a small matter he agrees creates this chaos flame and shoos Celestia away.
Celestia hand the chaos flame to Twilight, who manages to contain and control it and from this designs the basic power generator, engine.....etc.
The results are promising so Celestia takes and shares it with all the nations to make the world a better place. The technology improves at a rapid pace, a worldwide industrial revolution begins.
All is well until one day for the first time in decades discord leaves his palace for whatever reason and sees his flame, contained and controlled, powering the factories, assembly lines and public transportation of the world. Feeling angry and betrayed, with a wave of his paw he extinguishes all the chaos flames world wide then vanishes into thin air.
Panic sets in the nations of the world gather, Twilight comes up with a solution, coal which at the time is found everywhere is used a a stopgap measure until they can find and reason with Discord (wood doesn't burn hot enough, charcoal cannot be produced in the quantities needed....) and all is well again.
As the years drag on and coal sources around the world dwindle trade agreements are signed for the remaining coal sources. A coalition is formed to find, Discord all nations make a contribution, ponies with their magic, griffons share their firearms, zebras bring their shamanism.....and the black book.
One day an equestrian search team finds him, Celestia herself teleports in to attempt to reason with him. Discord takes one look at the assembled ponies and gives a dire warning about the future, he knows that if he gives them back the endless flame then the majority of the world will be condemned to live in their small boring apartments, do the same boring jobs day after day, to pay for their long boring lives.
The only option Discord offers is to give up the technology he helped create, telling Celestia she might need to 'break a few eggs' he begins to disappear again. But this time the ponies are ready, the aura of the black book protects the ponies in the group from Discords influence, magically accelerated, high velocity, necromancy enhanced, starmetal bullets phase through anything he can conjure up and slam into Discord, ripping off chunks of his soul. Badly injured it only takes a weak spell from a unicorn in the group to turn Discord into stone.
Discord is brought to a hidden location, his capture is kept as a secret by Celestia until he agrees to relight the fires because the on going effort to find Discord is one of the main reason the Zebras are sharing their coal. She considers bringing in the Mane 6 to help reform him again but just as she is writing the letters a raid by the Wonderbolts to rescue hostages held by zebra gem pirates in zebra territory goes wrong.
Celestia had thought that after many years of cooperation that the Zebras would be fine with her 'helping out with a small matter', she thought wrong. The war begins.
As pony losses mount only Twilight now the head mare of the Ministry of Magic is brought before Discord, they have a long discussion blaming each other for the state of the world, concluding with 'nothing personal, just business' Twilight begins extracting compounds from discord.
Twilight tells nopony and after so many years most don't bother. The only time she considers is during the rare few times in her busy schedule when she visits Fluttershy who laments the misuse of 'Discords gift'.
The bombs fall, everypony dies.
what do you think?
Yeah...I've gotten show and fic canon mixed up before as well. Sometime's it's even happened between two completely different series. Derp.SilentCarto wrote:- Spoiler:
- Ever have one of those moments where you forget FOE and/or PH are fanfic? I finished the last Wheel of Time book today, and I just found myself thinking, "Which character was it whose unofficial motto was 'Do better'? Was that Perrin? Rand?
--oh. Right. Blackjack."
I figured that he remained in statue form in Canterlot, and met a crumbly end with it when the Enclave bombarded the place to kingdom come.Meleagridis wrote:- Spoiler:
- HOY.
Prior to his reveal in PH, what was everyone's Discord headcanon? What did you figure happened to the stoned embodiment of chaos?
Based off the context I've usually heard it used in, I've always thought of it as a thick kind of blood. Possibly cold. It's a life fluid of some sort.Luminous Lead wrote:- Spoiler:
I always think of ichor as being zombie blood, but I figured Discord was involved after that Choir chapter. I didn't really think about him before that though.
You know, despite the upgrades, she's still a pretty-looking mare in this drawing.Kippershy wrote:- Spoiler:
- Mech just did a new picture
I know I should let him be the one to come here and post it, but SQUEEEE.![[GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion - Page 18 Tumblr_mh5za5hCkO1qkdrvbo1_500](https://2img.net/h/25.media.tumblr.com/b2994d7c59199d3f79f292d35cb6fba3/tumblr_mh5za5hCkO1qkdrvbo1_500.jpg)
Although, that could partially be because he forgot to make her eyes mechanical, but I give no fucks. I like them this way.
Cool tattoo, Kip.Kippershy wrote:- Spoiler:
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Oh my dawww...WavemasterRyx wrote:- Spoiler:
And speaking of finally getting things done...- Spoiler:
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I like this idea.swicked wrote:- Spoiler:
- As much humor as I wish was in the story (and thus write these little extra scenes for myself) I also often wish for more ones of beauty. I'd love for her to see another concert by the crusaders, watching Octavia sing in the hooves of the kids as opposed to being used as a shield and club, and be able to imagine her happy as the many fillies and colts admired her. For her to sit back and look at Glory, really thinking about how much she means to her and how beautiful she is to her. Another moment between P-21 and Scotch where they are just so happy to have found each other, or of just P-21 being proud of her, like that short story I made of Sekashi having the chance to see her daughter tell a story, in following in her footsteps.
There are many touching moments that I'd more think of as being calms. Stuff like glory and boo sleeping cuddled with Blackjack. A chance to rest. There are touching moments where one or another character gets to tell Blackjack what she means to them and the like.
What I'm talking about is more like a moment of clarity where Blackjack suddenly, for a single moment, just stops and appreciates something for its own sake. Not simply life being good or happy, but life being infinitely worth it, because no amount of bad experiences could take away this single moment in time where everything, in one small part of this messed up world, was right.
Edit:
I realize we can't have her stopping and getting excited about how glorious something is every chapter or anything. This isn't Dr. Who, where the main character suddenly stops and starts loudly gushing (because we can't hear his thoughts) about how glorious something (often humanity) is every episode, but yeah...
Somber likely has these moments properly spaced as it is, and any more often would be distracting. I just appreciate them a lot.
SCIENCE!!stringtheory wrote:- Spoiler:
actually, yes you canHarmony Ltd. wrote:Can you do that ? Can you explode twice ?!
I have my emergency supply of popcorn, booze, and lawn chairs ready for the shitstorm when the finale airs.CannonFodder wrote:- Spoiler:
"And here is Cannon with the weather forecast"Mister Nikel wrote:And so FoE canon was annihilated. Remember this day lads. Alright and now back to /mlp/ watching the shitstorm of the century.
Thanks newsreporter. I'm on the beach where shitstorm twilicorngate is beginning to make landfall. As you can see the superstorm completely blankets the sky and it just now making it's way to the coast. Bronies are advised to take a chill pill and wait until the actual episode airs. If the next 24 hours we expect the fandom to be completely engulfed in the drama. If you see any art in your deviantart inbox on the subject don't look at the comments. We are also advising people to hide "twilicorngate" and "alicorn drama" until the episode airs on your derpibooru account. You can already see the waves of people ragequitting the fandom washing ashore now and making complaints about the show "pandering" to bronies as well as the generic "this fandom has changed we used to be about love and tolerance" posts. We advice you to not walk directly in the path of these oncoming waves otherwise be swept up in droves of angry white knighters defending the drama whore. Be advice that when the superstorm is done there is also the danger of the riptide effect of ". . . So guys. . I didn't leave the fandom after all".
Also be advised that having any sort of logical or reasonable opinion to not voice it until the episode airs or be washed up in the drama. While it is okay to dislike the idea of twilight becoming a alicorn for fear of her becoming a walking deus ex machina or such you will be washed away in the waves of drama of people being unreasonable if you aren't careful.
"Thanks Cannon, here's Chet with sports"
Yeah, that's pretty much what happens. All Somber has to do is post, and he gets a brohoof.jacky2734 wrote:Aaand on a completely unrelated topic:
I happened to glance at Somber's Brohoof count, and I do believe that he has the highest Brohoof count on the entire forum. Does everybody just immediately brohoof him whenever he makes a post?
Also, hate to ask but, can we have an update on the next chapter? I just got back into the story and I'm hoping to get another chapter while the fire is still burning at it's hottest.
Because we all love him that much.
OHGAWDMOREDAWWWWavemasterRyx wrote:- Spoiler:
Also, I bring a few links:- Spoiler:
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[health warning] http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/41695045079
and http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/41922236200
FFFF...that song...it already made me cry once before in another fic...the feels...Kippershy wrote:My personal headcanon is that this is going to be the ending song for PH
If Somber does that and everything ends up that way, that'll seal the deal as far as my tear ducts are concerned...
It's not heavy metal, but this came to mind:WavemasterRyx wrote:- Spoiler:
- I could see that as working, yeah. Unless PH has a surprisingly happy ending, in which case it needs a heavy metal ending theme.
Yeah, I'm kind of along with this idea. I still feel like it's VERY likely that Blackjack's going to meet an end somehow or another by the end of the story. IT may be a grand heroic death, it might be a sad loss in battle, maybe she'll fade away or be her own end in an epilogue or something...tylertoon2 wrote:- Spoiler:
- Retl wrote:CannonFodder wrote:
I'm not saying that I expect her to be forced to retire or anything. I just think at the end of the story blackjack and company are going to kill the tokomare and kill cognitum. Once they're dead who else would have the resources to go after her?Luminous Lead wrote:As for Blackjack retiring peacefully... You can't built a character to be an unstoppable killing machine, fill it with neuroses, and then just put her in the closet when you run out of things to wave her at. The extreme mental abuse she's gone through so far neccessitates her growing more unstable and dangerous over time. The psyche ward stabilized things a bit, and her friends are certainly helping, but as long as she keeps wielding a sword with a direct connection to Tokomare she's going to be walking the path to a dark ending and she'll need to be put down. If they can destroy the EOS there'll be a chance she can recover, but otherwise her chances are circling the drain and eventually she'll end up getting sucked down for the final time.
Possibly all of the same friends who helped put her back together again. Perhaps if they destroying Cognitum's current residence, Blackjack's level of technological augmentation would make her a suitable home for her own enemy. Could be a multi-phase boss style videogamey switch-over where all of Blackjack's closest friends promptly fall to her own hooves, and the ones we haven't seen for a while come back to put the maiden in her place.
That would be an amazing alternate ending.
But it would feel like a massive disappointment and downer at the end of all this.
I do agree that blackjack will never find peace with herself.
I think in my head that she, Glory and a few others will keep wandering the wastes looking for baddies to put down and help she can give to good ponies. That or she settles down with Glory but once she passes on and BJ is left alone she would probably do just that. Ends up being IM buddies with Lilpip and Celestia.
Eventually, she is known only in myth as the Security Mare, a celebrity in the wastes, occasionally showing up in towns to stock up and goes back out again. And tales will be told by NCR rangers of entire tribes of raiders found slaughtered, with only the number 99 found written there, cases and cases of whiskey being stolen, but paid for in various useful items left there and a short note saying thanks, piles of toys and books found left at the homes of children at hearths warming eve, and rarely short stories of when hoofington was an uglier place, tales of a security mare who sacrificed all she could and wasn't enough, and the loyal friends she met that help her, and evil monsters and ponies that roamed the land that were put down and sometimes fixed.
Sometimes those short stories would be told around the campfires of travelers, by a certain white mare, half drunk on whiskey, reminiscing on the best bad times of her life.
I don't know, that just popped into my head and I like it.
Awww...you made me have warm fuzzies...CannonFodder wrote:- Spoiler:
- For the topic of lacunae there's the issue of who she'll be when the goddess dies. Will Psalm's soul go back into lacunae's body or will she just stop functioning? If Lacunae still exists when the goddess dies she'll have to come to terms that she is a real pony.
Same with rampage, she's going to have to come to terms with the fact she is a real pony. Her story is beginning to wrap up a bit. That's why Blackjack is giving her the memory orbs so she can find out who she is.
I don't think the ending is going to be everyone getting what they want so much as finding happiness.
P-21 didn't want a daughter, but he found happiness in becoming scotch's father. Psychoshy didn't want a boyfriend to sweep her off her feet, but she found stygius. Scotch tape's mom is still dead, but she found happiness with finding out who her dad is and being loved.
Sometimes happiness isn't getting what you wanted, sometimes happiness is found with love from others.
Angel(the killer inside rampage) kills because she thinks she's giving what she thinks everyone wants the "gift" of feeling no more pain. But the truth is life has pain and hurt in it, people may want this and that to escape the pain. Lacunae/psalm wants forgiveness, rampage wants to die, P-21 wanted med-x, BUT sometimes you just have to endure the pain and often times you don't get what you want, but that doesn't mean they can't find happiness.
. . .I think I'm getting a bit too philosophical.
I wanna know where Wafflesmart and Randomblank have been.stringtheory wrote:- Spoiler:
yeah, whatever happened to those two? eh, life happens I guessOverlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:@Derpmind
Man, I know I'm not alone in missing some of the old hands. Random and Sindri come to mind for two. Glad you still check and talk every now and again, though! :)
I've pretty much always thought something like this. I've felt her CM signifies her being able to beat the odds, but just barely. And by just barely, I mean she gets severely fucked up every time.Harmony Ltd. wrote:- Spoiler:
- Given her cutie marks represent a game of chance and gamble, maybe that means that getting away with gambits through sheer luck is her special talent ?
That's...awesome...WavemasterRyx wrote:- Spoiler:
And I'm sorry...- Spoiler:
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OneMoreDaySK wrote:- Spoiler:
- E1101 is going to be the key to a giant mech that Blackjack interfaces with after getting some more mech augmentations to fight Cogitum and the EoS. /sleepyrant
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Sadly, I have no clue. I don't read that much into it, but I just think he comes and goes as he pleases.swicked wrote:- Spoiler:
- I really need to poll you guys about something.
Do any of you have ANY theories about what causes The Dealer to show up?
Particularly what caused him to show up for Scotch when he had no intention of speaking to her?
Sad Boo is sad. She needs hugs.WavemasterRyx wrote:- Spoiler:
- Welcome back, Sindri!
Also, not entirely relevant to the flux discussion, but have some Boo.
http://boo-project-horizons.tumblr.com/post/42834722416
Dat gun.Train Dodger wrote:- Spoiler:
- I thought Trottenheimer's Folly deserved a musical theme of its own, so... I made one.
Pretty classy, indeed.Sindri wrote:Also Rainbow Dash looks classy as fuck in a pointy feathered cap.
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I'm just gonna guess that somepony must've stumbled upon a uranium mine at some point. Thus, radiation suits.Harmony Ltd. wrote:- Spoiler:
- Yeah, that I know, but I just wonder what source of radiations they would have feared outside of weaponized megaspells, considering they don't have an equivalent to nuclear power for civilian uses as far as I know.
Would they have been fearing nuclear weapons even by the time of FiM ?
Yeah, pretty much this.Sindri wrote:- Spoiler:
- As for the radiation suits and chems, I figure that cartoon-era Equestria had sufficient tech (what with the skyscrapers and all) that they had some experience with harmful magical emissions from experimental or exotic devices.
Yay.Somber wrote:Hi... sorry I've been quiet for so long...
Anyway, hope the chapter is okay.
Oh. And this is something I've been doing with the amazing Pantzar...
http://requiem-pony.tumblr.com/
I second this art request.Sindri wrote:Requesting fanart of Rampage as a surly teenager.
And it wasn't Big Macintosh's decision to retire with Twilight that broke the pact and doomed the Marauders. It was Psalm's bullet, her decision to go it alone and try to save the country instead of trusting in her leader and her squad to get the Princess back.
And I competely forgot about that bit with the pact.
Not here, either. Unfortunately.O. Hinds wrote:
Not at my institution either.Sindri wrote:
No time off for Washington's birthday?
Sadly, that was one worried thought that entered my mind. It's messing with what is already known as far as history goes and the original FoE is concerned. And I was wondering how many readers would be up in arms. Personally, though, I don't care that much.Somber wrote:Thanks very much for the comments. I was very nervous about the Psalm dream and had concerns it would be one more instance of PH being 'revisionist sue fic'. That's the last thing I wanted.
And I swear, one day I'm going to get a story comment up in time for you to read it. I swear.
Say...didn't they find a sniper rifle for Lacunae at one point a while back?...DownloadedSkill wrote:Pslam named her gun after a religious term. Five
dollars says BJ finds it and places significant value in it, both for the name
and for the person sharing her head.
Holy shit I completely forgot about that.Quotidian wrote:"You were unable to slay my treacherous mate..." Sekashi, then?
Nope. Sonofabitch needs to die. Yesterday.Kippershy wrote:So, question. A stupid question, but a question all the same.- Spoiler:
- Was I the only one who hated the legate?
Oh christ, you just reminded me of Sanguine.CamoBadger wrote:I'm just going with him being Alex Mercer. That way if he does anything more ridiculous I won't be surprised at all. As far as I'm concerned, he's only served as the Big Bad for the story now, and I like him a hell of a lot more than Sanguine.
Somber, of the love of god, and all that is holy, PLEASE do not find a way to make me feel sympathy for the Legate.
Yeah, that thought's been floating around my head a little.chinman wrote:Somepony with a flying machine eh? Funny you should mention Ditzy at this particularly point, especially considering how close the timeing is to the big events of FoE Chapter 38 and my own crazy fan theory. *cough*LacunaewillbethealicornthatrescuesPipfromMaripony!*cough*
Project Horizons activates, the moon falls, but somehow it falls on him, killing him, and inexplicably ending any ensuing catastrophe.chinman wrote:jacky2734 wrote:Alright everybody. It's time to play a new game. It's called "How to kill the nigh invulnerable, element wielding, rune empowered Zebra"
Would a Balefire Megaspell be considered overkill for him?
Guy like that, theres only one thing to do.
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Oh maybe he gets perma-dead by Core laser zappage.
Dear god, I wish I had actual, constructive stuff ready all the time to add like some of you guys.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Moodyman90 Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:51 am
But Robo, I loved the original version. It was so broken for me that your signature was pushed over to the side of the screen and your name and avi was where your signature was suppose to be haha.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Cptadder Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:00 am
Still need to read page 17 and 18, tomorrow over breakfast I think. Skimmed them enough to see this and had to post the rest of my thoughts.
Yeah, from me your going to get it. PH is 'revisionist sue fic' because of the complete 180 of the scene. You want to tell a story? Fine and dandy, want to tell one within the FoE -verse that's created over one hundred subfanfics and you own the longest running and most wordy of the bunch fine. Take something as central to FoE as Shattered Hoof and totally turn things on its head and yes expect gripes. Expect six pages of gripes, expect well researched and possibly even insightful ten page long dissertations on the themes of FoE and how they are present in Project Horizon.
And how the re-write of Shattered Hoof breaks with the key ideal of FoE. That of how pastel colored ponies who know only peace, love and friendship can in twenty years go from those higher ideals to ending the world. Shattered Hoof is one of the defining steps on that path. That hoof was placed on the path way back when the old Cesar died and relationships deteriorated between Equestria and the next Cesar. Then the hostage situation, then the war, the long drawn out conflict then the two major turning points... Littlehorn and Shattered Hoof.
Somber your handling of Littehorn I find perfectly acceptable, there was a school... there were refugees and the schools defenses opened up on the refugees and the pink cloud bomb was used forever branding that horrible alchemical weapon of mass destruction the Littlehorn agent. Your handling of it was fine and despite the fact that Pslam and Goldenblood were both there such things can be accepted even expected.
But a few years later after that first great turning point from war over resources to war because they hate us the second big turning point occurs. That being Shattered Hoof and the death of Big Mac and subsequent painting of every single Zebra as akin to the devil. Why do Zebras only lie? Because the Ministry of Image and Moral says so... they tried to kill Celestia the living embodiment of the sun, joy, happiness and the good things in this world and some Zebra tried to shoot her. What else won't they try? Better be good little foal or wicked Zebras will come to steal you away... you know they tried to kill the Princess don't you?
Back in comment threads Kkatt directly described the death of Big Mac as a JFK moment. The long drawn out procession, the surprise gunshot and then the panic and terror. Except in this world Big Mac took the bullet meant for Celestia and died instantly. No long drawn out combat, no surprise twist, nothing. Not to say there is no room for a pony to take that shot but there's a far difference between a pony assassin and a sudden pitched battle.
I've got even more to say but, I have work in the morning and two more pages to read of comments. Most likely three by then.
Somber wrote:Thanks very much for the comments. I was very nervous about the Psalm dream and had concerns it would be one more instance of PH being 'revisionist sue fic'. That's the last thing I wanted.
Yeah, from me your going to get it. PH is 'revisionist sue fic' because of the complete 180 of the scene. You want to tell a story? Fine and dandy, want to tell one within the FoE -verse that's created over one hundred subfanfics and you own the longest running and most wordy of the bunch fine. Take something as central to FoE as Shattered Hoof and totally turn things on its head and yes expect gripes. Expect six pages of gripes, expect well researched and possibly even insightful ten page long dissertations on the themes of FoE and how they are present in Project Horizon.
And how the re-write of Shattered Hoof breaks with the key ideal of FoE. That of how pastel colored ponies who know only peace, love and friendship can in twenty years go from those higher ideals to ending the world. Shattered Hoof is one of the defining steps on that path. That hoof was placed on the path way back when the old Cesar died and relationships deteriorated between Equestria and the next Cesar. Then the hostage situation, then the war, the long drawn out conflict then the two major turning points... Littlehorn and Shattered Hoof.
Somber your handling of Littehorn I find perfectly acceptable, there was a school... there were refugees and the schools defenses opened up on the refugees and the pink cloud bomb was used forever branding that horrible alchemical weapon of mass destruction the Littlehorn agent. Your handling of it was fine and despite the fact that Pslam and Goldenblood were both there such things can be accepted even expected.
But a few years later after that first great turning point from war over resources to war because they hate us the second big turning point occurs. That being Shattered Hoof and the death of Big Mac and subsequent painting of every single Zebra as akin to the devil. Why do Zebras only lie? Because the Ministry of Image and Moral says so... they tried to kill Celestia the living embodiment of the sun, joy, happiness and the good things in this world and some Zebra tried to shoot her. What else won't they try? Better be good little foal or wicked Zebras will come to steal you away... you know they tried to kill the Princess don't you?
Back in comment threads Kkatt directly described the death of Big Mac as a JFK moment. The long drawn out procession, the surprise gunshot and then the panic and terror. Except in this world Big Mac took the bullet meant for Celestia and died instantly. No long drawn out combat, no surprise twist, nothing. Not to say there is no room for a pony to take that shot but there's a far difference between a pony assassin and a sudden pitched battle.
I've got even more to say but, I have work in the morning and two more pages to read of comments. Most likely three by then.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by RoboRed Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:02 am
It was so broken, half of everything got pushed to the right side of the post window.Moodyman90 wrote:But Robo, I loved the original version. It was so broken for me that your signature was pushed over to the side of the screen and your name and avi was where your signature was suppose to be haha.
Ugh...thank god I got that figured out.
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by tylertoon2 Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:47 am
Cptadder wrote:Still need to read page 17 and 18, tomorrow over breakfast I think. Skimmed them enough to see this and had to post the rest of my thoughts.Somber wrote:Thanks very much for the comments. I was very nervous about the Psalm dream and had concerns it would be one more instance of PH being 'revisionist sue fic'. That's the last thing I wanted.
Yeah, from me your going to get it. PH is 'revisionist sue fic' because of the complete 180 of the scene. You want to tell a story? Fine and dandy, want to tell one within the FoE -verse that's created over one hundred subfanfics and you own the longest running and most wordy of the bunch fine. Take something as central to FoE as Shattered Hoof and totally turn things on its head and yes expect gripes. Expect six pages of gripes, expect well researched and possibly even insightful ten page long dissertations on the themes of FoE and how they are present in Project Horizon.
And how the re-write of Shattered Hoof breaks with the key ideal of FoE. That of how pastel colored ponies who know only peace, love and friendship can in twenty years go from those higher ideals to ending the world. Shattered Hoof is one of the defining steps on that path. That hoof was placed on the path way back when the old Cesar died and relationships deteriorated between Equestria and the next Cesar. Then the hostage situation, then the war, the long drawn out conflict then the two major turning points... Littlehorn and Shattered Hoof.
Somber your handling of Littehorn I find perfectly acceptable, there was a school... there were refugees and the schools defenses opened up on the refugees and the pink cloud bomb was used forever branding that horrible alchemical weapon of mass destruction the Littlehorn agent. Your handling of it was fine and despite the fact that Pslam and Goldenblood were both there such things can be accepted even expected.
But a few years later after that first great turning point from war over resources to war because they hate us the second big turning point occurs. That being Shattered Hoof and the death of Big Mac and subsequent painting of every single Zebra as akin to the devil. Why do Zebras only lie? Because the Ministry of Image and Moral says so... they tried to kill Celestia the living embodiment of the sun, joy, happiness and the good things in this world and some Zebra tried to shoot her. What else won't they try? Better be good little foal or wicked Zebras will come to steal you away... you know they tried to kill the Princess don't you?
Back in comment threads Kkatt directly described the death of Big Mac as a JFK moment. The long drawn out procession, the surprise gunshot and then the panic and terror. Except in this world Big Mac took the bullet meant for Celestia and died instantly. No long drawn out combat, no surprise twist, nothing. Not to say there is no room for a pony to take that shot but there's a far difference between a pony assassin and a sudden pitched battle.
I've got even more to say but, I have work in the morning and two more pages to read of comments. Most likely three by then.
Adder makes a lot of good points here and he has me swayed.
The more I think about it the less it makes sense. I'm secretly hoping that this is explained away as all a dream. I know Somber is trying to build a very tragic character for Pslam and role with the whole Zebra curse thing, but there are other ways to do it than changing an integral theme.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by jacky2734 Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:20 am
Quick question for O.hinds
- Spoiler:
- You said there was something in this chapter that Fuzzy would appreciate because it might have accidentally related to LN7. I read through the chapter, but nothing clicked with me. Do you mind elaborating?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by AGurdel Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:14 am
tylertoon2 wrote:
Adder makes a lot of good points here and he has me swayed.
The more I think about it the less it makes sense. I'm secretly hoping that this is explained away as all a dream. I know Somber is trying to build a very tragic character for Pslam and role with the whole Zebra curse thing, but there are other ways to do it than changing an integral theme.
Pinkie's assassination could be undone this way, but Big Mac's death is confimed by Dealer/Echo. I don't now if I will ever read other stories in the FoE universe (dont have the time atm), but Somber's explanation for Pinkie's and BM's death won't be included in my headcanon.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by WavemasterRyx Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:53 am
@Sindri - My "feelings" are about as reliable as my theories.
@OAC - Thank you very much, and I'm sorry you were having so much trouble, I hope you're feeling better.
@RoboRed - Thank you as well, I'm glad that you enjoyed all the pictures.
Well, at least it's not quite as late as usual, but this commentary turned out really short. Honestly it's because I barely felt like writing it other than for Somber, since coming to this forum has been decreasingly enjoyable.
I did enjoy the chapter, Somber, so thank you very much for writing it. And thank you Hinds, Bronode, and Snipe as always for your hard work in helping bring us this story.
@OAC - Thank you very much, and I'm sorry you were having so much trouble, I hope you're feeling better.
@RoboRed - Thank you as well, I'm glad that you enjoyed all the pictures.
Well, at least it's not quite as late as usual, but this commentary turned out really short. Honestly it's because I barely felt like writing it other than for Somber, since coming to this forum has been decreasingly enjoyable.
I did enjoy the chapter, Somber, so thank you very much for writing it. And thank you Hinds, Bronode, and Snipe as always for your hard work in helping bring us this story.
- Chapter 54 Commentary:
"the filly said, then passes a roll of tape to Boo, who caught it in her mouth and then set it into the bag." - This really is super adorable, and a nice sign that Boo actually can learn.
I was actually pretty upset with Rover for eating all of Blackjack's cyberpony cakes before, so it made me pretty happy that Glory was able to make some more.
The little talk about anatomy and reproduction was fairly amusing. I wonder just how open P-21 would be to helping Glory, it's certainly a minefield and a half if I've ever seen one.
"Really... how could anyone take a nap... on a... tank..." - It really is good that Blackjack isn't having trouble falling asleep anymore.
Alright, so... the dream. I don't know why I said "Echo" in my initial thoughts...
But yeah, coming into the dream, I had no idea at all where they were, I thought it was going to be just some minor meeting and Big Mac would somehow make it out alive.
I don't think it was "revisionist sue" at all, but what do I know.
I thought it was an incredibly powerful scene.
Especially with Cheddar's death, I really hate Goldenblood for what he did to Psalm...
The scene on the bridge was fairly amusing at points. The part with Clink was fairly chilling, and very well carried out. And where Lacunae gets her first badass point of the chapter for pulling the trigger for Blackjack.
And Blackjack actually talked about it, that's an improvement too.
The running fight with the hellhounds seemed well done.
I'm giving Lacunae credit for saving Boo from the zebra for now, although it's entirely unfounded. She and Scotch both get badass points for that.
"I'm not the maiden of anything! I'm not even a maiden! There's a certain criteria a mare has to meet in order to be considered a maiden, and I blew that when I was your age." - Little bits of humor like this in dire situations is always nice. Though admittedly this is less dire than most of what Blackjack gets into.
Letting Boo take the lead with P-21 is an interesting choice. Not unwarranted, but interesting.
"Actually, I was thinking of trying to find this place's reactor and blowing it up." - There's no kill like overkill. I don't say nearly enough how much I like P-21.
Boo is super adorable when she's unintentionally helping find what Blackjack needs.
It's nice that after two duds, Blackjack finally found the last statuette.
And badass point number three for Lacunae. She doesn't even bother with magic, she just kicks Sunset back to the roof. Totally badass.
I was really kinda hoping that the fight with the Legate would turn into an epic battle between him and Rampage...
The next time he and Blackjack fight though (if it happens), I sincerely hope that either she will actually be a match for him, or that she'll wipe the floor with him and then give him a lecture on doing better.
"P-21, do you believe in fate?" "I believe in you. Does that count?" - I think P-21 being adorable and comforting is a great way to end the chapter.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:58 am
Lengthier commentary on various moments. Also, another
song for the chapter.
@Ryx
Thanks, I'm much better now. :) The trucks are coming again, but I slept from like 4 to 12 in the afternoon instead of eating, so I'm all set. Also, if you don't mind my asking, is there anything I/we can do to keep you visiting here? Communities are like any relationship, after all, and they take work to make them, uh... work. And stuff. Anyway, point is, how can I help? You can PM if you want to discuss it privately, too, it sends me an e-mail when I get one so I don't miss it. :)
song for the chapter.
- Spoilered for Length:
-"The talk" at the beginning. We-e-ell, it was realistic, I suppose, but it did get pretty awkward by the end - not just the fact that Scotch was sexually active, which is honestly not all that dramatic, just not something covered all that often in fiction (apart from Neil Gaiman, anyway), but the whole situation with Glory. Weirdly enough, I sort of felt like it would have been less awkward if Glory had actually talked about her position on why this was all very strange for her (I am running out of synonyms FAST). Problem is, I'm not sure how that could have been done with Blackjack as narrator. =P
-The bridge! Scene went from funny, to very dark and intense. I know you've always been good at that sort of thing (and the inverse, dark->funny), and this is another example of it working well.
-The memory orb went way, way better than I'd worried this scene was going to go, to be honest. I really liked this scene, upon reading it - you had Psalm make the call to put down Celestia, not Goldenblood, and you had it be extremely painful and difficult for her. My main concern was that the whole thing would be a plot, or that Big Mac jumping in front of the show would come out of nowhere and it would seem too... I dunno, out of nowhere. Now, I wasn't immediately sold on the zebra attack (frankly, I think there may be other factors involved with that - factionalism on the part of the zebras, potentially), but as a way to make sure that Psalm would need to make a split-second decision AND feel the need to shoot Celestia, it worked very well. Apparently, there are canon concerns, which might be valid (I don't remember much about what actually happened during the Celestia assassination attempt, other than that Big Mac died), but in terms of working in this story, I really liked how it was handled.
-Boo seems to have a LCK 10, or even something more. I dunno, the fact that Blackjack remarked upon it suggests to me that something important is happening here. She also seems to have developed a routine with Scotch, which I was very interested in but we have grown used to Blackjack sometimes failing to pay attention to things by now. =P
-The fight with the Hellhounds was awesome. Not sure what more to say about it - it was tense, kinetic, and exciting.
Anyway, um, I think that just about covers it! Good work, this, and I hope you have a good time at the Vegas convention! :)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Mister Nikel Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:14 am
Killing the legate huh?...
First thing a fitting theme for more impact and considering the translation of his name...
Let's look over what we know about him again:
1)He has a dragon bone mail that gets slight scratch marks from 50ca rounds fired from two Brauning m20's. Said dragon mail doesn't budge from 120mm mortars being detonated at point blank either. Hydraulic power hooves made from carbon steel shatter against it from a few blows. The only saving grace is that it does not cover his whole body.
2)He has super strength. Not Goliath super strength. Not a pack of bloodhounds bringing down a building super strength. He has Littlepip's telekinesis at end of FO:E kind of super strength times ten. Catching 120 mm tank mortars with bare hooves at point blank. Nuff said.
3)Every inch of his armor and body are covered in glyphs and runes for possibly every kind of combat situation. They also may or may not be the source of his...
4) Control of the elements. This guy is the Avatar. Not the crappy blue alien thing either. The real deal. We saw two elements. Chances are he has all four. He can overturn tanks with a single stomp. Also condense air in a particular area enough to crush a cyberpony with it's pressure.
5)Unlimited XS Rank healing factor and magic resistance. He had his head cut off and it healed before it could fall off. He had his head cut off by a soul devouring sword made from Tokomare fragments. He did not flinch.
6)And the big one. We have yet to see his weird double bladed dragon staff/sword/whatever the hell it's supposed to be. Which is probably every single bit as OP as the rest of his gear and him.
My recommendation? Find something that can kill Rampage first. And then.
1)Strip armor.
2)Disintegrate.
3)Use whatever can kill Rampage on the talisman.
This guy would tank balefire bombs like a pro for all we know. This guy is cartoonishly overpowered. This power creep is crazy. Somber is crazy.
First thing a fitting theme for more impact and considering the translation of his name...
Let's look over what we know about him again:
1)He has a dragon bone mail that gets slight scratch marks from 50ca rounds fired from two Brauning m20's. Said dragon mail doesn't budge from 120mm mortars being detonated at point blank either. Hydraulic power hooves made from carbon steel shatter against it from a few blows. The only saving grace is that it does not cover his whole body.
2)He has super strength. Not Goliath super strength. Not a pack of bloodhounds bringing down a building super strength. He has Littlepip's telekinesis at end of FO:E kind of super strength times ten. Catching 120 mm tank mortars with bare hooves at point blank. Nuff said.
3)Every inch of his armor and body are covered in glyphs and runes for possibly every kind of combat situation. They also may or may not be the source of his...
4) Control of the elements. This guy is the Avatar. Not the crappy blue alien thing either. The real deal. We saw two elements. Chances are he has all four. He can overturn tanks with a single stomp. Also condense air in a particular area enough to crush a cyberpony with it's pressure.
5)Unlimited XS Rank healing factor and magic resistance. He had his head cut off and it healed before it could fall off. He had his head cut off by a soul devouring sword made from Tokomare fragments. He did not flinch.
6)And the big one. We have yet to see his weird double bladed dragon staff/sword/whatever the hell it's supposed to be. Which is probably every single bit as OP as the rest of his gear and him.
My recommendation? Find something that can kill Rampage first. And then.
1)Strip armor.
2)Disintegrate.
3)Use whatever can kill Rampage on the talisman.
This guy would tank balefire bombs like a pro for all we know. This guy is cartoonishly overpowered. This power creep is crazy. Somber is crazy.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Cptadder Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:32 am
Still need to read 17 and 18 so I'll return to another issue. Our new big bad the Legate and I'll use Professional Wrestling to explain the misstep here.
First some definition of terms
Face(Baby face)-A good guy wrestler, one who is presented heroically and appears to do good things in and out of the ring. A Face is not just a good guy because they obey the rules but because they act how you expect a good person to act, they are the people your supposed to root for in the match.
Heel - A bad wrestler, one who is presented as villainous, one who cheats, lies and pulls dirty tricks. The Heel is the wrestler your supposed to be rooting against.
Sell/No Sell- In wrestling lots of moves look like they hurt a lot more than they do. Selling involves acting like it a clothesline to the face hurts a lot more than it does. No selling is the reverse where you shrug it off like it was nothing.
Wiki has a longer list here
The reason why I define those terms real quickly is because of this matchup between the Legate and Blackjack and Co.
So we have to set up the Legate as dangerous and his first act is to literally take on the entirety Team Blackjack and no sell everything. He gets tank blasted, machine gun fire is just an annoyance, and he takes a sword to the throat and tosses off one liners. Here is our newest Heel to come fight Team Blackjack and he tears through them. Further Blackjack loses cleanly despite the help of her friends and the only reason for a lack of game over is because of the bizarre decision of the Legate because... he said so?
The Legate has no other place to go, sure we could see him tear about 100 raiders with two hooves tied behind his back and a bucket on his head, but we already know he can take on a tank and five high level badass and our main character with ease. In terms of selling us on how dangerous the Legate, there is literally no place to go with him. If Blackjack becomes dangerous enough to go one on one with the Legate then you can only start throwing gods at her because everything else short of giant Mecha won't be able to compare.
So in his fight Legate demonstrated command over all the elements making him the Avatar/More Magic than any Unicorn. He also demonstrated great healing putting him on the level with Rampage or a homunculus. And he demonstrated gravity control putting him on par with.. lets say Gordon Freeman.
Point is his introduction was so strong and his character so flat there is no place to go with him. He's uninteresting.... he's Sombra bad.
Thanks go to Nikel for listing all of his super powers.
Somber the Legate offers no build up. No hints at his power, no mention of his presence, no previous amazing feats or running across what he's done. He just shows up and bam Legate Smash.
First some definition of terms
Face(Baby face)-A good guy wrestler, one who is presented heroically and appears to do good things in and out of the ring. A Face is not just a good guy because they obey the rules but because they act how you expect a good person to act, they are the people your supposed to root for in the match.
Heel - A bad wrestler, one who is presented as villainous, one who cheats, lies and pulls dirty tricks. The Heel is the wrestler your supposed to be rooting against.
Sell/No Sell- In wrestling lots of moves look like they hurt a lot more than they do. Selling involves acting like it a clothesline to the face hurts a lot more than it does. No selling is the reverse where you shrug it off like it was nothing.
Wiki has a longer list here
The reason why I define those terms real quickly is because of this matchup between the Legate and Blackjack and Co.
So we have to set up the Legate as dangerous and his first act is to literally take on the entirety Team Blackjack and no sell everything. He gets tank blasted, machine gun fire is just an annoyance, and he takes a sword to the throat and tosses off one liners. Here is our newest Heel to come fight Team Blackjack and he tears through them. Further Blackjack loses cleanly despite the help of her friends and the only reason for a lack of game over is because of the bizarre decision of the Legate because... he said so?
The Legate has no other place to go, sure we could see him tear about 100 raiders with two hooves tied behind his back and a bucket on his head, but we already know he can take on a tank and five high level badass and our main character with ease. In terms of selling us on how dangerous the Legate, there is literally no place to go with him. If Blackjack becomes dangerous enough to go one on one with the Legate then you can only start throwing gods at her because everything else short of giant Mecha won't be able to compare.
So in his fight Legate demonstrated command over all the elements making him the Avatar/More Magic than any Unicorn. He also demonstrated great healing putting him on the level with Rampage or a homunculus. And he demonstrated gravity control putting him on par with.. lets say Gordon Freeman.
Point is his introduction was so strong and his character so flat there is no place to go with him. He's uninteresting.... he's Sombra bad.
Thanks go to Nikel for listing all of his super powers.
Somber the Legate offers no build up. No hints at his power, no mention of his presence, no previous amazing feats or running across what he's done. He just shows up and bam Legate Smash.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:45 am
You're looking at his powers, when you need to be looking at his weak points.Mister Nikel wrote:Killing the legate huh?...
Let's look over what we know about him again:
He caught a 120mm shell. He did not simply stand and tank it, implying that the direct impact and/or the explosion from less than a leg-length away would harm him.
His armor cracked, and he lost several pieces, under Rampage's assault. This means that his gear is highly resistant to blunt force trauma, but not immune, and between the material and the runes it's almost certainly a source of some of his power.
He blocked a hail of .50 rounds with his hooves, rather than letting them hit his face, meaning that a) his attention can be diverted by enough simultaneous attacks and b) heavy enough gunfire is at least painful or inconvenient, if not a serious threat.
He can be blinded, he can be tricked, he can be trapped, and he can be cut. His powers cover a wide range and much be accounted for, but they are finite.
The real sticking point is his regeneration; he's faster than Rampage and there's nothing to indicate he has more limitations. But if you can't deal with regeneration after getting past his other defenses, you either aren't trying or you aren't nearly cold enough.
Classic methods include: putting his core in a cage smaller than his regenerated body, settling him in one of many sources of continual damage like high end acid or eternal flame, placing large and unpleasant objects inside his skull and chest cavity while he regenerates... The trick is dealing damage fast enough to outpace his regen while you set up a longer-term solution.
He's an incredibly tough opponent. Blackjack and co with their current power set might not be able to pull it off. You need to survive his attacks long enough to chip away at his gear, and then once he's unarmored pour on constant massive damage until you get his cage set up, preferably from many different sources (whether Deus ever runs out of ammo is an important question). But it definitely can be done. If it has hit points, we can if not kill it at least incapacitate for an indefinite duration; the trick is surviving long enough to finish the job.
Early tests you need to conduct involve stretching the limits of his elemental control, particularly of sea and earth (since you'll need things that might be considered variants on those for the final containment protocols). Lightning is almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, but his pressure trick is also a puzzlement. Ideal ground for the final battle would be in vacuum, but that's likely not an option. Testing prior to capture may be troublesome given difficulty in locating target and probable high mortality rate among anyone other than Blackjack and Rampage who attempts to engage before sufficient information is compiled. Research is another possible avenue; Lancer's loyalties might be softening but his hatred of Blackjack far outstrips any progress there. I believe we need to speak to Sekashi about her former husband.
But seriously, this guy isn't even Keter-class.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:59 am
He doesn't need to go up in power; he's been building for centuries and thus pretty much peaked. He doesn't need to go up in apparent threat level because he's already vying with Dawn for the top of the curb-stomp tier. And you seem to be forgetting that Blackjack's taken down giant mecha before, and Littlepip killed a Goddess at significantly lower level.Cptadder wrote:The Legate has no other place to go, sure we could see him tear about 100 raiders with two hooves tied behind his back and a bucket on his head, but we already know he can take on a tank and five high level badass and our main character with ease. In terms of selling us on how dangerous the Legate, there is literally no place to go with him. If Blackjack becomes dangerous enough to go one on one with the Legate then you can only start throwing gods at her because everything else short of giant Mecha won't be able to compare.
His character on the other hand has many places to go from here. Maybe or maybe not in terms of development and progression, but definitely in terms of discovery. This is his first appearance, and it raised a dozen questions for each it answered. There's far too much about him, his motivations, and his background which we do not know, and that information is almost certainly vital to stopping him.Point is his introduction was so strong and his character so flat there is no place to go with him. He's uninteresting.... he's Sombra bad.
And Sombra? No comparison whatsoever. King Sombra was described as an apocalyptic level threat but never actually acted on screen. We didn't so much as get exposition of what he was famous for in the past, he just showed up out of nowhere, was declared to be bad news on a level where everybody loses if he gets a single shot off, and then disappeared under the nonspecifically magical glow of the macguffin. He had no personality, no goals, no known powers, nothing except a scary reputation that nobody actually knew and an allergy to glowing heart-shaped rocks. The fight against him wasn't a struggle, it was a race in which the finish line was hidden, nobody else was on the track, and we never learned why we were running in the first place.
Vitiosus started as a political figure, shows up to demonstrate his powers in detail, displays a passable (if abhorrent) personality, hands out some foreshadowing and character development points to all around, drops a handful of adventure hooks, and then steps back into his recurring high-level villain slot until the endgame. He's pretty close to the exact opposite of Sombra, as villains go.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Derpmind Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:14 am
Cptadder, you're missing the point of the Shattered Hoof scene. It's not a re-write, it's meant to reframe the narrative that was given to the public as propaganda.
I don't actually ave time to make this argument, sorry, but you basically you might be coming at this from the wrong way, right? Perhaps Somber should have put some thoughts about Shattered Hoof in the chapter somewhere to make it clearer, I don't know. I have to go now, but if noone else does it I'll try and hack out and argument later.
I don't actually ave time to make this argument, sorry, but you basically you might be coming at this from the wrong way, right? Perhaps Somber should have put some thoughts about Shattered Hoof in the chapter somewhere to make it clearer, I don't know. I have to go now, but if noone else does it I'll try and hack out and argument later.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:19 am
How about fighting in a big ol' enervation field? In the tunnels around the Core, say, or specifically in that necropolis from way back when Glory lost her wing? You could even make one - Blackjack knows how, theoretically. Or how about just sucking out his soul (might need help for that), or invading his mind? A straight-up fight is an option, maybe, but not the only one. Take a card from Twisted Fate's deck - "Never lost a fair game... or played one."
Blackjack could also just refuse to become what he feels he must destroy. The way things are progressing, of course, that might not be an option.
Blackjack could also just refuse to become what he feels he must destroy. The way things are progressing, of course, that might not be an option.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:28 am
I like the way you think. I'd been stuck on mundane solutions, but he might not have any Enervation resistance at all...Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:How about fighting in a big ol' enervation field? In the tunnels around the Core, say, or specifically in that necropolis from way back when Glory lost her wing? You could even make one - Blackjack knows how, theoretically. Or how about just sucking out his soul (might need help for that), or invading his mind? A straight-up fight is an option, maybe, but not the only one. Take a card from Twisted Fate's deck - "Never lost a fair game... or played one."
Blackjack could also just refuse to become what he feels he must destroy. The way things are progressing, of course, that might not be an option.
Or if he has a deal with the Stars, he might be completely immune. Or like Rampage, who wasn't harmed but went crazier. These are things we need to run tests on.
In any case, weaponizing Enervation might count as embracing her role as Maiden. Maybe keep that as a trick up your sleeve rather than a first strike?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:19 am
Captain, i'm really, really glad i'm not the only person who feels this way and even more so that you knew how to word it unlike me.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Somber Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:53 am
Sigh...
If I may interpose about the Legate...
What she needs to do is talk to Sekashi and ask about him.
If I may interpose about the Legate...
What she needs to do is talk to Sekashi and ask about him.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Somber Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:09 am
Now... about Shattered Hoof...
How could Big Macintosh shield Celestia from an unknown sniper? Your average modern day sniper can kill from over five hundred yards. There are snipers who can kill from over a thousand if I recall wikipedia. That's five football fields away with snipers who have invisibility cloaks. So how did Big Macintosh know where the shooter was in order to block the bullet? He knew where Psalm's firing position was and interposed himself with Celestia, the only thing he had strength left to do. I always had Psalm as the betrayer of the Marauders. She's Judas, killing her commander because of what she believes she HAS to do.
It is still a sacrifice. Macintosh could have simply let Psalm kill Celestia. But he stayed loyal and dependable until the very end. He did not yield nor break. He did what was right. If Celestia had been taken, he would have lead the Marauders into the Zebra Empire to free her personally. He never would have quit on his job. So he made the choice. He wasn't shot down like a dog. He still died a hero.
Psalm, on the other hoof, did what she thought she had to do. She believed in Luna so much that killing Celestia made sense to her. It was the right thing to do. If she'd had faith in Big Macintosh, she would have dedicated herself to saving Celestia as well. But then reinforcements arrived. That's Psalm's tragedy.
I'm sorry it didn't work for you, Cpt.
How could Big Macintosh shield Celestia from an unknown sniper? Your average modern day sniper can kill from over five hundred yards. There are snipers who can kill from over a thousand if I recall wikipedia. That's five football fields away with snipers who have invisibility cloaks. So how did Big Macintosh know where the shooter was in order to block the bullet? He knew where Psalm's firing position was and interposed himself with Celestia, the only thing he had strength left to do. I always had Psalm as the betrayer of the Marauders. She's Judas, killing her commander because of what she believes she HAS to do.
It is still a sacrifice. Macintosh could have simply let Psalm kill Celestia. But he stayed loyal and dependable until the very end. He did not yield nor break. He did what was right. If Celestia had been taken, he would have lead the Marauders into the Zebra Empire to free her personally. He never would have quit on his job. So he made the choice. He wasn't shot down like a dog. He still died a hero.
Psalm, on the other hoof, did what she thought she had to do. She believed in Luna so much that killing Celestia made sense to her. It was the right thing to do. If she'd had faith in Big Macintosh, she would have dedicated herself to saving Celestia as well. But then reinforcements arrived. That's Psalm's tragedy.
I'm sorry it didn't work for you, Cpt.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:12 am
So, I'm reading chapter 54 (I haven't finished it yet.) and while I sincerely hope this isn't the case I'm starting to think BJ, Glory, and P-21 are going to be entering a threeway relationship before the story ends.
If I may ask a question: Why is that Glory's enclave upbringing seem easier to overcome then BJ's 99 upbringing?
It's stated in FO:E that homosexual relationships were encouraged simply because they could not produce offsping (It's reiterated in this chapter. I think someone's mentioned here before that maybe with a unicorn's help it'd be possible, but considering this is the enclave I think that's irrelevant as even the Thunderhead unicorns would have no way of learning a spell like that.) So why wouldn't monogamous relationships be encouraged for the same reason?
If I may ask a question: Why is that Glory's enclave upbringing seem easier to overcome then BJ's 99 upbringing?
It's stated in FO:E that homosexual relationships were encouraged simply because they could not produce offsping (It's reiterated in this chapter. I think someone's mentioned here before that maybe with a unicorn's help it'd be possible, but considering this is the enclave I think that's irrelevant as even the Thunderhead unicorns would have no way of learning a spell like that.) So why wouldn't monogamous relationships be encouraged for the same reason?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:21 am
See, thing is dude, not only does that not change what has already happened but it wasn't even hinted at by Blackjack.
yes she's the ex wife of the guy and would know all that junk, yes she was briefly mentioned by him, but that doesn't equate to Blackjack herself thinking 'shit, I know someone who knows this guy inside out' and without that, wellm this is my reaction.
what about all the readers who don't browse this place? Sure, I could tell a few that you have plans involving x y and z but that's far from the same as reading it in the story itself.
you've got to cater to us if you want us to understand like you do and without understqandong, we come to our own conclusions, good or bad.
again, im not trying to upset you, but you deserve honesty as long as its not a personal attack and my opinion of this character is very poor BUT you can't please everyone allm the time and you've got to remember that someone will always see somethingas bad. One character doesn't equate to the whole story though, not in a story like this. Not even blackjack
yes she's the ex wife of the guy and would know all that junk, yes she was briefly mentioned by him, but that doesn't equate to Blackjack herself thinking 'shit, I know someone who knows this guy inside out' and without that, wellm this is my reaction.
what about all the readers who don't browse this place? Sure, I could tell a few that you have plans involving x y and z but that's far from the same as reading it in the story itself.
you've got to cater to us if you want us to understand like you do and without understqandong, we come to our own conclusions, good or bad.
again, im not trying to upset you, but you deserve honesty as long as its not a personal attack and my opinion of this character is very poor BUT you can't please everyone allm the time and you've got to remember that someone will always see somethingas bad. One character doesn't equate to the whole story though, not in a story like this. Not even blackjack
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:34 am
I'm sorry that you didn't like the Shattered Hoof Ridge scene (or the Legate, but I expect that he will be well explained in time, and for the moment he's supposed to be wildly out there). Honestly, FoE's version of events never sat well with me. How did Big Macintosh know exactly when and where to stand to catch a sniper bullet heading for Celestia? It's never explained. I also don't feel that the PH version breaks the lesson (though I hadn't noticed the lesson until you pointed it out); Big Macintosh's actions are still selfless, and they're still used for justification. If anything, I think that PH strengthens it; a hero performs noble and selfless actions, the truth of those actions is obscured (in large part accidentally) after his death to make them seem even better, and then those actions are used as justification.Cptadder wrote:-snip-
Ah, I see that Somber's already replied.
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- A large and muscular equine warlord who prefers melee combat, wears a helmet made from a dragon's skull, and is related to the Hoofington region.
Oh, I'm sorry that you're coming to dislike this place. Might I ask why, and is there anything that I can do to help?WavemasterRyx wrote:@Sindri - My "feelings" are about as reliable as my theories.
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Well, at least it's not quite as late as usual, but this commentary turned out really short. Honestly it's because I barely felt like writing it other than for Somber, since coming to this forum has been decreasingly enjoyable.
I did enjoy the chapter, Somber, so thank you very much for writing it. And thank you Hinds, Bronode, and Snipe as always for your hard work in helping bring us this story.
- Chapter 54 Commentary:
"the filly said, then passes a roll of tape to Boo, who caught it in her mouth and then set it into the bag." - This really is super adorable, and a nice sign that Boo actually can learn.
I was actually pretty upset with Rover for eating all of Blackjack's cyberpony cakes before, so it made me pretty happy that Glory was able to make some more.
The little talk about anatomy and reproduction was fairly amusing. I wonder just how open P-21 would be to helping Glory, it's certainly a minefield and a half if I've ever seen one.
"Really... how could anyone take a nap... on a... tank..." - It really is good that Blackjack isn't having trouble falling asleep anymore.
Alright, so... the dream. I don't know why I said "Echo" in my initial thoughts...
But yeah, coming into the dream, I had no idea at all where they were, I thought it was going to be just some minor meeting and Big Mac would somehow make it out alive.
I don't think it was "revisionist sue" at all, but what do I know.
I thought it was an incredibly powerful scene.
Especially with Cheddar's death, I really hate Goldenblood for what he did to Psalm...
The scene on the bridge was fairly amusing at points. The part with Clink was fairly chilling, and very well carried out. And where Lacunae gets her first badass point of the chapter for pulling the trigger for Blackjack.
And Blackjack actually talked about it, that's an improvement too.
The running fight with the hellhounds seemed well done.
I'm giving Lacunae credit for saving Boo from the zebra for now, although it's entirely unfounded. She and Scotch both get badass points for that.
"I'm not the maiden of anything! I'm not even a maiden! There's a certain criteria a mare has to meet in order to be considered a maiden, and I blew that when I was your age." - Little bits of humor like this in dire situations is always nice. Though admittedly this is less dire than most of what Blackjack gets into.
Letting Boo take the lead with P-21 is an interesting choice. Not unwarranted, but interesting.
"Actually, I was thinking of trying to find this place's reactor and blowing it up." - There's no kill like overkill. I don't say nearly enough how much I like P-21.
Boo is super adorable when she's unintentionally helping find what Blackjack needs.
It's nice that after two duds, Blackjack finally found the last statuette.
And badass point number three for Lacunae. She doesn't even bother with magic, she just kicks Sunset back to the roof. Totally badass.
I was really kinda hoping that the fight with the Legate would turn into an epic battle between him and Rampage...
The next time he and Blackjack fight though (if it happens), I sincerely hope that either she will actually be a match for him, or that she'll wipe the floor with him and then give him a lecture on doing better.
"P-21, do you believe in fate?" "I believe in you. Does that count?" - I think P-21 being adorable and comforting is a great way to end the chapter.
...Why do you think that they weren't encouraged?Last wrote:It's stated in FO:E that homosexual relationships were encouraged simply because they could not produce offsping (It's reiterated in this chapter. I think someone's mentioned here before that maybe with a unicorn's help it'd be possible, but considering this is the enclave I think that's irrelevant as even the Thunderhead unicorns would have no way of learning a spell like that.) So why wouldn't monogamous relationships be encouraged for the same reason?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:51 am
@Hinds
Well, just in the previous chapter Glory had a discussion with BJ. It's implied (Or I believe it's implied.) that she doesn't mind BJ sleeping around as long as she gets to join in. I believe that if it was enforced in the enclave she would never say that.
I'm hoping that she didn't mean that, I'm hoping that the recent loss of her mother and the strong possibility of losing her father made her even more desperate to hold onto BJ. So desperate that she would do things that would hurt herself to keep her.
The thing that keeps me from thinking that is there have been several ponies that have approached BJ and said something along the lines of P-21 loving her. There's no way this isn't going to be addressed in the story at some point. (Let me reiterate that I have not finished this chapter. I can be incredibly forgetful so I try to say things while they're are still on my mind.) And with Glory's recent admission of being attracted to P-21 I'm seeing this being addressed by them going into a relationship together.
Well, just in the previous chapter Glory had a discussion with BJ. It's implied (Or I believe it's implied.) that she doesn't mind BJ sleeping around as long as she gets to join in. I believe that if it was enforced in the enclave she would never say that.
I'm hoping that she didn't mean that, I'm hoping that the recent loss of her mother and the strong possibility of losing her father made her even more desperate to hold onto BJ. So desperate that she would do things that would hurt herself to keep her.
The thing that keeps me from thinking that is there have been several ponies that have approached BJ and said something along the lines of P-21 loving her. There's no way this isn't going to be addressed in the story at some point. (Let me reiterate that I have not finished this chapter. I can be incredibly forgetful so I try to say things while they're are still on my mind.) And with Glory's recent admission of being attracted to P-21 I'm seeing this being addressed by them going into a relationship together.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Mr. Snrub Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:10 pm
Somber you realize you have your own story to write, which has a lot of loose ends? Why do you think you need to "fix" Kkats story instead of working on your own? And by "fix" i mean shoehorn your own characters into every scene of the original, making them responsible for everything, because obviously that's something that needs to be done.
I mean, just look at other Sidefics, they seem to have no need to try and rewrite the very story they based their own on, but create their own worlds.
I fully expect people to disregard me as troll, because i said something that may offend Somber and isn´t Praise. Unfortunately i am obviously retarded, as i think Hugboxing is not a good way to help a author.
I mean, just look at other Sidefics, they seem to have no need to try and rewrite the very story they based their own on, but create their own worlds.
I fully expect people to disregard me as troll, because i said something that may offend Somber and isn´t Praise. Unfortunately i am obviously retarded, as i think Hugboxing is not a good way to help a author.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:15 pm
Well to start with, the Enclave encourages homosexual relationships with economic incentives and such, and limits number of children, but doesn't say that hetero sex is evil or anything. They need to limit their population for the sake of resources, but they still need the foals. Stable 99 had a very strict system where every pony was conditioned to believe that males had no desires or capabilities outside reproduction, and a culture where sex was seen as the best if not only form of entertainment and serious relationships were looked down on.Last wrote:If I may ask a question: Why is that Glory's enclave upbringing seem easier to overcome then BJ's 99 upbringing?
Second, ponies in this 'verse go through some variant on heat, and Glory's at the start of that cycle. No matter how lesbian she is, no matter how self controlled she is, her hormones are telling her that she's supposed to be pregnant. Normally she wouldn't act on this , but it's going to result in a slight shift in her thoughts and speech patterns just like when a human woman is ovulating or a human man gets exposed to pheromones.
Third, after her freakout over the batpony, Glory's making a conscious effort to be open-minded about Blackjack's views on sex. She hasn't decided to go along with them or anything, but she knows that they're a big part of who Blackjack currently is, likely to change slowly if ever, and she desperately wants to stay with Blackjack so pretending they aren't a thing isn't an option. It took Blackjack a good long time before she even thought about stallions being sentient, and she didn't even contemplate monogamy until that same freakout.
Also P-21 is objectively really hot.
Anyway, they didn't declare that this is a thing that will happen or anything; Blackjack's been thinking of kids eventually for a while now and hoping that Glory might be okay with being impregnated at some point in the distant future, but the topic hasn't really come up much. Glory just revealed that this might be a vague, distant possibility rather than something that just won't happen. I think that P-21 is unlikely to be comfortable with being used as breeding equipment again, but he's gone through a lot of development and recovery and there's a slim chance he might eventually be willing with a mare who was a good enough friend. And I've always seen the relationship between P-21 and Blackjack as an entirely different kind of love from the conventional romantic/sexual flavor, but I could be wrong or that could shift.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:19 pm
Sindri, you do realize this is not the first time heat has come up right?
Doof raping Twist was the first time.
Doof raping Twist was the first time.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:25 pm
Would you please quote the part you you believe implies this?Last wrote:Well, just in the previous chapter Glory had a discussion with BJ. It's implied (Or I believe it's implied.) that she doesn't mind BJ sleeping around as long as she gets to join in. I believe that if it was enforced in the enclave she would never say that.
No, I'm going to dismiss you as a troll because of the manner in which you presented your criticism and the poor grammar which you used to convey it. There is no need to be rude in your expression of displeasure.Mr. Snrub wrote:I fully expect people to disregard me as troll, because i said something that may offend Somber and isn´t Praise.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:25 pm
Oh, hey, I'd completely forgotten that it was mentioned there.Last wrote:Sindri, you do realize this is not the first time heat has come up right?
Doof raping Twist was the first time.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:31 pm
Somber wrote:“Just don’t... don’t leave me out. Whatever happens, don’t leave me out or leave me behind. Please...”
Now that I think about it this is a bit of a stretch, but I think that her previous question on whether or not she was okay with it got me in that frame of mind and the heat discussion in 54 enforced that thought.
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