[GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

ketchup504 wrote:

Sindri wrote:
I don't think Blackjack will ever see it. The ponies there went to great lengths to keep her from looking the first time

She may never see it depending if she can get a teleport there. P-21 did say that he was thinking of a way to break it to her that she had indeed gotten in. There's a memory orb too.

Cptadder wrote:

Cptadder wrote:

FeatherDust wrote:
Head canon all Minotaur's now have Wrestler names, their entire culture is now one giant extended WWE title match, TNA is the slightly dumber cousins who like hearing themselves talk.

YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T BRING THAT WEAKASS STUFF UP IN THIS HUMPTY-BUMPTY! YOU KILL THE JOE, YOU MAKE SOME MO'!

But for every wrestler there must be one they all look up to... the ULTIMATE WARRIOR (TM, he changed his name to it to get the TM)

And funny enough with a name like Pain Train, Ultimate Warrior fits right in. but then so do 90% of Wrestling names which is why I put forward my all Minotaurs are secretly professional wrestlers

SilentCarto wrote:

Necr0maNceR wrote:That made me think for a moment that it could be Deus, but nah, it wouldn't be him. He wasn't exactly their "friend" after all. I mean, the only reason I would mention him as a possibility is because of that armored shell he had enclosing his brain.

He got salvaged for parts. I'm pretty sure that would kill him if nothing else did.

Sindri wrote:

O. Hinds wrote:Oh, no, it's fine. This is... apparently much more obvious to me than to pretty much everyone else. I suppose that it probably comes down to tending towards literal interpretations.

Spoiler:

That would be the common interpretation of those words, and a valid one, but all they literally say is that he made adaptations to a thing, which is currently a weapon. The past nature of the thing does not enter into the sentence, however clear it appears to be on the face of things. If, for example, I were to say "I adapted a weapon out of the loose pipes lying around" you wouldn't assume that the pipes were already designed for violent use, and it would be an odd turn of phrase but perfectly correct in grammar and syntax. Here your mind is filling in information which does not exist because no better alternative is offered and it seems obvious given the most common usages of the words.

You need to be careful about the exact meaning of a phrase rather than looking at the implications and things that are "obvious" when you're dealing with lawyers, politicians, and wish spells.
It's certainly possible that the original Yellow River prion was engineered, but not necessary at this time and I doubt that it will become a plot point if true.

FeatherDust wrote:
He didn't say she'd gotten in, technically; he said they'd been lying to her. But I think she DID get in, and whatever was in there freaked her out badly enough that her mental stability is an issue in when they can give her the orb and let her recover the memory... so I doubt it's anything as prosaic as a simple megaspell chamber.

By the way: It's a hopeful sign that BJ was able to know (without knowing how she knew) how to disable the enervation field when it was at its peak, and thus the Goddess's influence was at a nadir. That suggests that the memory restrictions and such will fall apart once the Goddess is dead.

ketchup504 wrote:

FeatherDust wrote:
He didn't say she'd gotten in, technically; he said they'd been lying to her. But I think she DID get in, and whatever was in there freaked her out badly enough that her mental stability is an issue in when they can give her the orb and let her recover the memory... so I doubt it's anything as prosaic as a simple megaspell chamber.

By the way: It's a hopeful sign that BJ was able to know (without knowing how she knew) how to disable the enervation field when it was at its peak, and thus the Goddess's influence was at a nadir. That suggests that the memory restrictions and such will fall apart once the Goddess is dead.

It is implied the door at least opened, and whatever happened had a profound effect on Blackjack. Or it could be something else that happened there. We don't know exactly. But it matters.

I think of it now that she homed on the source because the Goddess is very sensitive to enervation, so with the mutation in her brain, Blackjack put her knowledge of the pest-control rings with the Goddess' influence and sensitivity subconsciously to seek out the source. If that makes sense.
Can you elaborate on how that may mean that memory restrictions will collapse after the Goddess' death?

swicked wrote:
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Spoiler:

Kippershy wrote:...Dear god, I'm listening to this stream of drawfags and this guy with the most obnoxious dork voice ever (you know, the one you imagine when you imagine someone with spotty face, glasses, lanky... that blocked nose sounding voice? that.)

and he's listing off all the ponies he's made Rainbowdash fuck in his draw-ventures... and of course... "my OC..." [as in, his].


Dear god. The amount of names he's listing is just... eugh.
He's exactly what people imagine when they think of bronies, it seems.

swicked wrote:

“Tell me there’s a secret cheat mode that kills my sense of pain?” I asked pathetically.

Blackjack hasn’t played a video game in her life; this statement is entirely incomprehensible.
There are no computers in MLP, and computers in Fallout were 80s future computers, being terminals that were strictly functional without any entertainment value. I just don’t agree with this.

swicked wrote:
Cheating at cards and reprogramming her brain to no longer recognize pain are two entirely different things and I can't imagine how she'd connect the two concepts naturally.

ketchup504 wrote:It is implied the door at least opened, and whatever happened had a profound effect on Blackjack. Or it could be something else that happened there. We don't know exactly. But it matters.

I think of it now that she homed on the source because the Goddess is very sensitive to enervation, so with the mutation in her brain, Blackjack put her knowledge of the pest-control rings with the Goddess' influence and sensitivity subconsciously to seek out the source. If that makes sense.
Can you elaborate on how that may mean that memory restrictions will collapse after the Goddess' death?

Caoimhe wrote:Video games are canon in ponyverse:

PIC
(with bonus sinisterbelle)

Indeed it's possible BJ ran across one in the stable or otherwise.

OneMoreDaySK wrote:

Caoimhe wrote:Video games are canon in ponyverse:

PIC
(with bonus sinisterbelle)

Indeed it's possible BJ ran across one in the stable or otherwise.

Methinks that's just a gag. Besides, machines like that would've probably been scrapped for electronic parts, seeing as everyone pretty much had a job in 99 and not too much time for entertainment aside from the card games.

swicked wrote:

ketchup504 wrote:

swicked wrote:

“Tell me there’s a secret cheat mode that kills my sense of pain?” I asked pathetically.

Blackjack hasn’t played a video game in her life; this statement is entirely incomprehensible.
There are no computers in MLP, and computers in Fallout were 80s future computers, being terminals that were strictly functional without any entertainment value. I just don’t agree with this.

While I see where you are going with this statement, cheating is consistent between almost all games, video or not. So it can make sense. Though, the use of a "cheat mode" is almost always used in video game context.
There is a text adventure you can play in FO3, however. I've read of it, though I've never played it.

Cheating at cards and reprogramming her brain to no longer recognize pain are two entirely different things and I can't imagine how she'd connect the two concepts naturally.

Caoimhe wrote:I could see it making sense. I'm thinking more into my theory that the Goddess is trying to more or less 'sedate' Blackjack by making her more intelligent and self aware since her erratic, impulsive behaviour is actually solving problems and getting things done.

FeatherDust wrote:
Right, that's what I'm saying. We don't know that it was The Door that opened; it could have been a different test, or a different door (like the one to Twi's study). But I think it was The Door, which P21 subsequently picked shut the mundane way. The reason I said something in there freaked her out is that they are worried about not letting her see the orb until she's stable. If it was nothing more than a revelation that she's Twilight's descendant, I can't imagine it being that big of a blow to her. Their concern suggests there's something in there that has the potential to destroy Blackjack if she's not in the right state of mind when she sees it.

The implication of all the "How the crap did I know to do that?!" was that the knowledge is still in her brain somewhere but being walled off by the Goddess's will. There was some concern earlier that the Goddess had actually removed the memories (as with a memory spell, completely gone and unrecoverable), but that seems not to be the case.

Furthermore, it seemed to me that the closer she got to the ring, the more her buried memories were surfacing, at least on a subconscious level; she seemed more and more sure about what to do even though she couldn't consciously determine why she knew. And if that's the case, then it means the mental manipulations of the Goddess require a continual connection to sustain them, and if she dies, the restrictions (such as the one stopping BJ from telling anyone that she's hooked up to the Unity and the one that blocks her knowledge about Enervation fields) will fall away as well.

ketchup504 wrote:

And if that's the case, then it means the mental manipulations of the Goddess require a continual connection to sustain them, and if she dies, the restrictions (such as the one stopping BJ from telling anyone that she's hooked up to the Unity and the one that blocks her knowledge about Enervation fields) will fall away as well.

Ah, okay I getcha.

ketchup504 wrote:

FeatherDust wrote:
Right, that's what I'm saying. We don't know that it was The Door that opened; it could have been a different test, or a different door (like the one to Twi's study). But I think it was The Door, which P21 subsequently picked shut the mundane way. The reason I said something in there freaked her out is that they are worried about not letting her see the orb until she's stable. If it was nothing more than a revelation that she's Twilight's descendant, I can't imagine it being that big of a blow to her. Their concern suggests there's something in there that has the potential to destroy Blackjack if she's not in the right state of mind when she sees it.

Exactly.

The implication of all the "How the crap did I know to do that?!" was that the knowledge is still in her brain somewhere but being walled off by the Goddess's will. There was some concern earlier that the Goddess had actually removed the memories (as with a memory spell, completely gone and unrecoverable), but that seems not to be the case.

Furthermore, it seemed to me that the closer she got to the ring, the more her buried memories were surfacing, at least on a subconscious level; she seemed more and more sure about what to do even though she couldn't consciously determine why she knew. And if that's the case, then it means the mental manipulations of the Goddess require a continual connection to sustain them, and if she dies, the restrictions (such as the one stopping BJ from telling anyone that she's hooked up to the Unity and the one that blocks her knowledge about Enervation fields) will fall away as well.

Ah, okay I getcha.

Caoimhe wrote:Video games are canon in ponyverse:
(with bonus sinisterbelle)

Indeed it's possible BJ ran across one in the stable or otherwise.

Cptadder wrote:

Caoimhe wrote:I could see it making sense. I'm thinking more into my theory that the Goddess is trying to more or less 'sedate' Blackjack by making her more intelligent and self aware since her erratic, impulsive behaviour is actually solving problems and getting things done.

My enemy is stupid, lucky and utterly without fear... I know I shall make her more intellegent because any sane pony would not have tried a dozen things she's done in the past. I'll stop her plans by making her smarter.

My Goddess that fiend! Does her villainy know no bounds?

swicked wrote:She didn’t know you were in the wasteland... the Blackjack sent out a message that essentially announced that you were, as well as where you are. What, did you expect her have ever looked for you when she didn’t know if you were in the wasteland at all? Please.
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Shut the heck up, Glory. You don’t get to pass judgments on her behavior until you’ve seen how she acts when she knows it’s you.

It always annoys me when best friends or soulmates can’t catch the other in obvious lies like this. Probably happens in real life as well as in every romance book or film since the genera was invented. He knows what he means to her. Maybe it’s just because they’re young, but that shouldn’t have worked and he’s daft to of fallen for it.

I understand the need to push onward with the narrative, but I wish you could have gone on a little bit longer with your description of Luna.

...huh. Has anyone actually been asking Somber about unicorn magic? Because all this stuff about unicorns being able to learn more than just a couple spells, I thought, was just common knowledge. It’s only EASIER for Twilight to learn lots of magic, not IMPOSSIBLE for other ponies to do the same.

She felt guilty because of the control the Goddess had over me!

Hmm, Blackjack just had a thought.
Which, as we all know, means she’s wrong... particularly because the reason involves Blackjack, and her friends have been oft known to say “You know, it isn’t always about you.” So I wonder what the real answer is?

“She did something to you. Something that’s hurt you more than you could ever realize. Something that’s almost killed you more than once. All for her own selfish gain,”

What is Lacunae capable of doing? Taking negative emotions.

And one that created wings… well… I got through the first paragraph about cocoons and metamorphosis when my eyes crossed and I thought it best to move on.

...how is this a book for beginners? Twilight, early in her prime, struggled with this spell. She said it was very complicated.

Maybe there was something my friends were keeping from me after all...

Woah woah woah woah woah.
Explain to me how the Goddess’s accusation that Lacunae was hiding something suddenly got transferred to ALL of Blackjack’s friends? Was that intentional?

What the frig is wrong with Dawn’s eyes? I swear, all I can think about when they mention her is this captain from one of the bleach episodes I've seen. I’ll post a picture.