Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:49 pm

nebulous wrote:Has anyone made a timeline of the events in Fallout: Equestria and/or Project Horizons?

Yeah, somebody posted an extensive timeline for both last time we were trying to figure out how long it was until the Goddess exploded. Unfortunately I think they only put it on this forum, and that was several resets ago. The wiki timeline is Fo:E only, doesn't cover much, and I don't remember how accurate it was.

by IncoherentOrange Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:10 pm

CamoBadger wrote:...just now realized I never noticed the thing between Blackjack and P-21

I'm so super...

I picked up on that straight away, myself.

swicked wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Nah, I mean if you're viewing a memory and your body dies.
Ah. Pretty sure you just die.
Littlepip used a memory orb to incapacitate an alicorn once, then kill her. Nothing particularly weird happened.

That you know of. That's potential fridge horror right there.

by **CamoBadger** Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:16 pm

Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...

by Ironmonger Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:18 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...

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by Randombuttons Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:32 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...

That sounds like it could result in interesting situations - if it doesn't affect the viewer's health, though, it's no more dangerous than a normal orb.

by O. Hinds Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:34 pm

Well, I just tried to log onto the PHCC Minecraft server, and, sadly, it is as I suspected: my residence hall internet connection kicked me off in under two minutes. Ah well. Perhaps once vacation begins I shall try again.

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:38 pm

O. Hinds wrote:Well, I just tried to log onto the PHCC Minecraft server, and, sadly, it is as I suspected: my residence hall internet connection kicked me off in under two minutes. Ah well. Perhaps once vacation begins I shall try again.

Maybe you should try for off-campus housing. Cheaper, better food, better rooms... unless you figure you'd have trouble getting to classes on time or you're getting free housing from a scholarship or something.

by Ironmonger Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:40 pm

swicked wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...
Why.
What part of these un-editable records of sensory perception strikes you as capable of recording pain if the pony's real body is feeling pain. The memory orbs actually cut off all other sensory input for the brain, overwriting it with their own set of perceptions, allowing them to be used as an anesthetic. Your headcanon is entirely baseless.

...Maybe he forgot...

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:41 pm

swicked wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...
Why.
What part of these un-editable records of sensory perception strikes you as capable of recording pain if the pony's real body is feeling pain. The memory orbs actually cut off all other sensory input for the brain, overwriting it with their own set of perceptions, allowing them to be used as an anesthetic. Your headcanon is entirely baseless.

Yeah, gotta side with swicked on this one. Orbs can't take any influence from their user once written. This is like saying if I got stabbed while reading PH, everyone else who ever read the story would feel a knife in them.

by Randombuttons Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:46 pm

swicked wrote:
Why.
What part of these un-editable records of sensory perception strikes you as capable of recording pain if the pony's real body is feeling pain. The memory orbs actually cut off all other sensory input for the brain, overwriting it with their own set of perceptions, allowing them to be used as an anesthetic. Your headcanon is entirely baseless.

Given how little we know about how their souls work, you can always say that the soul released from the victim has selfishly modified the memories in the orb.
I don't support this argument, but I can't exactly contradict it.

by Kattlarv Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:48 pm

@Icy: (Rampage) Ah, okies. Thought they might have, but wasn't sure.

@Valkik: (Pics) Was somewhat amusing... that reminds me, I actually wrote a scrip for a porn game a while back... it got "dumbed down" a bit to be "porny" enough, but just crossed my mind... and why do I smell something burnt?

@Camo: (what is going on?) I could answer that in several ways, but due to the nature of the statement, I will refrain from it.

@EP: Guys, you really have to slow down on the random rambling topics. I've got enough problems facepalming and sighing for various reasons to be keeping up with ~5 pages per day. xP

@Kipper: (derailment) Sorry, but actually too woozy and in a bad enough mood to not even bother trying to read that. It seemed like it could've been amusing though.

(Lord derailer) Eh, whatever, I've been nominated the "muff mistress" on multiple sites :P

@O.Hinds (Chapter) Thank Gummy... I really need a week off. Though this thread needs a chapter reset, about 70- 90 % of it's content is being constantly ignored, derailed, post jumping and what have you. So yeah... would technically need the reset but...

@Sindir: ... nah, just never mind. Not worth ranting about, (I do that more than enough already) if I really was the only to mention, then I guess it was just me that found it to be a bad storytelling/event, might should re-read it.

by 222222 Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:48 pm

@hindsminecraft: I take it you are Ris8 then?

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:52 pm

Randombuttons wrote:Given how little we know about how their souls work, you can always say that the soul released from the victim has selfishly modified the memories in the orb.
I don't support this argument, but I can't exactly contradict it.

In every instance where a person has died without previously having their soul bound to something (or ghoulifying), they've simply passed on without a trace. And there's no special connection between memory orbs and souls that would explain them altering that after never having touched any other aspect of the physical world, ever, in all the thousands of deaths we've seen in these stories. In fact it's indicated that the soul is specifically disconnected from memories in PH mythology; they're the domain of the mind and body. As previously stated, the theory is completely baseless. That's not to say that I have absolute proof that it can't possibly be true, but it is saying that there is absolutely no evidence that such a thing could happen and it's something that seems extraordinarily unlikely based on what we know.

by O. Hinds Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:56 pm

Sindri wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:Well, I just tried to log onto the PHCC Minecraft server, and, sadly, it is as I suspected: my residence hall internet connection kicked me off in under two minutes. Ah well. Perhaps once vacation begins I shall try again.
Maybe you should try for off-campus housing. Cheaper, better food, better rooms... unless you figure you'd have trouble getting to classes on time or you're getting free housing from a scholarship or something.

It's "or something." I shan't go into the details here, as they're a bit complicated and not terribly interesting.

Erumpet wrote:@hindsminecraft: I take it you are Ris8 then?

I am, yes.

by Randombuttons Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:04 pm

Sindri wrote:
In every instance where a person has died without previously having their soul bound to something (or ghoulifying), they've simply passed on without a trace. And there's no special connection between memory orbs and souls that would explain them altering that after never having touched any other aspect of the physical world, ever, in all the thousands of deaths we've seen in these stories. In fact it's indicated that the soul is specifically disconnected from memories in PH mythology; they're the domain of the mind and body. As previously stated, the theory is completely baseless. That's not to say that I have absolute proof that it can't possibly be true, but it is saying that there is absolutely no evidence that such a thing could happen and it's something that seems extraordinarily unlikely based on what we know.

I agree. Other than that, I don't see what the universe would gain from the addition of this "mechanic". Nevertheless, below I made up an explanation on the fly for the funzies.
Abandoning the body, the soul might feel unwilling to leave the world and latch onto the nearest container that can keep it in the physical realm, such as a memory orb - which has memories that are of the physical world but isn't actually occupied by a soul (it's not a living being) and thus can accomodate the soul. (Then the soul might add the last experience of reality its last body has seen (death) to the memory orb to make the stored reality contained within the memory orb personal and familiar. Or something.)

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:10 pm

Randombuttons wrote:Abandoning the body, the soul might feel unwilling to leave the world and latch onto the nearest container that can keep it in the physical realm, such as a memory orb - which has memories that are of the physical world but isn't actually occupied by a soul (it's not a living being) and thus can accomodate the soul. (Then the soul might add the last experience of reality its last body has seen (death) to the memory orb to make the stored reality contained within the memory orb personal and familiar. Or something.)

See, if a soul could latch onto an unrelated inanimate object of its own volition, we would be seeing a lot more haunted/possessed items around. The gun a raider was carrying when she died, Dusty's hat, random pebbles, it's own corpse... either a soul can't stay here without high powered necromancy, or it can't influence the material world in any way once it does (functionally identical, from this side of the veil at least). It makes no sense for a memory orb to be an exception to the rule, since souls and memories are considered separate by Somber's 'Verse (as evidenced by Blackjack's deaths, and allowing for reincarnation without excessive shenanigans).

by Randombuttons Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:18 pm

Sindri wrote:
See, if a soul could latch onto an unrelated inanimate object of its own volition, we would be seeing a lot more haunted/possessed items around. The gun a raider was carrying when she died, Dusty's hat, random pebbles, it's own corpse... either a soul can't stay here without high powered necromancy, or it can't influence the material world in any way once it does (functionally identical, from this side of the veil at least). It makes no sense for a memory orb to be an exception to the rule, since souls and memories are considered separate by Somber's 'Verse (as evidenced by Blackjack's deaths, and allowing for reincarnation without excessive shenanigans).

The gun of a raider doesn't carry the representation of the phyical world in itself in magical form like I'd assume a filled memory orb does. Rather than effecting the strictly material world, it causes changes in the magic (and world inside) of the orb.
I'm talking of memories as the soul's ties to the current reality, not as a part of the soul - something the soul might be able to transfer into the memory orb.
Yeah, the soul transfering memories of a now dead body into an orb doesn't make any sense indeed.
Pendrive pony souls: make it happen!

by **CamoBadger** Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:24 pm

swicked wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:Headcanon could be that the orb becomes 'trapped' and the next one to view it feels the pain of whoever died while viewing it...
Why.
What part of these un-editable records of sensory perception strikes you as capable of recording pain if the pony's real body is feeling pain. The memory orbs actually cut off all other sensory input for the brain, overwriting it with their own set of perceptions, allowing them to be used as an anesthetic. Your headcanon is entirely baseless.

I'm not saying their actual body feels pain, but their mind would feel it, like how BJ did when she looked into Deus' memory orb.

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:28 pm

Randombuttons wrote:The gun of a raider doesn't carry the representation of the phyical world in itself in magical form like I'd assume a filled memory orb does...

I don't think a memory orb contains a mini world; I'm pretty sure that it's just a record of the sensory inputs of the subject during the time in question.

CamoBadger wrote:I'm not saying their actual body feels pain, but their mind would feel it, like how BJ did when she looked into Deus' memory orb.

Yes, the pain experience by the person the memory came from when it was first stored. Not the pain of everyone who ever touched it.

by **CamoBadger** Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:32 pm

Sindri wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:I'm not saying their actual body feels pain, but their mind would feel it, like how BJ did when she looked into Deus' memory orb.
Yes, the pain experience by the person the memory came from when it was first stored. Not the pain of everyone who ever touched it.

This is true...but...I don't even know where I'm going with this...or why I even thought of that idea...probably because I haven't had enough to drink today...

Anyways, that thought really doesn't have any support. Though now I'm curious as to what would happen...probably they just die, just like they would outside the memory, or when someone dies in their sleep. Oh well, not everything can be all creepy and spooky in FO:E.

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:33 pm

swicked wrote:And, you know, the rest of the senses (sense of temperature, sense of balance, etc.).

I still say temperature is part of touch. You can break it down into temperature and pressure as separate senses, but both are touch.

by Randombuttons Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:43 pm

swicked wrote:
Are you saying a soul could haunt a VHS tape? An audio tape or a picture? Because that's all a memory orb is: sight, sound, smell, taste and touch.
And, you know, the rest of the senses (sense of temperature, sense of balance, etc.).

I wish souls would haunt VHS tapes! No, I just theorized that the magic of the orb and the magic of the soul might be of a similar consistency, if that means anything. Just trying to see if that idea of affecting memory orbs via death someone brought up could work.
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by OneMoreDaySK Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:09 pm

Speaking of memory orbs, do y'all think they ever came up with a way to record thoughts instead of memories? Don't say diary/log/audio log please.

by Sindri Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:12 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Speaking of memory orbs, do y'all think they ever came up with a way to record thoughts instead of memories? Don't say diary/log/audio log please.

Must have. That's how Littlepip told her story and got it written down.

by Vergil Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:21 pm

Sindri wrote:(as evidenced by Blackjack's deaths, and allowing for reincarnation without excessive shenanigans).

Just seeing death in plural in that sentence makes me feel bad for BJ.

by Guest Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:24 pm

Randombuttons wrote:
swicked wrote:
Are you saying a soul could haunt a VHS tape? An audio tape or a picture? Because that's all a memory orb is: sight, sound, smell, taste and touch.
And, you know, the rest of the senses (sense of temperature, sense of balance, etc.).
I wish souls would haunt VHS tapes! No, I just theorized that the magic of the orb and the magic of the soul might be of a similar consistency, if that means anything. Just trying to see if that idea of affecting memory orbs via death someone brought up could work.
I guess it doesn't.

Ever seen V/H/S? It's pretty great, if you're into dark, shakycam, short-form horror. One of the shorts kinda sucked, and one wasn't as bleak as the others, but I enjoyed the film as a whole quite a lot.

As for souls inhabiting objects, I do like this idea - hauntings and such, part of people/ponies becoming attached to an object that they were "attached" to in life, haunting it or granting it strange properties. This was always my headcanon for how special, named equipment that wasn't physically modified worked in the Fallout games. However, that's not to say that this works with FOE; just that I like the idea. :)

by OneMoreDaySK Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:51 pm

Going to check out Kipp's posts now. Hope there's nothing too... Nevermind, just wish me luck. And keep a bottle of brain bleach around just in case please.

*edit* Got to the point where CamoBadger NO'd Kip. It was...um... decent. Some nice touches here and there. Not sure if it was intentional, but there was a possible reference to a Ray Bradbury book. Plot was a bit cliche though. Why him? It kinda left me similar to the My Little Dashie thing, where bland protagonist had a dull life until suddenly Pony intervention. And nothing in life is interesting, and goes by like a blur. And her being surprised about the weather? What about the Everfree? Ugh... could go on.

Do I even want to touch that spoiler?

by Stringtheory Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:26 am

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Going to check out Kipp's posts now. Hope there's nothing too... Nevermind, just wish me luck. And keep a bottle of brain bleach around just in case please.

*edit* Got to the point where CamoBadger NO'd Kip. It was...um... decent. Some nice touches here and there. Not sure if it was intentional, but there was a possible reference to a Ray Bradbury book. Plot was a bit cliche though. Why him? It kinda left me similar to the My Little Dashie thing, where bland protagonist had a dull life until suddenly Pony intervention. And nothing in life is interesting, and goes by like a blur. And her being surprised about the weather? What about the Everfree? Ugh... could go on.

Do I even want to touch that spoiler?

If you like you like clop/erotic scenes maybe

by Cptadder Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:28 am

Ironmonger wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:I'm not sure...definitely not as common as they were during the war, but I think you could find one or two laying around, especially around a place which saw as many attacks as the Hoof.
Thanks, I'm trying to gather some tid bits of information to develop a decent artillery/vehicle doctrine for an army set in FoE. Everything needs to be just so.

Remember the main problem with large tank armories in FoE, distance between the two sides. Tanks are little use when you need to move them a thousand miles to fight the nearest enemies. Also we know from tactics mentioned in FoE all sorts of RL equivalents did not exist. Pegasus power armor makes little sense if the Zebras have a ZSU equivalent with 30mm autocannons. Even something as basic a Oerlikon 20mm AA mount seems to have been limited to static defenses. Of course the amount of work required to get something like a Polsteen constructed requires all sorts of fiddly monkey men hand work and without Unicorns to do the detail work the Zebras would have to rely on those with hands (Gyphons) to do any kind of small scale detail work.

So did the Zebras have tanks, yes but they constructed interwar style WWI-WWII tanks. These are not T-90s, not even T-34s these are T-28s. Big slabs of armor with multiple turrets designed to shoot in all directions. Keep that in mind tanks are going to be big crude things if seen. Ungainly illogical designs because Pony tanks are going to be rare as they relied directly on robots and Steel Rangers rather than mounting a serious armored force. After all a Thunderhead can lift a platoon of Steel Rangers and their equipment but can't even lift more than three or four T-28 crazy pony tank equivilants.

O. Hinds wrote:Well, I just tried to log onto the PHCC Minecraft server, and, sadly, it is as I suspected: my residence hall internet connection kicked me off in under two minutes. Ah well. Perhaps once vacation begins I shall try again.

Erumpet wrote:@hindsminecraft: I take it you are Ris8 then?

What is the issue with your residence hall murdering your connect, is it just designed for web surfing only or some such?

by Admiral Stoic Rum Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:34 am

I do this for science

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