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Post by swicked on Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:47 am

O. Hinds wrote:By the way, any hypotheses on the origins of the Elements of Harmony?
Just a sort of vague one that likens them to the Legend of Zelda's triforce.
Relics of existence, embodiment of the creators/gods, portals to the sacred realm, stuff like that.
Simplifying my junk significantly the harmony effect acts as a sort of reset button to restore the paradise the world was first created with. A garden of eden.
The world's meant to be able to progress, though, so it's meant to be a sort of last resort. The incredibly slow development the 1000 years peace has lead to is an example of their influence in the hooves of Celestia.
They're not something that're particularly meant to be used (they were simply created in the aftermath of creation, again like the triforce) but, alicorns being alicorns, it is.
It's kind of like a grand scheme and I don't know quite how to explain it yet. I've been working on a poem that's meant to, though, so... yeah. That's it.

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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:05 am

I thought those were pieces of the rainbow bridge...
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Origins of the Elements of Harmony, I'd like to think they came from the same place Celestia and Luna came from, like the "nice" stars used their powers and gave them to Celestia as a way to combat Nightmare Moon, but then they turned their power off for her so that she wouldn't have a point /click solution to every problem and become lazy or corrupt with power, and the stars only turned the elements back on when they were able to get the right mix of ponies together that would balance each other out soul-wise and prevent one archetype from taking the power and going nuts with it, either that or they got turned back on when they sensed a "disturbance in the force" or something, it could even be a combination of the two.

Come to think of it though, that isn't really the best explanation for why the elements turned off for Celestia, and never got turned back off again since they turned back on again in the beginning of FiM.

I have a hunch that Celestia had some dirty laundry that got lost to history at some point, that's the best I got at the moment, I'll give it some more thought tomorrow after I get back from work and rest some.

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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:55 am

I want to contribute something too but I don't know what...I could come up with explanations on how various technology works and fill in 'canon gaps', tends to be my strong point. You guys put up with my shit enough so I may as well help out.

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Post by Cptadder on Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:35 am

O. Hinds wrote:By the way, any hypotheses on the origins of the Elements of Harmony?

Easy!
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I'm always willing to believe that Zordon is somehow involved whenever five to six color coded individuals get superpowers from magical crystals.
But yes aside from ancient heads in tubes I'm going with primeval artifacts given their shape changing nature and elemental properties.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:11 am

OBS.GS.§S wrote:Origins of the Elements of Harmony, I'd like to think they came from the same place Celestia and Luna came from, like the "nice" stars used their powers and gave them to Celestia as a way to combat Nightmare Moon, but then they turned their power off for her so that she wouldn't have a point /click solution to every problem and become lazy or corrupt with power, and the stars only turned the elements back on when they were able to get the right mix of ponies together that would balance each other out soul-wise and prevent one archetype from taking the power and going nuts with it, either that or they got turned back on when they sensed a "disturbance in the force" or something, it could even be a combination of the two.

Come to think of it though, that isn't really the best explanation for why the elements turned off for Celestia, and never got turned back off again since they turned back on again in the beginning of FiM.

I have a hunch that Celestia had some dirty laundry that got lost to history at some point, that's the best I got at the moment, I'll give it some more thought tomorrow after I get back from work and rest some.

IIRC Celestia and Luna wielded them together to stop Discord the first time around, at least according to her in the start of S2. I figure once she was alone she could use them to some degree but not fully, which is why she could only seal her sister away instead of ending the Nightmare herself, and why she needed Twilight and co for the role. Over the thousand years they were apart and had their connection with the Elements broken, the enchantments Luna and Celestia had forged gradually weakened leading to Discord's big escape (and probably many other problems down the line).


As for their ultimate origin we still don't have any information. The Stars do seem like a probable source, but the Elements definitely arrived before the Princesses' empire began...

And as for function, they seem to be similar to a megaspell matrix, but much more flexible, more precise, and harder to use. Only those who embody the virtues of the Elements can bond with them, but then even a single pony properly bonded (like Celestia alone) can use them to focus and maybe even amplify their power, and a group seems to be able to feed all their inherent magic into a single caster for extremely powerful effects. With the penalty that as the connections between the Bearers weaken, so do the effects they created, and eventually the Elements will seek new Bearers.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:41 am

UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac

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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:43 am

Ironmonger wrote:UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac
good thing it's Istanbul now, wait a minute, I-stand-bulls...never mind, I got nothing...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:49 am

stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac
good thing it's Istanbul now, wait a minute, I-stand-bulls...never mind, I got nothing...

Welcome to my mind buddy. Twilight crazy

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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:54 am

Ironmonger wrote:
stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac
good thing it's Istanbul now, wait a minute, I-stand-bulls...never mind, I got nothing...

Welcome to my mind buddy. Twilight crazy
ah so that would explain why all this porn is here Trollestia
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:56 am

stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:
stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac
good thing it's Istanbul now, wait a minute, I-stand-bulls...never mind, I got nothing...

Welcome to my mind buddy. Twilight crazy
ah so that would explain why all this porn is here Trollestia

I'm going to admit that the entire committee of the Ironmind went blank when they read that. This scandal is all over the Ironnews and some are trying to get them out of office. Crazy

Committee Member #2:"That's some good litera-" *gunshot*

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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:58 am

Ironmonger wrote:
stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:
stringtheory wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:UNRELATED, READ AT RISK OF YOUR SANITY.

I just thought of something. Constantinople, Can't-stand-to-know-Poles. Constantine you racist. Big mac
good thing it's Istanbul now, wait a minute, I-stand-bulls...never mind, I got nothing...

Welcome to my mind buddy. Twilight crazy
ah so that would explain why all this porn is here Trollestia

I'm going to admit that the entire committee of the Ironmind went blank when they read that. This scandal is all over the Ironnews and some are trying to get them out of office. Crazy
Then let it be known that I support the Ironcrats
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:11 am

I just remembered a flaw I found in Kkat's story. When Pip is escaping Fillydelphia, it is mentioned that one of the slavers set up a 'chain gun'. I'm going to assume that Kkat meant minigun/gatling gun, but for the sake of creativity anyone feel free to exploit that.

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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:34 am

A gun that shoots shackles on chains? Or maybe a gun with the chain-lightning effect: bullets fork out on contact until it can't penetrate anymore? ... Shutting up now.
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Post by Sindri on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:37 am

It could just be a chain gun. In a fixed encampment it would likely be impractical expensive overkill, but it's far from impossible.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:41 am

Sindri wrote:It could just be a chain gun. In a fixed encampment it would likely be impractical expensive overkill, but it's far from impossible.

True but from what I gathered it seemed like it would take too long for it to be an actual chain gun unless it was a 20mm or something in that range. Seems a little odd someone would use that at close range, I'd expect it more as a fixed emplacement on a wall or tower.

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Post by Ketchup on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:53 am

Ironmonger wrote:I just remembered a flaw I found in Kkat's story. When Pip is escaping Fillydelphia, it is mentioned that one of the slavers set up a 'chain gun'. I'm going to assume that Kkat meant minigun/gatling gun, but for the sake of creativity anyone feel free to exploit that.
Sindri wrote:It could just be a chain gun. In a fixed encampment it would likely be impractical expensive overkill, but it's far from impossible.
That's what I thought of when you mentioned it. The only practical use of such a weapon would be against large creatures or airborne targets like dragons, I'd think.

Although using it on ground troops isn't impossible. Just not very subtle and would probably be quite messy.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:03 am

In that scene I always imagined something like a Vulcan or M-134. An autocannon would be an anti-vehicular weapon.

Also imagine P-21 voiced by Patrick Warburton

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Post by Caoimhe on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:07 am

Please, P-21 would be voiced by Bill Murray, obviously.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:09 am

The idea of Pat voicing any of the FoE characters makes me laugh heartily. He would be best suited voicing someone like Roidrage.

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Post by Caoimhe on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:10 am

Actually, I change my vote, P-21 should be voiced by Ira Glass, the sexiest man in radio.


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Post by Sindri on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:10 am

Ironmonger wrote:In that scene I always imagined something like a Vulcan or M-134. An autocannon would be an anti-vehicular weapon.
Chainguns are a category of weapons; they include 25-35mm anti-vehicular autocannons but 7.62mm rifle rounds are used too. Meanwhile a Vulcan is a 20mm rotary cannon and far too big for the purpose, and the M-134 is a Vulcan scaled down to those same 7.62mm rounds but at about 4-12x the rate of fire of a normal chaingun, which would be even more expensive overkill.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:12 am

Sindri wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:In that scene I always imagined something like a Vulcan or M-134. An autocannon would be an anti-vehicular weapon.
Chainguns are a category of weapons; they include 25-35mm anti-vehicular autocannons but 7.62mm rifle rounds are used too. Meanwhile a Vulcan is a 20mm rotary cannon and far too big for the purpose, and the M-134 is a Vulcan scaled down to those same 7.62mm rounds but at about triple the rate of fire of a normal chaingun.

I know, I'm getting stuff mixed up again. Weapons is my amateur field of expertise (oxymoron right?) in my group of friends. My little hiccups are mistake I make and don't notice until after I post. My reaction is usually a combination of FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU and Scootaloo because it makes me look ignorant and stupid. How

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Post by Meleagridis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:26 am

swicked wrote:...there was a diamond dog empire? I was under the impression there were merely tribes of them around large gem deposits.

I don't know if this is what put it into Hinds' brain, but the background in the Temple of Doom for the Indiana Jones Indiana Jones if Indiana Jones was an Indiana Jones pony episode had weird statues that looked like diamond dogs. Some fans have drawn their own conclusions on the matter.

Speaking of those conclusions, when are we going to get a book of the Hindsbrain headcanon? Don't lie to us- we know there is enough there to fill at least one damn book. Ever consider writing a 'Revised Wasteland Survival Guide: For the Modern Post-Post-Apocalyptic?'
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Post by Ketchup on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:29 am

Sindri wrote:
Chainguns are a category of weapons; they include 25-35mm anti-vehicular autocannons but 7.62mm rifle rounds are used too.
True dat, but it would be much simpler to have conventional gas-operated 7.62 weapons than use a chain gun, especially since such designs are meant for use in Co-ax mounts on AFVs.

Another thing, Littlepip probably didn't even know what a chain gun is. I don't remember them being mentioned or used by any opponents. I didn't know of this incident until it was mentioned here, must have skimmed it.
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Post by Cptadder on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:26 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Actually, I change my vote, P-21 should be voiced by Ira Glass, the sexiest man in radio.
I second and vote against your vote, Ira Glass from This American Life would make a hilarious P-21... if he has the vocal range to scream in terror, to raped, explode people and hit Blackjack which I don't think Ira does.

@Chain-gun disscussion
Sometimes the easiest explanation is the correct one, it's a typo and/or Kkat does not know what a chaingun is.
Her gun knowledge demonstrated the same flaws that the Fallout verse has as far as calibers and guns went.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:51 pm

That's what I was trying to say. However I fully intend on exploiting this. CHAINGUNS FOR THE WASTELAND! Rainbow Dash Twilight Twilight crazy

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Post by Caoimhe on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:54 pm

I know it's yer thing but I doubt the accurate depiction of weapons is one of the lower priorities in this tale of post apocalypse sentient ponies.

Also chaingun is a pretty common thing for any portable fictional Gatling gun going as far back as wolfenstein 3d in 1992, probably further.
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Post by Ironmonger on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:55 pm

I tend to use weapons as plot devices so I put pretty high priority on them personally. At this point I should change my avatar to a machine gun gif or something.

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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:04 pm

A chain gun is a type of machine gun or autocannon that uses an external source of power, rather than diverting energy from the cartridge, to cycle the weapon, and does so via a continuous loop of chain similar to that used on a motorcycle or bicycle.

Essentially they won't jam on a misfire because the misfired carriage is merely ejected since the gun does not require the gas blowback for the continuation of the firing cycle.

Their ammunition types vary from 7.62 mm to anti vehicular rounds. So it is reasonable to label the 5 mm mini gun because it is motor driven. it can be easy to assume that this was kkats intent
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