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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Meleagridis on Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:58 am

Cripes, swicked! I woke people up with that laughter. Be more careful.
Seriously, though, I don't think anything will ever eclipse this for my favourite and accepted RD-fate headcanon.

swicked wrote:
Way back when we were talking fable logic:
Eh, it's mostly just not addressed. The enclave wouldn't have any cause  to tell the wasteland that the sun is getting dimmer or if the stars were getting old and falling out of the sky. How much are stars referred to in FoE at all? What if there were only a couple left? Would anyone on the ground notice? They could potentially not have anywhere near the longevity of the moon's "orbit".
Alternatively, the rest of the world could just still be doing its part and so everything could still be working as it should... after all, only Equestria and the zebra lands were particularly affected by this.

You just gotta wonder what the role of the zebra were. I'd like to think they were just as important as the equestrians yet, again, not in a way that would necessarily be noticed.
Like... maybe they were originally responsible for the species. I think the greeks had some mythology about the gods and titans making the species out of clay. Prometheus made man of it, at least. Maybe the zebra would make them of clay, then breathe life into them. There's now fewer than a couple dozen species left in equestria and, in zebra lands where the magic and raw matter of life are rich, there have given rise to monsters beyond imagining. Kkat's canon is that there are terrible monsters in that land, but simply calling them "terrible" could be a vast understatement.

...of course, the ability to make the species in the first place could be the very reason zebra alchemy is possible. If they knew how to give abilities and traits to new species, they could potentially reverse-engineer the magic to give themselves the aspects of such creatures. Sometimes the life-crafting would be temporary, like with the bloodwing fetish and etc. that would give the user wings like a bloodwing's. Other times it would be more permanent, like all the bonuses Littlepip got after she joined up with Xenith.

See, as much as I love that sort of logic I have to confess that it doesn't conform all that well to FoE. While a giant holding up the sky or zebras cooking life in kilns might be the norm for other FiM derivatives (or even the show itself sometimes) the FoE setting doesn't make the most use of these fantastic twists of lore-logic. The single example I can really remember is the way clouds work, even getting wired into machines. Kind of cool and also on the right track... but not quite enough, I think.

Of course, my memory of the original is roughly the same consistency as watery chicken soup, so maybe I just can't remember enough.

O. Hinds wrote: narrative causality is not among [FoE's] laws of physics.

Oh if I wasn't leaving in two minutes I'd get all huffy!
Well not really. But I would disagree, wholeheartedly in fact! Grumpy Pie knows that you can rationalize Pinkie Sense all you want in all sorts of ways- but nothing will change that it is there because a few writers (and presumably a very young Lauren Faust) thought it would be funny.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:54 pm

swicked wrote:I thought I'd post my favorite, and longest-held, headcanon in the thread. Specifically, what I think happened to Rainbow Dash.
What kkat wrote:
“Pinkie Pie?” Rainbow Dash’s voice floated up from the monitor.  I shifted back to see the rather bedraggled cyan pegasus walking into the basement.  The security camera zoomed in, following her.  “You here?”

“Pinkie Pie?” she tried again, sounding so small in the vast room.  “I brought them, just like you asked.  What’s this about?”

Her words echoed off the walls.  The light of hope in her wide eyes slowly diminished.

Rainbow Dash stopped a few yards in front of the shield, the magical light painting shadows across her features as she looked around.  “You weren’t kidding about the health potions, by the way.  I’m down to my last one, and I still need to make it out of that pink stew outside.  That stuff is… awful.”

The room remained still and silent.  The light in her eyes went out entirely, her expression becoming painfully sad.  “You’re not here, are you?” Rainbow Dash asked the emptiness around her.  “I guess that means you didn’t make it either.”

Rainbow Dash stepped solemnly through the shield.  She walked up to the little pedestal sitting at its center and the memory orb box resting upon it, its lid slightly ajar.  Rainbow Dash nudged it open with her nose, revealing three memory orbs and spaces for three more.  The second, third and fifth were missing.

“I don’t know what you needed these for, or who this Littlepip you mentioned in your note is, but I hope it’s as important as you said it is,” Rainbow Dash frowned, her voice soft and sad.  She reached into her saddle bags and pulled a memory orb out with her teeth, gently setting it in the spot reserved for the butterfly orb.

“Wasn’t easy getting these things, especially with Gilda on my tail.  But even she isn’t brave enough to follow me into what’s become of Canterlot.  Much less my own Ministry.”  She put the star orb into its resting place.  “But she’s waiting for me out there, and after that pink crap, I’m not sure I can take her.”  

Rainbow Dash fished the final memory orb, the one to be placed in the holder with her own cutie mark.  She paused, staring at the little emblem of the cloud and its rainbow lightning bolt.  Then sighed and put the orb into its place.  

Rainbow Dash shifted her attention to the orb in the fourth holder.  The balloon orb.  “But I trust you.  You know that.  You said this was important, and I believe you  And I wouldn’t leave my friend hanging.  Even… even after she was…”  the last word was barely a whisper, “…gone.”  

A single tear trailed down her cheek as she gave a weary smirk.  “One last prank, right?  Together as always.”  

She lifted a hoof and pressed the orb box closed, the click of the lock loud in the sepulcher room.

I reached out and touched the monitor screen, tears welling in my own eyes.

Rainbow Dash turned and started to walk away.  As she reached the inside of the shield, she stopped.  Her face screwed up with determination.

“But you know what, Pinkie?  Since you’re not here, I’m changing the rules.”  Rainbow Dash spun around and trotted over to the maneframe on the far side of the shielded area.  “If somepony comes poking around in here, I want to know.  I’m setting an alarm to go off in every Ministry of Awesome hub.  If I’m still alive, I want to meet this Littlepip of yours.”  

Dash paused.  “Sorry Pinks,” she said, looking back over her shoulder.  “I hope you don’t mind.”  

I watched the rest of the recording in stunned, comprehending silence.
What I wrote:
I looked at the door leading out to the pink stew with no small amount of apprehension. At a flat out dive through the stuff it’d taken me two health potions just to be able to move again, and now I only had one left and the MoA had nothing in regard to healing. Lots of this covert crap, but I had a feeling the massive cloud of poison couldn’t really be fooled by a couple high-end invisibility spells.
And then there’d still be Gilda.
“Gezz, Pinkie... could we of stopped this? Is there something I could have done? I know we all ragged on you about your mentats abuse but, honestly, you were still trying your hardest to save everyone, just like the rest of us, up until... sniff... the end.”
I just fell on my butt and sniffed a little. I’d never cry. Not ever. But... for the first time... I felt old. Really, really old. My friends were probably all dead. Pinkie, Applejack, Rarity, Twilight, Fluttershy... oh gosh, and I hope Spike was still okay. I mean, I could spend the rest of my life looking for them, hoping they’d survived somehow, but... I’m just not going to live that long. I just can’t go back out there. What am I going to do? Reaching into a side compartment of my power armor I got out the little audio recording Pinkie had had delivered to me with the note pleading I come down here. I slot it into my pipbuck. At least I’d get to hear my best friend for a few more minutes before... well, the inevitable.
“Cheer up, Dashie!”
I could almost smile. Instead, I closed my eyes, trying to remember her bouncing pink face barely a hair’s width away from mine. She never really did grasp the concept of personal space.
“Hi Pinks.”
“Now, I know everything sucks right now, but believe me, it’ll get better, I Pinkie Pie Promise!” she sang out in that sing-song voice of hers.
I smiled a little. Just for her. It was nice, pretending she was still here, if only for a few more minutes.
“SO! You put the memory orbs in the case, right? Littlepip’s gonna get a kick out of those. Now I bet you’re wondering ‘What do I do now, Pinkie? Everything’s all screwed up!’.”
“You could say that again.” I replied, chuckling. The audio recording skipped.
“’What do I do now, Pinkie? Everything’s all screwed up!’ Well, I got this great idea. Something I KNOW you’re gonna love.”
“What’s that?” I asked, ruefully. I knew she wasn’t there, but... well, I was pretending she was, and it’d be rude not to make the occasional reply, right?
“Kay, so, over in your MoA-approved Judiciously Unified, Numerically Cataloged pile 6 is a special long-range broadcaster your sneaky sneak guys developed, right?
“Yeah, the radio cone. It allowed for directed broadcasts over long distances so that we could either transmit propaganda messages over selected areas of the zebra empire or just send out general interference into an area without affecting our own radios.”
“Yes, yes, I’m sure you know the one I’m talking about. Now, what I think you should do is use it.”
“Wha?”
“You remember those books you used to love? The ones about Daring Do? Well, with all the fire down there... it’s not gonna be too much longer before stories about heroes are going to be in short supply. And ponies are gonna need em, Dashie. They’re gonna need ‘em bad.”
“Pinkie, I don’t have any of those books up here with me, though. I mean, I’ve PRACTICALLY memorized them, but that doesn’t mean I can recall them from memory word for word! I’m not Twilight, for crying out loud...”
“Set your transmitter for Tenpony Tower and the radio hub in the MoAS at its top. Nobody will be listening yet... but they will be, before long. Please do this, Dashie. You don’t know what it’ll mean to them.”
“I guess I could try and remember... heh, I could even throw in a few stories of my own, huh? Rainbow Dash and Daring Doo... Rainbow Doo?” *snort* “Hahaha, yeah, no. Daring Dash? I mean, I’d need a pseudonym anyway... I doubt anypony would be too happy listening to one of the mares that caused... all of this...” *sniff*
“That’s the spirit, Dashie! I knew you could do it! I believe in you! And... well, I have to be going now, okay? The recorder’s almost out. Just remember your friends, Dashie. We’ll always be with you.”
“I know, Pinkie. I know...” I replied, suddenly feeling very alone.
“...oh! And one more thing: bless you! *click*”
“What do you... ahhh CHOO!” I sneezed, a cloud of dust kicking up. Blinking through the haze I could only wonder how... oh, right. Pinkie Pie.
It only took me a little while to find the broadcaster, even if it took for-freaking-ever to get it all set up and working... darn unicorn manual writers... zeroing in on my broadcast target was easy enough, though. The MoA had plenty of junk around for tracking broadcasts and the Tenpony Tower station was already running an oddly uplifting emergency broadcast on loop, even if no one was at the controls.
“Duck... and cover! Duck... and cover!”
Checking out my rations, I figured I only had a few days’ worth left, if I could even last that long. I’d been feeling worse and worse... my lungs burning and the occasional bloody cough. Even my voice was messed up, a bit deeper and more gravely, like I had a cold. Heh, I almost sounded like a buck, for crying out loud. I guess even healing potions couldn’t completely protect from that pink mess outside. Taking small sips of my last potion every few hours seemed to help, but it was growing worse and I no longer had any doubt I wouldn’t have made it back up to the clouds.
I clicked on the broadcaster and my pipbuck recorder. When I was done I could set it on repeat just to make sure those ponies down there heard the lot as many times as possible. The power cell on these pipbucks are supposed to be near-infinite, right?
“Ahem... Greetings, everypony! You’re listening to the adventures of me, Daring Dash!”
...heh, you know what? Pinkie was right.
This was going to be AWESOME!!!
What I wrote before what I wrote above:
You’re listening to the adventures of me, Daring Dash, and my ghoul mare-servant, Quilt!
Today’s episode:
Daring Dash and the Zebra Clash!

Daring Dash: Well, Quilt, there certainly are some clear skies today!
Quilt: What are ya talkin’ about, Daring? These clouds are nearly as thick as I am!
Daring Dash: Ha, good one, my malodorous mare-servant! I meant that, for once, nobody seems to be shooting at us.
Quilt: Oy, nock on wood, Daring. I need another bullet wound like I need a hole in the head. *BANG* Ow! Speak of the devil!
Daring Dash: Right you are, Quilt, old chum! Look down there, it’s that zebra fiend, X!
Quilt: You’d think she could be a little more creative with her nicknames, huh? Uh oh, my lock-on belt is going off!
Daring Dash: Oh deary, yes, it looks like that striped swine is hefting a surface to air missile and X is marking our spot!
Quilt: I think it’s about time for some evasive maneuvers, boss.
Daring Dash: Right you are! While I perform my signature filly flash, fly down there and give her what for, eh? Here I go!
Boom! Wow! Sparkle! Crash boom bang!
X: Oh, it’s so beautiful, even my evil zebra sensibilities are no match for Daring’s astounding acrobatic abilities!
Quilt: Right you are, buddy. Judo chop!
Daring Dash: Haha, how do you like that, you rapscallion rotter? I hope she didn’t give you any trouble...
Quilt: It was a piece of cake, boss; I think this mare’s got the hots for you.
Daring Dash: And who wouldn’t! Come along now, though, we have to get her back to the tower for interrogation. If the zebra have gotten their hands on ordinance as heavy as that SAM, we’re in for a lot of trouble!
X: You already are, darling. My stallions are already getting into position. By the time you get me back to the tower it’ll already be too late!
Daring Dash: Too late for what, you fastidiously felonious filly fiend?!
X: That’s for me to know and you to find out, darling...

Stay tuned for the next episode of Daring Dash, the Return of the Zebra, coming soon to airwaves near you!
Hah!

Swicked wrote:Judiciously Unified, Numerically Cataloged
:D

Meleagridis wrote:Oh if I wasn't leaving in two minutes I'd get all huffy!
Well not really. But I would disagree, wholeheartedly in fact! Grumpy Pie knows that you can rationalize Pinkie Sense all you want in all sorts of ways- but nothing will change that it is there because a few writers (and presumably a very young Lauren Faust) thought it would be funny.
That's a Doylist explanation, though.  In order for narrative causality to be among FoE's laws of physics, it would have to be part of a Watsonian explanation.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by swicked on Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:08 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
Swicked wrote:Judiciously Unified, Numerically Cataloged
:D
I like to imagine Twilight going on a tour of the MoA warehouse, complaining to Rainbow about the fact that they just threw everything into piles of "weapons", "explosives", "sciency-stuff", "covert stuff", "really expensive covert stuff", etc., and Rainbow telling a subordinate to spray paint a number in front of each pile before making up the acronym on the spot.

Edit:
Actually, better yet, Twilight complains about it throughout her first tour of the facility, returns for a second a few months later to see exactly how much effort Rainbow Dash put into answering her complaints, then decides not to tour any MoA facilities ever again :P

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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:27 pm

swicked wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:
Swicked wrote:Judiciously Unified, Numerically Cataloged
:D
I like to imagine Twilight going on a tour of the MoA warehouse, complaining to Rainbow about the fact that they just threw everything into piles of "weapons", "explosives", "sciency-stuff", "covert stuff", "really expensive covert stuff", etc., and Rainbow telling a subordinate to spray paint a number in front of each pile before making up the acronym on the spot.

Edit:
Actually, better yet, Twilight complains about it throughout her first tour of the facility, returns for a second a few months later to see exactly how much effort Rainbow Dash put into answering her complaints, then decides not to tour any MoA facilities ever again :P
Hahahaha!
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:32 pm

That's what I'd call a one strike two wins for Rainbow Dash, here. Spike

Also, Swicked, I like the idea that

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Rainbow Dash may have been the very first "DJ Pon-3". I may re-use some of that in that fic idea I have - at least the idea that not even a few weeks after the bombs fell someone may have started using the SPP's broadcast facilities.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:09 pm

Lil'bit of headcannonering 'bout the Days of Fire...


From the few FOE fics I've read, I've kind of got the impression that, at least as far as the survivors two hundred years later are concerned, everything kinda went down the shitter in the span of a single day when the nukes megaspells went off. Well, I guess they have good reasons to believe so, namely the fact that for all they know the only ones who survived that episodes were the stable ponies, the steel rangers, those feathered bastards up there, and the ghouls but it's not like they count.

My own interpretation is a bit different. Well, more elaborated...

Basically, for starter, I think the megaspell exchange would have been a bit longer than one day. Probably more like a week, with up to a few months until the last shots were fired.

Like... Cloudsdale goes poof, it's the First Strike. Initial exchange start, most of the bombs and megaspells are exchanged then. By the first day, the majority of the 150-190 million ponies inhabiting Equestria are dead or dying. The military chain of command on both sides is already on the verge of collapsing, but still hold enough coherence to launch counter attacks, and counter-counter-attacks with the few remaining SAC 2 missiles for the zebras, and the remaining strategic megaspell facilities for Equestria.

By the end of day four, there hardly remain any coherent power structure in both militaries, and the strategic megaspell stockpiles are almost exhausted. Both sides still possess a few "tactical" megaspells, but they have no mean of delivering them to the enemy (think balefire tipped artillery shells, in a warehouse 1000 kilometers away from the actual battlefield). The few remaining underground command centers have lost contact with surface units (who either died or fled), and are basically commanding an army of ghosts.

By the end of the week, the war is effectively over, only a few covert teams on both sides carrying out suicide infiltration mission up to a few month after the start of the exchange, deep behind enemy lines, carrying tactical megaspells to some "critical" targets.


Now you're probably asking yourself... What happened to those guys in the underground command centers ?...

Well, I may have some ideas... Spike
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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:37 pm

Harmony Ltd. wrote:Lil'bit of headcannonering 'bout the Days of Fire...


From the few FOE fics I've read, I've kind of got the impression that, at least as far as the survivors two hundred years later are concerned, everything kinda went down the shitter in the span of a single day when the nukes megaspells went off. Well, I guess they have good reasons to believe so, namely the fact that for all they know the only ones who survived that episodes were the stable ponies, the steel rangers, those feathered bastards up there, and the ghouls but it's not like they count.

My own interpretation is a bit different. Well, more elaborated...

Basically, for starter, I think the megaspell exchange would have been a bit longer than one day. Probably more like a week, with up to a few months until the last shots were fired.

Like... Cloudsdale goes poof, it's the First Strike. Initial exchange start, most of the bombs and megaspells are exchanged then. By the first day, the majority of the 150-190 million ponies inhabiting Equestria are dead or dying. The military chain of command on both sides is already on the verge of collapsing, but still hold enough coherence to launch counter attacks, and counter-counter-attacks with the few remaining SAC 2 missiles for the zebras, and the remaining strategic megaspell facilities for Equestria.

By the end of day four, there hardly remain any coherent power structure in both militaries, and the strategic megaspell stockpiles are almost exhausted. Both sides still possess a few "tactical" megaspells, but they have no mean of delivering them to the enemy (think balefire tipped artillery shells, in a warehouse 1000 kilometers away from the actual battlefield). The few remaining underground command centers have lost contact with surface units (who either died or fled), and are basically commanding an army of ghosts.

By the end of the week, the war is effectively over, only a few covert teams on both sides carrying out suicide infiltration mission up to a few month after the start of the exchange, deep behind enemy lines, carrying tactical megaspells to some "critical" targets.


Now you're probably asking yourself... What happened to those guys in the underground command centers ?...

Well, I may have some ideas... Spike
Hm... that sounds like it could be plausible.

By the way, since it's sort of related, what do you think of the Last Laugh? I'm still not sure if I want it in or not. (For those who don't remember, the Last Laugh is an idea I had for a megaspell-chamber-equipped super-endurance Equestrian submarine, sort of like a Typhoon. It was meant to, after the conclusion of the megaspell exchange, randomly blast at the former PR lands for as long as the boat's crew deemed good and could manage.)
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:45 pm

Well, I think the question with the Last Laugh is, basically : if it got built, entered service, and was functionnal during the Days of Fire, did it actually work as intended, and what did it actually do ?

Or maybe it got destroyed before having the opportunity to do much damage ?

Or maybe the crew decided to not fire despite having been trained to do so ? A mutiny ? Something else ?

Basically, the idea seems to fit in the setting, but how would you exploit it ?
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:52 pm

Oh also, I was thinking that up to 5% of the Equestrian population (1 in 20) might have been turned into ghouls during the Days of Fire.

If we go with the assumption that the Equestrian Peninsula hosted around 150 million people then (ponies + griffins + zebra), that makes around 7.5 million ghouls roaming the ashes of Equestria in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, with their numbers steadily declining with the passing decades as time takes its toll, they (quickly for the overwhelming majority) start losing their minds and get killed by the survivors or the new fauna.

plot point for what I'm writing:
40 years after the bombs fell, the surface is still a radioactive hellhole (the radiation level isn't lethal on the short term, but it's too high to live there), and the principal menace anyone on the surface might face is packs of roaming feral ghouls.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:57 pm

still spoiler for that thing:
Also, this just got me thinking that the first kernels of civilization on the surface might have actually been built by sane ghouls banding together to try to make the best of their new situation. This opens interesting alleys of story-telling...
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:07 pm

One word :

Camels.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:29 pm

Oh also, something that might be interesting in a story...

Remember we had been discussing life-augmenting treatments, right ? Well, the obvious and cheap poor man solution would be to try to turn someone into a ghoul under more or less controlled conditions : the way I see it, exposing someone to lethal doses of radiations for several hours while at the same time pumping the person with rad-away to ensure it doesn't actually die from the radiations.

Though obviously the success rate wouldn't be 100% (actually it might probably be closer to 30-50%), and being turned into a ghoul carries the non-trivial risk of going feral at some point (statistically speaking, it's often sooner than later).
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Post by swicked on Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:29 pm

Harmony Ltd. wrote:That's what I'd call a one strike two wins for Rainbow Dash, here. Spike

Also, Swicked, I like the idea that

Spoiler:
Rainbow Dash may have been the very first "DJ Pon-3". I may re-use some of that in that fic idea I have - at least the idea that not even a few weeks after the bombs fell someone may have started using the SPP's broadcast facilities.
1. Why is this spoilered?
2. Isn't it pretty strongly implied that vinyl was the first DJ Pon-3 since she was the first, to our knowledge, to be called that?
I wouldn't expect the MoA hub to be set up with enough radio equipment to hit the entire wasteland, but I guess they could jack into the Tenpony radio tower... somehow. My headcanon is her broadcast, in a way, inspired the DJs' fandom for heroism and they would record and relay the broadcasts like 3-dog did for Daring Dashwood's.

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Post by swicked on Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:36 pm

Her's were the first tales of heroes any DJ Pon-3 ever put out over the airwaves, which inspired them to try learning new tales from out in the wasteland to suppliment and reinforce the message that heroism is worth it, basically. Worthy of acknowledgement and praise. That ponies can and should be trying to do more than just survive.
It's not so much that the DJs wouldn't do the same thing either way, but those first stories started the trend.

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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:06 pm

Harmony wrote:Well, I think the question with the Last Laugh is, basically : if it got built, entered service, and was functionnal during the Days of Fire, did it actually work as intended, and what did it actually do ?

Or maybe it got destroyed before having the opportunity to do much damage ?

Or maybe the crew decided to not fire despite having been trained to do so ? A mutiny ? Something else ?

Basically, the idea seems to fit in the setting, but how would you exploit it ?
I'm not sure.  I've not developed the idea much yet, despite it being a relatively old one.

Harmony wrote:Oh also, I was thinking that up to 5% of the Equestrian population (1 in 20) might have been turned into ghouls during the Days of Fire.

If we go with the assumption that the Equestrian Peninsula hosted around 150 million people then (ponies + griffins + zebra), that makes around 7.5 million ghouls roaming the ashes of Equestria in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, with their numbers steadily declining with the passing decades as time takes its toll, they (quickly for the overwhelming majority) start losing their minds and get killed by the survivors or the new fauna.

plot point for what I'm writing:
40 years after the bombs fell, the surface is still a radioactive hellhole (the radiation level isn't lethal on the short term, but it's too high to live there), and the principal menace anyone on the surface might face is packs of roaming feral ghouls.
Sounds good to me.

Harmony wrote:
still spoiler for that thing:
Also, this just got me thinking that the first kernels of civilization on the surface might have actually been built by sane ghouls banding together to try to make the best of their new situation. This opens interesting alleys of story-telling...
Indeed, interesting!

Harmony wrote:One word :

Camels.
?

Harmony wrote:Oh also, something that might be interesting in a story...

Remember we had been discussing life-augmenting treatments, right ? Well, the obvious and cheap poor man solution would be to try to turn someone into a ghoul under more or less controlled conditions : the way I see it, exposing someone to lethal doses of radiations for several hours while at the same time pumping the person with rad-away to ensure it doesn't actually die from the radiations.

Though obviously the success rate wouldn't be 100% (actually it might probably be closer to 30-50%), and being turned into a ghoul carries the non-trivial risk of going feral at some point (statistically speaking, it's often sooner than later).
What could possibly go wrong?!
I could see that maybe being tried, but I could also see it possibly being banned due to the dangers.  Though, on the other hoof, Profectum might, at least pre-Alliance, have used it as a relatively standard practice.  I'm a bit distracted at the moment, sorry.

swicked wrote:2. Isn't it pretty strongly implied that vinyl was the first DJ Pon-3 since she was the first, to our knowledge, to be called that?
No, we know that she wasn't (or, rather, that she wasn't the first Wasteland one; she was the original, pre-apocalypse one); she died in Stable 29.
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Post by swicked on Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:46 pm

...that's in the original FOE?

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Post by StoneSlinger88 on Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:33 am

Yeah, LittlePip finds her old room. And there's the bunch of people in FO3 who successfully turn people into ghouls, they're camped in a basement outside of Megaton.
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Post by swicked on Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:50 am

Ah.
Was there ever a hint as to who the original DJ Pon-3 was, then? I would figure it to be someone who wanted to keep the DJ's memory alive more than her own...

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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:41 am

StoneSlinger88 wrote:Yeah, LittlePip finds her old room. And there's the bunch of people in FO3 who successfully turn people into ghouls, they're camped in a basement outside of Megaton.
Ah. Would you drop a link to the wiki, please? I've still not gotten Fo3 running.

swicked wrote:Ah.
Was there ever a hint as to who the original DJ Pon-3 was, then? I would figure it to be someone who wanted to keep the DJ's memory alive more than her own...
IIRC, we had rumors that it was Vinyl Scratch's nephew, but that's all.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:54 am

O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:One word :

Camels.
?
I was thinking about possible races to expand the scope of the setting to new, foreign and remote lands. And the idea of camels came to mind.

I dunno why but I had the idea of setting them in a really arid desert, far away from Equestria or even Zebrica, on the other side of the planet, and having their traditional lifestyle be somewhat inspired from the Fremen of Dune / Arrakis (a culture where water is central due to how precious it is, a requirement to live, and how rare it is in their environment).

Though I have no idea how to exploit them at this time. Given they would live at the antipodes of Equestria and how remote they would have been even before the war, I was thinking that they might be a case of "There was an Apocalypse ? We barely noticed."
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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:25 pm

Harmony Ltd. wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:One word :

Camels.
?
I was thinking about possible races to expand the scope of the setting to new, foreign and remote lands. And the idea of camels came to mind.

I dunno why but I had the idea of setting them in a really arid desert, far away from Equestria or even Zebrica, on the other side of the planet, and having their traditional lifestyle be somewhat inspired from the Fremen of Dune / Arrakis (a culture where water is central due to how precious it is, a requirement to live, and how rare it is in their environment).

Though I have no idea how to exploit them at this time. Given they would live at the antipodes of Equestria and how remote they would have been even before the war, I was thinking that they might be a case of "There was an Apocalypse ? We barely noticed."
Sounds cool.  My alpha world map has the antipode being an ocean, but hey, alpha.
Pertinent section of alpha world map:
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:58 pm

You were going with Equestria being vaguely pangea-like ?

Hmm... Is the strip of land going from "Eurasia" to the southern pole really important ? If not you could always "cut" that chunk of land from where it is and drag it east, in one south-america-like continent.

I feel like the fact there's only two tectonic plates in the southern hemisphere kind of... unbalenced, given the tectonic complexity displayed around Equestria.

Is the Northeastern continent supposed to be the birthplace of the ponies ?
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:01 pm

Would it be possible for you to mail me the whole map, please ? Just to quickly sketch some suggestions.
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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:00 pm

Harmony wrote:You were going with Equestria being vaguely pangea-like ?
What do you mean?

Harmony wrote:Hmm... Is the strip of land going from "Eurasia" to the southern pole really important ? If not you could always "cut" that chunk of land from where it is and drag it east, in one south-america-like continent.
Also not sure what you mean here, sorry.

Harmony wrote:I feel like the fact there's only two tectonic plates in the southern hemisphere kind of... unbalenced, given the tectonic complexity displayed around Equestria.
The south didn't have the enormous meteor impact that Equestria did.

Harmony wrote:Is the Northeastern continent supposed to be the birthplace of the ponies ?
Northeastern? But yes, I was thinking that the north polar continent is where ponies originally came from.

Harmony wrote:Would it be possible for you to mail me the whole map, please ? Just to quickly sketch some suggestions.
Sent.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:17 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:You were going with Equestria being vaguely pangea-like ?
What do you mean?
The planet having one big continent, and any other landmass being of negligible size in comparison.

O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:Hmm... Is the strip of land going from "Eurasia" to the southern pole really important ? If not you could always "cut" that chunk of land from where it is and drag it east, in one south-america-like continent.
Also not sure what you mean here, sorry.
Eurasia => the land east of the Equestrian Peninsula and Zebrica.

I was suggesting basically cutting the part of the mega continent that's south of the equator and dragging it around 120-160° to the east (roughly).

O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:I feel like the fact there's only two tectonic plates in the southern hemisphere kind of... unbalenced, given the tectonic complexity displayed around Equestria.
The south didn't have the enormous meteor impact that Equestria did.
Maybe, but I have a gut feeling it'd still need to be a little bit more fragmented. Not by much, but a bit more.



O. Hinds wrote:
Harmony wrote:Is the Northeastern continent supposed to be the birthplace of the ponies ?
Northeastern?  But yes, I was thinking that the north polar continent is where ponies originally came from.
East-Northeast of the mega continent there's a peninsula going south of the north pole continent. That's what I was talking about (I doubt the poles themselves are hospitable enough to have been the birthplace of the pony species).



Thanks for the map, BTW. I'll see tomorrow if I can wipe something up.
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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:50 pm

Harmony wrote:The planet having one big continent, and any other landmass being of negligible size in comparison.
Ah, thanks.

Harmony wrote:Eurasia => the land east of the Equestrian Peninsula and Zebrica.

I was suggesting basically cutting the part of the mega continent that's south of the equator and dragging it around 120-160° to the east (roughly).
And thanks again.  That would require reworking the tectonics,

Harmony wrote:Maybe, but I have a gut feeling it'd still need to be a little bit more fragmented. Not by much, but a bit more.
but you're proposing that that be done anyway.

Harmony wrote:East-Northeast of the mega continent there's a peninsula going south of the north pole continent. That's what I was talking about (I doubt the poles themselves are hospitable enough to have been the birthplace of the pony species).
Hm, over there?  I was thinking the smaller peninsula to the NNE, but I suppose that the ENE one could work… I'm also thinking that the planet was warmer at the time.

Harmony wrote:Thanks for the map, BTW. I'll see tomorrow if I can wipe something up.
You're welcome.
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Post by O. Hinds on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:17 pm

I think that Auferstanden Aus Ruinen might actually have a good tune for the Alliance anthem. Not sure, but it's more of an idea than I've had previously.
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Post by Kippershy on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:38 pm

Real quick one... I decided to make a flag for Four Ridges the other day...
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Post by O. Hinds on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:48 pm

Looks good.  Though are the white lines separating the colored blocks part of the design or an artifact of the drawing method?  Either way works, but the simpler lineless design would likely be easier to manufacture (and the lines wouldn't be visible at distance anyway).
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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:00 am

Idea:
Magical energy beam weapons have some considerable advantages from a sniper's point of view.  They are recoilless, and the beams travel in straight lines for long distances, unaffected by wind, gravity, or drag.  Magical energy beam weapons have the serious sniping disadvantage that they draw a glowing line right back to the sniper's position.  This was the problem that lead to the development of the Stiria rifle.  While slightly bulkier and significantly, though not impractically, more powerhungry than a more standard beam rifle design, it combines a specialized scope with the ability to project a cloak with the beam; the upshot is that an invisible sniper of sufficient skill may use the rifle to deliver precise hits at extreme range with little risk of their position being discovered.  The Stiria was originally developed by the Pax Roamana and considered ready for deployment shortly before the end of the war, but it did not end up seeing much use.  Most modern examples of the weapon (it being, while not very widely produced, not unique) are Alliance, due primarily to Profectum's membership, but it is believed that the Remnant may have gotten one or two of the original run and kept them functional.

(We'll see how well the Remnant survives PH, but, even if they're still fully active, the Stiria would be a weapon of dubious use in the cold war.  The attack is so distinctive and possession of the weapon so limited that deniability is pretty terrible; at worst, the Alliance or Remnant could try to frame the other one (the Alliance's Stiriae are better-maintained and new, slightly more powerful versions to begin with, but they could easily be limited for a false flag), but there'd still be considerable suspicion.)
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