[GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Scienza wrote:...Okay?

We're not saying that she's wrong, just that she's in the same boat as us. She isn't a part of the creative process for the show anymore, so she can't tell us what's necessarily true for the show as it is. She is, in effect, a really awesome fan of the show with the headcanon closest to the writer's ideas.

Scienza wrote:Also, as mean as this is going to sound, getting beaten up at a pony convention doesn't particularly concern me. a) because I'm just like a majority of the fanbase as an unmuscled, mildly antisocial sexy hunk of young nerd, and b) security would just boot both of us out, and nobody wants to risk losing access to their all-to-brief three days of social acceptance by their peers, myself included.

cb5 wrote:if she ever goes "yeah the show's terrible now" the amount of shit hasbro will get not be undoable.  To use a metaphor imagine if like Stan Lee retired, now imagine if someone else was doing a spiderman movie do you really think the fans would like the movie if stan lee said he didn't like the movie.

FeatherDust wrote:And frankly, cb5, on rereading, that message comes off less as a warning and more as a threat with a "I wouldn't but I'm just warning you" attached as ass-covering.

cb5 wrote:if she ever goes "yeah the show's terrible now" the amount of shit hasbro will get not be undoable.  To use a metaphor imagine if like Stan Lee retired, now imagine if someone else was doing a spiderman movie do you really think the fans would like the movie if stan lee said he didn't like the movie.

I'd like the movie if it was good and I'd hate it if it was terrible.  Stan Lee and Lauren Faust do not decide my opinions of media for me; I'm comfortable with making my own decisions about what is and is not terrible.

cb5 wrote:

Scienza wrote:...Okay?

We're not saying that she's wrong, just that she's in the same boat as us. She isn't a part of the creative process for the show anymore, so she can't tell us what's necessarily true for the show as it is. She is, in effect, a really awesome fan of the show with the headcanon closest to the writer's ideas.

Me personally I'd rather trust the person responsible for the fandom even existing than someone's headcanon.  Until the show directly contradicts her it's for all intents and purposes canon, HOWEVER given how much of a pull she still has I don't think hasbro or studio b is ever going to directly contradict her.  They could contradict what she says about the show in little things, like how rainbow dash was being sisterly to scootaloo, but if she ever goes "yeah the show's terrible now" the amount of shit hasbro will get not be undoable.  To use a metaphor imagine if like Stan Lee retired, now imagine if someone else was doing a spiderman movie do you really think the fans would like the movie if stan lee said he didn't like the movie.

Word of faust > your head canon

Scienza wrote:Yes, she created the show, so thus she has one of the most accurate pictures of the poniverse in existence. However, it's still technically her headcanon. Do you get how everything she said while actively working on the show is canon, while everything after that is technically headcanon, albeit the closest to canon that headcanon will ever get? After she stopped working on the show, everything she's said about FiM that isn't directly retroactive isn't show canon, it's show canon as she would have done it.

I'm not saying that she's wrong, in fact, I'm more inclined to believe what she says, but until the show directly addresses the question, fan speculation is technically just as valid as hers.

cb5 wrote:

Scienza wrote:Yes, she created the show, so thus she has one of the most accurate pictures of the poniverse in existence. However, it's still technically her headcanon. Do you get how everything she said while actively working on the show is canon, while everything after that is technically headcanon, albeit the closest to canon that headcanon will ever get? After she stopped working on the show, everything she's said about FiM that isn't directly retroactive isn't show canon, it's show canon as she would have done it.

I'm not saying that she's wrong, in fact, I'm more inclined to believe what she says, but until the show directly addresses the question, fan speculation is technically just as valid as hers.

But my point is they will NEVER directly contradict her though for big things cause they know better.

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FeatherDust wrote:Ok, let me be clear here.  I've been around the Star Wars fandom a long time and you are misusing the word 'canon'.

Lauren Faust is not canon.  That is not what the word means.  Canon is what happens on the screen, or in the comic book, or in whatever other published media are produced. (Generally in a hierarchy -- the show trumps the comic book, the comic trumps one-off books, etc.)

Word of Faust, Word of Wootie, or any other crew statements are useful in as far as they are statements of intent, but they are subject to change at any time by having an episode that says otherwise.  Faust herself has made this very clear; anything she says is only speaking to her original intent.  Heck, even if she'd stayed on the show, that intent may or may not have actually been in force two-plus years later.  Original intent is always subordinate to the needs of the actual show-writing process.

Word of Faust trumps nothing.  Somebody can grumble that her original idea was better than what was eventually produced, but again, needs of the show -- we can't re-rack history and see how the show would've played out if Faust had stayed on it.  The show as shown is always "the truth" regardless of what Lauren originally meant to happen.

cb5 wrote:You guys better not say this at any pony convention cause chances are someone would break your nose for this view.

cb5 wrote:It'd be like if you went to a star trek convention and yelled out, "Piccard and Kirk suck!"

cb5 wrote:But my point is they will NEVER directly contradict her though for big things cause they know better.

SilentCarto wrote:Guys? Guys, I can't put up the first-page post in the right place if you roll the page over while I'm at work.

Geeeeeeez.

 

Icy Shake wrote:Seconded! And your other post, too.

Also, I'd add Scootaloo (probably) being able to fly as another instance of Faust's intentions and statements being overridden, though it's possible that her flightlessness could stick.

Reference

S4 Spoiler:

SilentCarto wrote:

Icy Shake wrote:Seconded! And your other post, too.

Also, I'd add Scootaloo (probably) being able to fly as another instance of Faust's intentions and statements being overridden, though it's possible that her flightlessness could stick.

Reference

Uhhhh? Did you avoid watching the S4 teaser animatic?

S4 Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Moodyman90 wrote:

Spoiler:

Nothing really spoilery, but related to that conversation:

SilentCarto wrote:Disabilities are a touchy subject, and I really don't think the writers would be foolish (insane?) enough to throw out a moral that suggested that someone who hasn't overcome their disability just isn't trying hard enough. If they're touching the subject at all, I'll lay money on the lesson being that you shouldn't let a disability define you.

I actually really like that they gave us three seasons to get acquainted with the character before throwing this out there. It suggests that the writers don't define her by her disability, either.[/spoiler]

More stuff about the S4 spoiler.:

cb5 wrote:

SilentCarto wrote:

Spoiler:

I like to think the upcoming episode is more of a "fuck you" to the people that have constantly threatening to sue them if they didn't change the show in a way they wanted.  I mean all the way back to when zecora was introduced they've been dealing with people threatening to sue them, but never actually going through it, and they probably just finally went, "yeah you're full of shit" to the people threatening lawsuits.

Moodyman90 wrote:

More stuff about the S4 spoiler.:

Though I think all this talk about canon and all has gotten away from anything FoE related so change of venue or what?

cb5 wrote: I'll avoid posting spoilers for season 4.

Moodyman90 wrote:

More stuff about the S4 spoiler.:

Though I think all this talk about canon and all has gotten away from anything FoE related so change of venue or what?

cb5I know how to tie it back into FoE.  With the changes happening to season 4 FoE isn't going to be close at all to canon anymore.  I'm not talking FoE being a parallel universe.  I'm talking about FoE becoming a completely different universe all together that bears no resembleance to FoE's past.  I'm not talking little things either.  I mean like 99.99999% of all fanfics ever are going to be no longer in line with canon even if they were made today levels of changes with the season opener only.

Project Horizons introducing the nightmare or another FoE fanfics introducing the nightmare as a poltergeist that can posses any pony would be pretty cool though.  I could go on, but I accidentally listead a leak that was massively spoiler heavy and saw icy shake's post and I have to agree I'll avoid posting spoilers for season 4.

ARoundCorner wrote:

I saw this beautiful picture this morning and couldn't stop laughing.

ARoundCorner wrote:

I saw this beautiful picture this morning and couldn't stop laughing.

ARoundCorner wrote:Well, Mister Frost, I saw this and immediately thought of project horizons. I felt a major theme was the self-inflicted harm Blackjack brought on herself while trying to fight the good fight. Angels live in heaven and stars are often called the heavens. The stars of Project Horizons have destined Blackjack to live a life of self-sacrifice. Although Blackjack tries to avoid this, she unavoidably causes pain to herself and others over and over again. Therefore, this picture is an analogy to Project Horizon's Blackjack's struggle with the stars.

Loljk, When I posted this I just thought it was funny, but thank you Scienza!