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Post by SilentCarto on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:24 pm

Okay, that's freaky. My posts regarding this chapter put me over 1000 posts, which changed my title to "Alicorn".

I'm not sure how to feel about this.

I wonder if I can get it changed to "Cybernetic Alicorn"
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Post by SilentCarto on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Icy Shake wrote:"HAX!" was kind of what I was thinking, too, since although it's likely that the thumb and finger technology already existed, the professor didn't think to include it for Blackjack, and presumably didn't for Steelpony in general. That said, it's not hard to imagine Lighthooves finding out how useful they are and wanting to add them, but it still leaves the question of how he got something that wasn't within the Steelpony specs, unless Steelpony included the related files for the sand dogs' augmentations.
Eh... Dawn had fingers, too. It must have been some optional equipment Rover saw in the specs and decided to give her.

Icy Shake wrote:I really wanted to include something in my running thoughts, but couldn't put into words, something about the pie fight that never happened in Dr. Strangelove because Kubrick couldn't get the actors to take it seriously.
I don't know what you're talking about but it sounds amazing. Applebloom 

Icy Shake wrote:Independent of anything else (but not really helping with a "boat" falling on them), I think it's possible that the Harmony effect that reduces Enervation could apply between a mare and a zygote/embryo/fetus she's carrying. Granted, I have nothing to base this on.
I would assume, yes, that whatever the reason for BJ's Enervation immunity, she acts as shielding for the embryo.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Aonee on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Nah, you just become a dragonequus once you hit around 6k posts. Speaking of which... *Drags SilentCarto into IMP vat*
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:47 pm

Last wrote:Since this was brought up I think surrogacy was brought up this chapter I haven't read it myself yet. I just had a discussion with someone who had. Who are they going to transfer the baby (I know it's not a baby yet just using baby for simplicity sake.) into? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it stated earlier in the story that the only chance the procedure had of working was transferring the baby to someone related to you? As far as I can tell only two people are related to BJ, Scotch Tape (Possibly. Through a limited gene pool.) and Grace who is incredibly distantly related.
It was in the pamphlet Boo found in Star House in chapter 50.

Surrogacy is a complex spell process which takes an eligible candidate, prepares her body to carry a foal, and then teleports the baby from one mother to another.  As with any tissue transplant, it is vital that the two ponies involved be as closely matched as possible to prevent the recipient’s body from rejecting the child.  Perhaps you are a mother, sister, or daughter of the recipient?  Even more distant relatives are still stronger candidates to carry the child successfully than unrelated ponies, for whom there is almost no possibility of success.

So you're right, Glory is a poor candidate. Scotch might be a better one, uncomfortable as that idea may be. Boo might or might not, depending on exactly what her genetic makeup is. But there are other options. Maybe they could stasis pod the fetus (pre-conscious, to avoid Whisper's problems) to give them time to wait for Doctor Morningstar's cutting of the cloning tree to get big enough to clone a fresh body for BJ. Then they can transplant BJ's brain like Sanguine did with his family, and surrogate the fetus into the new body. Or they could use the tree to grow a womb, creepy as that may be. Or, hey, give the mini-tree a sample of the fetus and clone up a newborn foal. Would that even work?



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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:50 pm

Luminous Lead wrote:I've been taking an optics course in university, and one of the things we've been learning about is interference and diffraction.

If Enervation is some kind of radiation (it seems to vary with distance to the the source and travel incredibly fast), then depending on the factors (wavelength, source size, number of sources) it might actually be interfering with itself, or diffracting around certain areas, odd as that may seem.  This could account for the blind spots and safe zones, especially if there's a whole slew of transmitters around the area.
As interesting as optics and wave mechanics more generally are, I think that that would be an example of increased rigor at the expense of setting and theme. As different and FoE and PH are from the show, both, I believe, do an excellent job of letting the fact that they are about ponies and Equestria shine through, with the Fallout elements being a disturbance that lessens over time as the characters progress through their stories and meet their successes*. It's just a case where the magic of friendship works better than the integration of amplitudes.

*This is kind of an inference, since the completion isn't really seen (apart from the afterward).

SilentCarto wrote:
Icy Shake wrote:I really wanted to include something in my running thoughts, but couldn't put into words, something about the pie fight that never happened in Dr. Strangelove because Kubrick couldn't get the actors to take it seriously.

I don't know what you're talking about but it sounds amazing.
http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Strangelove_%22Pie_Fight%22_Alternate_Ending_%281963%29 wrote:
It's just kind of long:
As most everyone knows, the ending to Stanley Kubrick's 1964 anti-war black comedy Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, ended with the title character (Played by Peter Sellers) emerging from his wheelchair and taking a few steps, then a cut to a montage of atom bombs. However, in a cut, extended ending, the film went on to show that Strangelove then fell flat on his face. General Turgidson (George C. Scott) then notices the Russian Ambassador (Peter Bull) taking pictures of "the big board" and tackles him. He asks for permission to bodily search him for more cameras, only to have the Ambassador throw a custard pie from the buffet table at him in a rage. Turgidson ducks and the pie hits President Muffley (also Sellers) instead, which prompts a comical pie fight in the War Room which simulates an actual battle. Meanwhile, Strangelove, after struggling to get back into his wheelchair, sees the chaos, and, unbeknownst to him, his sinister black gloved hand pulls a Luger from his jacket pocket and aims it at his temple. Strangelove then realizes this and wrestles with the gun, resulting in it going off into the air. This catches everyone's attention and the fight stops. After Strangelove calls everyone to order, they see that the President and the Russian Ambassador are building sand castles from the pie custard in a childlike fashion, having lost their minds. Turgidson announces that from now on, the country belongs in the hands of people like Strangelove and the scene ends with the men giving him a cheer.

Ironically, the film was being edited around the date of November 23, 1963. The day President Kennedy was assasinated. Ultimately, the scene where President Muffley is struck with a pie and Turgidson announces "Our President has been struck down in his prime!" was considered too close to the situation and the ending was cut. In addition, Kubrick felt that the pie fight itself (which was a metephor for war) was not played in a serious fashion, as most of the actors were smiling and laughing. According to editor Anthony Harvey, the ending was put in the bin for cut scenes, was then misplaced and lost.

Oh, and while I agree that whatever grants Blackjack partial immunity with respect to Enervation would probably help, I was thinking of the effect in Chapel and the Arena, just localized and fed by a connection between the parent and offspring because magic and friendship and love.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:55 pm

Icy Shake wrote:
http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Strangelove_%22Pie_Fight%22_Alternate_Ending_%281963%29 wrote:
It's just kind of long:
As most everyone knows, the ending to Stanley Kubrick's 1964 anti-war black comedy Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, ended with the title character (Played by Peter Sellers) emerging from his wheelchair and taking a few steps, then a cut to a montage of atom bombs. However, in a cut, extended ending, the film went on to show that Strangelove then fell flat on his face. General Turgidson (George C. Scott) then notices the Russian Ambassador (Peter Bull) taking pictures of "the big board" and tackles him. He asks for permission to bodily search him for more cameras, only to have the Ambassador throw a custard pie from the buffet table at him in a rage. Turgidson ducks and the pie hits President Muffley (also Sellers) instead, which prompts a comical pie fight in the War Room which simulates an actual battle. Meanwhile, Strangelove, after struggling to get back into his wheelchair, sees the chaos, and, unbeknownst to him, his sinister black gloved hand pulls a Luger from his jacket pocket and aims it at his temple. Strangelove then realizes this and wrestles with the gun, resulting in it going off into the air. This catches everyone's attention and the fight stops. After Strangelove calls everyone to order, they see that the President and the Russian Ambassador are building sand castles from the pie custard in a childlike fashion, having lost their minds. Turgidson announces that from now on, the country belongs in the hands of people like Strangelove and the scene ends with the men giving him a cheer.

Ironically, the film was being edited around the date of November 23, 1963. The day President Kennedy was assasinated. Ultimately, the scene where President Muffley is struck with a pie and Turgidson announces "Our President has been struck down in his prime!" was considered too close to the situation and the ending was cut. In addition, Kubrick felt that the pie fight itself (which was a metephor for war) was not played in a serious fashion, as most of the actors were smiling and laughing. According to editor Anthony Harvey, the ending was put in the bin for cut scenes, was then misplaced and lost.
O...kay then.

Icy Shake wrote:Oh, and while I agree that whatever grants Blackjack partial immunity with respect to Enervation would probably help, I was thinking of the effect in Chapel and the Arena, just localized and fed by a connection between the parent and offspring because magic and friendship and love.
Well, she's gone pretty much full immunity at this point. Maybe that's because the plastic thing Steel Rain had is an anti-Enervation talisman... maybe not.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:59 pm

Icy Shake wrote:
Luminous Lead wrote:I've been taking an optics course in university, and one of the things we've been learning about is interference and diffraction.

If Enervation is some kind of radiation (it seems to vary with distance to the the source and travel incredibly fast), then depending on the factors (wavelength, source size, number of sources) it might actually be interfering with itself, or diffracting around certain areas, odd as that may seem.  This could account for the blind spots and safe zones, especially if there's a whole slew of transmitters around the area.
As interesting as optics and wave mechanics more generally are, I think that that would be an example of increased rigor at the expense of setting and theme. As different and FoE and PH are from the show, both, I believe, do an excellent job of letting the fact that they are about ponies and Equestria shine through, with the Fallout elements being a disturbance that lessens over time as the characters progress through their stories and meet their successes*. It's just a case where the magic of friendship works better than the integration of amplitudes.

*This is kind of an inference, since the completion isn't really seen (apart from the afterward).

Aye. While magic can be understood to some extent as a science, it is still magic.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:04 am

SilentCarto wrote:Okay, that's freaky. My posts regarding this chapter put me over 1000 posts, which changed my title to "Alicorn".

I'm not sure how to feel about this.

I wonder if I can get it changed to "Cybernetic Alicorn"
I'd say that's a pretty amusing coincidence, certainly.

In other news, I'm trying my best to work on my commentary for the chapter when I can, it's just going very slowly... Hopefully I'll have it finished in another day or two, I'm sorry for the delay, Somber.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:20 am

SilentCarto wrote:"Scourged" means "whipped" or "beaten". "Scoured" means "scrubbed" or "removed completely". Only the latter makes sense in this context.
Hm… Eh, I think that that's debatable, but sure.

SilentCarto wrote:Oh, just thinking of that plastic doodad Steel Rain presented to her at the coronation. I was expecting Chekhov to fire that gun in this chapter.
Oh, that. I don't actually know what that is, and Blackjack certainly doesn't. :)

SilentCarto wrote:Nah, you just become a dragonequus once you hit around 6k posts. Speaking of which... *Drags SilentCarto into IMP vat*
Well, it is possible to get custom titles, if the mods are in the mood (says the "Zebra Engineer"). :)

Oh, on that note, some good news: I finally got my grades back, and I have the required minimum GPA, got an A in a course taught by a professor I want to impress, and, thanks to scraping a C, don't have to retake GEAI. I'm pretty pleased.

WavemasterRyx wrote:In other news, I'm trying my best to work on my commentary for the chapter when I can, it's just going very slowly... Hopefully I'll have it finished in another day or two, I'm sorry for the delay, Somber.
I can't actually speak for him, but I doubt that he minds. Post it when you can.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:45 am

Living on the other side of the world does make it hard to keep up with you guys. <_<

anyway...

SilentCarto wrote:So you're right, Glory is a poor candidate. Scotch might be a better one, uncomfortable as that idea may be. Boo might or might not, depending on exactly what her genetic makeup is. But there are other options. Maybe they could stasis pod the fetus (pre-conscious, to avoid Whisper's problems) to give them time to wait for Doctor Morningstar's cutting of the cloning tree to get big enough to clone a fresh body for BJ. Then they can transplant BJ's brain like Sanguine did with his family, and surrogate the fetus into the new body. Or they could use the tree to grow a womb, creepy as that may be. Or, hey, give the mini-tree a sample of the fetus and clone up a newborn foal. Would that even work?

I wouldn't exclude Glory just yet. Pegasi are compatible with other ponies, after all they can interbreed quite easily... I mean, Glory was able to hook up Blackjack to Rampage's respiratory and circulatory systems, that's way, way more likely to result in rejection... and she did it on a filthy boat in the middle of polluted river. I'm pretty sure smart ponies with decent enough equipment could manage a successful surrogacy on an unrelated pegasus.

As for other options... Boo is probably designed to be as compatible as possible with other ponies, being basically a living organ plantation, so I'd say that would work too.

Rampage... I'm not sure her talisman would allow for such operation. I mean, getting pregnant herself is one thing, having it artificially implanted is something completely different and her talisman might treat it as an infection.

And Scorch is pretty young for getting pregnant, she might not be able to carry it to term. Also, limited gene pool, yes, but also pretty strict reproduction policies. Stable 99 was not Stable 2, where after few generations everyone was related to everyone... hmm... technically Littlepip would be a good surrogate mother, after all, Tarot's biological father was Big Mac our little toster repair mare is as much Apple as possible. :D
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:53 am

Adalbertus wrote:*Snip.*

True enough. But there's only so much material to work with. Unless 99 was opening up every now and then to abduct stallions that happened to wander close enough by I think Scotch being related is a safe bet.

And I'm personally of the opinion that P-21 was breaking the system. I think that when a foal is born the stallion that fathered them is recycled naturally before the offspring enters the breeding queue. But he and his lover were killing the younger stallions to delay that outcome as long as possible.

I just don't see Glory working out. But there's always the chance someone just happened to be researching this process all along to make it work with someone unrelated. I suppose. as conveniant as that sounds.

But if that's the route taken It might a well be a nameless 99 survivor that was more closely related to BJ. In fact I'd be more for that option.

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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:27 am

Last wrote:And I'm personally of the opinion that P-21 was breaking the system. I think that when a foal is born the stallion that fathered them is recycled naturally before the offspring enters the breeding queue. But he and his lover were killing the younger stallions to delay that outcome as long as possible.
As entertaining as this idea looks, this is pretty unlikely. However, I'd assume that a standard period of time a stallion is active in the queue is about 10 years, so it would indeed be pretty unlikely that a father and daughter would be paired for reproduction.

Besides, with the arrangement that there's only one foal per mare (I'm assuming a female foal here) and for simplicity let's assume 200 years of such arrangement (we know that this is false, since there was that rebellion and things were different before, but I can't be bothered to check this now) and an average age of reproduction at about 25 years (which would make the average lifespan of a stable mare to be 50-ish, again, I'm assuming things, because I don't remember if it was stated anywhere). That gives us  8 generations of stable mares. With 40 stallions with well-documented lineages, it's not hard to assume that Medical could keep the inbreeding to minimum.

We could even try to calculate the probability of P-21 being related to BJ, but that would just be the probability and it would go anywhere from siblings to never having any common relative in the stable, so I don't care for doing this. :P

Last wrote:But if that's the route taken It might a well be a nameless 99 survivor that was more closely related to BJ. In fact I'd be more for that option.
I doubt that any pony who survived gassing of stable 99 (and being locked, condemned to die alone of starving or worse) would want to have anything that's related to Blackjack implanted into her.

Fun fact: if Twilight Society figures out that the collection of cells growing in Blackjack's womb is a direct descendant of Twilight Sparkle, they'd probably find legions of suitable surrogate mothers to give birth to their new pony messiah. :p
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:10 am

Adalbertus wrote:
I doubt that any pony who survived gassing of stable 99 (and being locked, condemned to die alone of starving or worse) would want to have anything that's related to Blackjack implanted into her.

Fun fact: if Twilight Society figures out that the collection of cells growing in Blackjack's womb is a direct descendant of Twilight Sparkle, they'd probably find legions of suitable surrogate mothers to give birth to their new pony messiah. :p

I can't really argue the breeding queue. I can't pretend to know how stable 99 ran things when it came to that. I have theories but they're just theories.

Oh and I'm not going to lie. I didn't actually think that was likely, I just prefer that to Glory being more brillant than all the M.O.P scientists and having access to better materials than them so she can improve upon their processes.

You could argue the collegiate could pull it off, but I'd like to think they've done enough for BJ that Steelpony is allowed to continue to take priority over her 2 day old sperm. And if they did stop for her I'd have to suggest they change their name to BJ R&D.

Anyway a while back somber posted something that went like "BJ has to have a [redacted]" my guess is the redacted is going to be miscarriage.

Oh god the twilight society XD. They'd probably just try and take it from her with no plans on what to do with it.

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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:48 am

Well... miscarriage is probably one of the terrible things that still didn't happen to her, although it I really won't want to see her being turned into a walking misery magnet. So far it's pretty well-balanced (well, considering the circumstances) and PH already kinda resembles a checklist of terrible things that can happen to someone. Adding more might push it over the line.

I mean, granted, miscarriage is not the worst thing that would happen to her, but from the every beginning of her story her marehood and the ability to have children was shown as something important to her. right now it's probably the last part of her that's her. I'm afraid that if she fails in this regard, the whole story of Blackjack is her good bye letter...
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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:30 am

Nothing stopping her from trying again. No matter how mutilated she gets she has never gotten to the point that she's lost any of her reproductive organs. They've avoided growing tumors when she was lying on th operating table with those foals messing with her they didn't rip out her uterus and even now she's still intact.

I think you're right she's expressed wanting to be a mother but only when everything was over.

Hell through all her changes she's apparently remained attractive. So getting a donor would be no problem. Granted when each one of her legs was essentially a bag of tumors and she had a penis for an eye the guy that wanted to sleep with her was a pretty massive whore and would probably sleep with anything with a mare's shape. (By the way I am NOT referring to the seahorse. I am referring to Bottlecap and that mare from Flank BJ slept with a bunch's dad. Can't remember his name at the moment.)

I'm not saying she wouldn't be upset by it, I'm just saying nothing is and nothing will stop her from trying again provided she doesn't die. Or in the incredibly off chance Glory puts her hoof down and decides enough is enough when it comes to the extra partners.

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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:07 am

I'm not saying that it would stop her from trying, but the psychological trauma might be the thing that breaks her will. The last piece of real pony in her failed her and she couldn't protect her own unborn child from the wasteland.

As for her attractiveness, I said it before, rebo-legs, sexy (especially in the wasteland, where strength is a very desirable trait), but a pony-shaped pile of heavy plating with a small hole(or to) to stick your penis into... nope, not sexy at all. besides, even more important is ho BJ sees herself. She was relatively comfortable with her robo-legs, but now... probably for her the only difference between her current state and Deus is that she cut her guns off.


And I think Glory is at least starting to consider Blackjack's point of view :P
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:25 am

Adalbertus wrote:And I think Glory is at least starting to consider Blackjack's point of view :P

*Sigh.* I'd prefer if BJ tried to see Glory's. I don't want to rehash this again but Glory has given up so much for BJ (She became a dashite, she lost her name, her wing, she held her lover as she died, she witnessed her mother become a monster and nearly kill her father.) I think monagomy is something she can give to her in return. When it did happen she was kinda forced to accept it. In the wasteland if she ain't got BJ what does she have? Excluding the pressure Scotch and P-21 put on her with their "You gotta understand she's from 99 that's the way it is." speeches. she didn't exactly have Dusk there to provide support and say "Well that's not the way it is in the enclave."

:P I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sudden robot fetish that swept through the wastes.

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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:44 am

Well, to be painfully honest, Glory didn't louse all those things for Blackjack and out of the two, BJ still lost a lot more, but I understand what do you mean and it is up to Glory (or the author) to decide.
What i meant by "starting to consider Blackjack's point of view" is that she sees the advantages of it, not exactly appeal maybe (although she did boink the prince)  but maybe she'll be open to entertain Blackjack's ideas from time to time... if there is a future for them that is. and this story will have a moderately happy ending.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:59 am

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Adalbertus wrote:And I think Glory is at least starting to consider Blackjack's point of view :P

*Sigh.* I'd prefer if BJ tried to see Glory's. I don't want to rehash this again but Glory has given up so much for BJ (She became a dashite, she lost her name, her wing, she held her lover as she died, she witnessed her mother become a monster and nearly kill her father.) I think monagomy is something she can give to her in return. When it did happen she was kinda forced to accept it. In the wasteland if she ain't got BJ what does she have? Excluding the pressure Scotch and P-21 put on her with their "You gotta understand she's from 99 that's the way it is." speeches. she didn't exactly have Dusk there to provide support and say "Well that's not the way it is in the enclave."

:P I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sudden robot fetish that swept through the wastes.
I sorta feel this way as well. I get that relationships in 99 were usually polyamorous, and that she's unlikely to change that much, but it's just... weird. It's certainly damaged her relationship with Glory, and the way she constantly presses Glory to accept her point of view just strikes me as sort of selfish.

Maybe it's just the hopeless romantic in me who obsessively ships Gloryjack.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:00 am

Adalbertus wrote:I'm pretty sure smart ponies with decent enough equipment could manage a successful surrogacy on an unrelated pegasus.
The entire MoP at the height of their power and knowledge couldn't make it work better than "almost no possibility of success." What are a bunch of scavengers going to do differently?
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Post by Moodyman90 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:05 am

Find the group of ponies with 100 in Medicine, 100 in Science, 100 in Repair, the Jury Rigging Perk and 10 in Luck? I guess they'd have to be unicorns as well with 100 in Magic.
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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:06 am

Adalbertus wrote:Well, to be painfully honest, Glory didn't louse all those things for Blackjack and out of the two, BJ still lost a lot more.

I respectfully disagree. Not on BJ losing more I can agree with you there. BJ lost everything she did to her quest. Glory didn't. All Glory had to do to save herself was to leave BJ (Which wasn't much of an option.) so she lost these things to BJ. At least that's my point of view.

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:07 am

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I sorta feel this way as well. I get that relationships in 99 were usually polyamorous, and that she's unlikely to change that much, but it's just... weird. It's certainly damaged her relationship with Glory, and the way she constantly presses Glory to accept her point of view just strikes me as sort of selfish.

Maybe it's just the hopeless romantic in me who obsessively ships Gloryjack.

 Fluttershy Yay. I thought I was alone there.

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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:51 am

SilentCarto wrote:The entire MoP at the height of their power and knowledge couldn't make it work better than "almost no possibility of success." What are a bunch of scavengers going to do differently?

The entire MoP staff and all their equipment worked under certain safety protocols, while aforementioned scavengers are desperate and they manage to macgyver a miracle after a miracle. But what do I know... I still think Boo is the best option =P

Last wrote:All Glory had to do to save herself was to leave BJ (Which wasn't much of an option.) so she lost these things to BJ. At least that's my point of view.
It's hard to say, really, how many of those sacrifices were to BJ and how many to the times and places she found herself. It's more like, "wasteland sucks" and quite frankly she stayed alive only because she was with Blackjack. It was a cruel payment for survival and not a sacrifice to her love. But this ultimately doesn't matter. Glory doesn't need any reason beyond love to ask Blackjack to respect her decision about monogamistic(is that a word?) nature of their relationship. She doesn't need to list all the things she lost or sacrificed and talks like that only serve to play down the actual feeling they have for each other.
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Post by Silver136 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:07 am

I felt like P-21 summed it up well after Glory lost her wing in the tunnel. He said something along the lines of: You led us, but we were the ones who followed. We had every chance to leave. So I'm more of the opinion that its not entirely Blackjack's fault, but just as much Glory's.
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Post by SilentCarto on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:10 pm

Adalbertus wrote:
SilentCarto wrote:The entire MoP at the height of their power and knowledge couldn't make it work better than "almost no possibility of success." What are a bunch of scavengers going to do differently?

The entire MoP staff and all their equipment worked under certain safety protocols, while aforementioned scavengers are desperate and they manage to macgyver a miracle after a miracle. But what do I know... I still think Boo is the best option =P
I don't know what you're talking about. The only "miracle" I can think of involved an infinitely-regenerating earth pony and a length of pipe. Everything else has basically been using pre-war medical tech for its intended purposes.

BJ's lifesaving cyberization was a straightforward application of Project Steelpony, and mostly involved installing Silver Stripe's preexisting augments into BJ. The alicornication was similarly based on an existing Steelpony design with a pre-war computer genius manipulating which components it added. Her "black legs" upgrade was the only one that was truly cobbled together, and they were just building on the Steelpony platform, and had a pre-war cyberneticist (Rover) to help. Scotch Tape's new lungs were thanks to the intended use of a stasis pod and Project Chimera's cloning tree.

If the ministry that could pull together megaspells to fuse a pony with a cockatrice (and that invented the surrogate spell in the first place) says "almost no chance", I'll accept that. The alternatives might be a lot more "out there", but they seem like better bets.

Regarding Scotch: It's a very uncomfortable option, I know, but one more reason she might be the final choice -- foreshadowing. In BJ's dream/vision of the dark future, Scotch was branded as a "breeder". Wouldn't it be ironic if Scotch willingly became an un-twisted reflection of a twisted future?
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Post by Adalbertus on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:37 pm

SilentCarto wrote:*all that he said*

I was actually thinking about having all that pre-war tech and getting it work, as, you know, a miracle. Putting together cybernetics for Blackjack using few different steelpony designs and whatever they could find, that for example would probably never happen in pre-war Equestria, because even if forced by circumstances they'd decide against such risk. 
Now don't get me wrong, if there really is no chance for a successful surrogacy, there there is no chance, period. But what I'm assuming here is that the little info we have on the spell is from a pamphlet designed to inform the society about the issue. There's probably a huge margin of error in place there and a lot of simplifications. Just like in real life.

And again, my vote is for Boo, since she's probably designed to ensure maximum compatibility with other ponies, as an universal organ donor.
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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:13 pm

I just checked the calender. Looks like snipe's birthday was a couple days ago. So if he still checks this thread happy late birthday Snipe.

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:18 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
Regarding Scotch: It's a very uncomfortable option, I know, but one more reason she might be the final choice -- foreshadowing. In BJ's dream/vision of the dark future, Scotch was branded as a "breeder". Wouldn't it be ironic if Scotch willingly became an un-twisted reflection of a twisted future?

I think this is likely. All the predictions came true as far as I can tell. BJ was reborn, priest died, Glory was mutated, Lacunea is gone. So scotch and P-21 are the only two remaining. And maybe Majina?

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Post by Icy Shake on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:27 pm

Adalbertus wrote:
Last wrote:All Glory had to do to save herself was to leave BJ (Which wasn't much of an option.) so she lost these things to BJ. At least that's my point of view.
It's hard to say, really, how many of those sacrifices were to BJ and how many to the times and places she found herself.  It's more like, "wasteland sucks" and quite frankly she stayed alive only because she was with Blackjack. It was a cruel payment for survival and not a sacrifice to her love. But this ultimately doesn't matter. Glory doesn't need any reason beyond love to ask Blackjack to respect her decision about monogamistic(is that a word?) nature of their relationship. She doesn't need to list all the things she lost or sacrificed and talks like that only serve to play down the actual feeling they have for each other.
I largely agree here; it's not about who gave up what and why, and frankly making it about that would be missing the point. However, I look at it from a perspective where while Glory has every right to ask Blackjack to be monogamous, Blackjack would be no less right to ask that she be allowed to have sex outside of their relationship. I think it's symmetrical, and in either case one is asking the other to make a concession, which may or may not be worth making.

Of course, Blackjack already agreed to do so, or at least to give it a try, and that makes a big difference. That said, things get reevaluated all the time, and there's no reason to think that she'd necessarily always feel the same way. I don't particularly expect that to change, but who knows? It might never come up, though, because one of the things that's been hanging out there for a long time is that Glory felt not only jealousy with respect to Blackjack, even before they were a couple, but also envy with respect to her sexual outlook. That could influence her thinking going forward, especially if or as she comes to see that, yes, Blackjack does (and therefore, in principle, Glory can) compartmentalize different aspects of her relationship life. Or maybe we'll end up with a full-on Gloryjack-21 poly coupling. Or something else.

Also, "monogamistic" is a word, but kind of archaic; the more common one for that situation is "monogamous."
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