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Post by Katarn on Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:46 pm

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Post by Jeremyrush on Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:01 pm

People get cards? I want a card. Why don't I get a card? Somber got a card. Somber got an underpowered card. A card would be nice.

In other news, Boo is now cakeomancer. This is canon.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Katarn on Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:11 pm

Didn't play in this card game. But still wonder how I would look like :D
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Somber on Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:58 pm

Well if you really want to know, I have an idea for a fantasy story in which a princess is forced to conceal her gender in order to inheret her father's throne. To this end, she's been part of an indepth deception where her entire childhood has been sheltered and prescribed and she is a virtual prisoner. All this changes when an orphan boy stumbled on her in her bath and realizes that the prince is a girl, and that he is very quickly about to be another annoymous corpse dumped in the woods. Kith, however, impresses upon the Prince's keeper Valdeer that it's really wierd how the Prince is locked up and almost nobody knows anything about him. Valdeer accepts that if things continue as they are, the only thing Aerith will rule will be her own chamber pot. And so Kith becomes the Prince's 'companion', a role many aristocrats employ as friends, lovers, and thugs. As Aerith grows up, he tries to help her maintain the facade and he is taught by Valdeer to become a companion worth having; teaching him swordsplay and intrigue. Aerith, meanwhile, grows more and more aware how things are wrong in the kingdom. Kith explains that between the crown, the aristocrats, and the merchants, the commoners are taxed and pinched within an inch of their lives. Courts are for sale and aristocrats are virtually untouchable. Her father's myopia on preserving his rule and not having the crown go to her uncle or cousins (one would sell the kingdom, literally, to its neighbors. The others are a vicious psychopath, an utterly incompetant coward, and one who would be okay if he weren't twelve.) has allowed he kingdom to deteriorate badly.

So Aerith has to convince the aristocrats that she is a boy, that she is competent enough to rule, smart enough not to screw up, decadent enough she won't disrupt the aristocrat's status quo, and good enough to appeal to the masses. She's just getting her feet under her... when her father dies. The church of immaculate order (think catholics with nukes) has to inspect her 'virtue of the flesh' to make sure she's of the appropriate gender. After all, if a woman assumes the throne she could be a wych with infernal powers. So one of Aerith's servants starts a war with the barbarians to the north.

And then... of course... Aerith really turns out to be a wych after all...

Yeah... This is why I can't write short stories....
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Post by Katarn on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:05 pm

Tilt
I would like to read this story. No, really. It's interesting plot you have.
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Post by NoodleNugget on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:26 pm

Actually that does sound rather interesting.

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Post by Rboy474 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:27 pm

That is pretty interesting. Can't wait to see it someday are you waiting to start after PH is done or are they side by side things.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kippershy on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:28 pm

Somber wrote:Well if you really want to know, I have an idea for a fantasy story in which a princess is forced to conceal her gender in order to inheret her father's throne. To this end, she's been part of an indepth deception where her entire childhood has been sheltered and prescribed and she is a virtual prisoner. All this changes when an orphan boy stumbled on her in her bath and realizes that the prince is a girl, and that he is very quickly about to be another annoymous corpse dumped in the woods. Kith, however, impresses upon the Prince's keeper Valdeer that it's really wierd how the Prince is locked up and almost nobody knows anything about him. Valdeer accepts that if things continue as they are, the only thing Aerith will rule will be her own chamber pot. And so Kith becomes the Prince's 'companion', a role many aristocrats employ as friends, lovers, and thugs. As Aerith grows up, he tries to help her maintain the facade and he is taught by Valdeer to become a companion worth having; teaching him swordsplay and intrigue. Aerith, meanwhile, grows more and more aware how things are wrong in the kingdom. Kith explains that between the crown, the aristocrats, and the merchants, the commoners are taxed and pinched within an inch of their lives. Courts are for sale and aristocrats are virtually untouchable. Her father's myopia on preserving his rule and not having the crown go to her uncle or cousins (one would sell the kingdom, literally, to its neighbors. The others are a vicious psychopath, an utterly incompetant coward, and one who would be okay if he weren't twelve.) has allowed he kingdom to deteriorate badly.

So Aerith has to convince the aristocrats that she is a boy, that she is competent enough to rule, smart enough not to screw up, decadent enough she won't disrupt the aristocrat's status quo, and good enough to appeal to the masses. She's just getting her feet under her... when her father dies. The church of immaculate order (think catholics with nukes) has to inspect her 'virtue of the flesh' to make sure she's of the appropriate gender. After all, if a woman assumes the throne she could be a wych with infernal powers. So one of Aerith's servants starts a war with the barbarians to the north.

And then... of course... Aerith really turns out to be a wych after all...

Yeah... This is why I can't write short stories....

While it may not be ponies, it sounds interesting all the same.
It may have been the pony aspect that drew me to your story at first, but it's definitely the writing skill, characters & their development that keeps me here (along with plot of course).

So whenever you do start that, let us know, eh? =)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ketchup on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:35 pm

That storyline reminds me a little of Fable 3's and something else I can't identify, which is bugging the crap out of me. It looks solid, though Fantasy isn't really my thing. Which era of technological development would it be set in?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ketchup on Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:40 pm

Katarn wrote:Didn't play in this card game. But still wonder how I would look like :D
I suggest you look into it. It requires strategic ability and is rather stimulating. I don't know if it is available in Ukraine or the language though, but I know it exists in German at least.
It's called Magic the Gathering.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Katarn on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:33 pm

Yeah, I've heard from my friend about MtG. I think there are this game at least in russian.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Rafafidi on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:59 pm

@Somber
Do I see a bit of "Princess Knight" in this history?
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Post by Rafafidi on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:07 pm

You're all writing the wrong name of this card game, it's not "Magic the Gathering", it's "Tragic: The Garnering", because of Fallout 2.</pedantic>
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:08 pm

@Kattlarv:
Ah, thank you for your error-spotting.
Kattlarv wrote:while assassination only partially breaks canon, (she was made to shot the heart instead of head)
Eh? What exactly do you mean?

Somber wrote:story idea
Hm, sounds like it could be interesting, and knowing you the quality would be good. Nontechnological fantasy isn't really my thing, but perhaps the quality of a Somber story could make up for that.
edit: Ohhh, but it occurs to me that there's a good chance that a friend of mine would quite love that, and she's a professional copyeditor. I don't know whether the two of you would actually be able to work something out, but I could introduce you if you'd like.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Somber on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:26 pm

ketchup504 wrote:That storyline reminds me a little of Fable 3's and something else I can't identify, which is bugging the crap out of me. It looks solid, though Fantasy isn't really my thing. Which era of technological development would it be set in?

The technology is early Renaissance / roman. Steam is starting to make itself known. Chemistry exists as 'alchemy' and gunpowder and cannons are becoming increasingly common. Magic does exist though. Low magic is one step above David Copperfield, and comprises tricks, illusions, and simple transformations. High Magic, however, is the equivalent of fantasy WMD, tapping into potent powers of the universe. The Immaculate Order controls one form of the WMD and enjoys a disproportionate amount of political clout because of it. They've only used it twice to smite a country and even two hundred years later no one wants to be the third. Seriously. Tirel is still on fire. The only other group are the Wyches, female spellcasters of the far north. Needless to say, the two groups loathe each other with a passion and the immaculate order does all it can to keep a Wych off the throne. Last thing they want is any crown that can slip out from under their thumb. The order and Wyches have a MAD pact going, but they're both determined to destroy each other. They once co-ruled the world before one side betrayed the other.

There are other races, but humanity is by far the most predominate. Elves are nearly extinct as they are too spread out and immortal to bother reproducing. They believe themselves the peak of civilization, and use all that time to get drunk, laid, and sit on their asses. Dwarves are insular, but every community worth its salt has a Dwarven enclave. They're excellent at getting and loaning money, but every now and then humans will cry 'Dwarven Conspiracy' and turn on them. Dwarves just run for their lives, wait a human generation, get invited back, sweep out the ashes, and raise interest rates. And the cycle continues. Faekind are everything from Goblins to Ogres to nymphs and generally are persecuted and marginalized. Some are borderline enslaved. None have a country of their own as the faerie are beyond this world and regard it as something like a TV show. We're not 'real' to them. So they love our stories and drama but lack any real appreciation or care for it.

Yeah, been thinking about it a long time. But I won't put words down till Horizons is finished. I also have a sci-fi fic in mind too... that one might be shorter.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:33 pm

In
the other far corner of the room, opposite the kitchen, was another
blackened skeleton of a pony. I was just sitting down to try my hoof at
hacking the terminal when I noticed it, and something buried within the
bones.


Curious,
I got up and trotted over. What I had glimpsed was a spot of color,
clean, unmarred by the balefire that engulfed this place. Looking
closer, I could see a statuette amongst the long dead pony’s ribcage. A
young purple unicorn with pink and violet stripes in her lavender hair.
Twilight Sparkle.

I don't see anything referring to a headshot or a chest shot for Pinkie's death.

Also, has anyone made any connection between Echo and Whisper? I just feel like there is something. Also, who is Garnet again?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:14 pm

Katarn wrote: Tilt
I would like to read this story. No, really. It's interesting plot you have.
So what you're saying is, Somber has a great plot? Spike

No, but seriously. Sounds really interesting! I'd have to question, if low magic can do simple transformations and wyches have high magic, why Aerith can't magic up the appropriate equipment to pass inspection.
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Post by SilentCarto on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:17 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:I don't see anything referring to a headshot or a chest shot for Pinkie's death.
Also, has anyone made any connection between Echo and Whisper? I just feel like there is something. Also, who is Garnet again?
Yeah, by FOE canon, Pinkie was killed by the balefire burst, not a bullet at all. No headshot has ever been mentioned.

Garnet is one of the OIA Director's assistants, and appears to be the one specifically assigned to the MoP.
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Post by Derpmind on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:19 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:I don't see anything referring to a headshot or a chest shot for Pinkie's death.

Also, has anyone made any connection between Echo and Whisper? I just feel like there is something. Also, who is Garnet again?
There is no evidence there disproving that Pinkie was shot. Originally Kkat didn't describe Pinkie's death directly, so the scene in ch.45 is exclusively Somber's writing.
Let's see, I had a bit of time to burn so I searched for Garnet. Ctrl-F indicates that she shows up in chapters 45, 43, 33, 19, 8, and 6. (I was going backwards.)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:22 pm

Somber wrote: ... Dwarves are insular, but every community worth its salt has a Dwarven enclave. They're excellent at getting and loaning money, but every now and then humans will cry 'Dwarven Conspiracy' and turn on them. Dwarves just run for their lives, wait a human generation, get invited back, sweep out the ashes, and raise interest rates. And the cycle continues. ...

Yeah, been thinking about it a long time. But I won't put words down till Horizons is finished. I also have a sci-fi fic in mind too... that one might be shorter.

I'm liking the base of this world-building already, though what stood out the most to me were the Dwarves. It seems like you might be going with Tolkein's Semitic base turned up a notch, even if that's just my first impression. Nice to have more diversity in Dwarves than having them all be Scots.

Anyway, would definitely give that story a shot if you get around to it. Your writing really improves any day it touches, so thank you--and your editors--for all the work you put into it.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Orm on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:23 pm

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:32 pm

@SilentCarto & Kipper
Man... you know, it's hard enough for me to post parody knowing I'm screwing up the characters, possibly annoying Somber and others in the process. Now I have to do the same thing for real people? Please don't get mad at me for this -_-

Also: couldn't find relevant quotes to replace my meh, so I didn't.

Spoiler:

Short forward to my silliness here, as it is now relevant:creatures represent users, enchantments represent topics/events and instants/sorceries are posts (the determination between the two being based entirely on what they do).
Here are some examples of enchantments:


That done, here are the cards based on you two:





And, just so you know what its companion looks like:


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Post by Ketchup on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:53 pm

swicked wrote:@SilentCarto & Kipper
Man... you know, it's hard enough for me to post parody knowing I'm screwing up the characters, possibly annoying Somber and others in the process. Now I have to do the same thing for real people? Please don't get mad at me for this -_-

Also: couldn't find relevant quotes to replace my meh, so I didn't.

Spoiler:

Short forward to my silliness here, as it is now relevant:creatures represent users, enchantments represent topics/events and instants/sorceries are posts (the determination between the two being based entirely on what they do).
Here are some examples of enchantments:


That done, here are the cards based on you two:





And, just so you know what its companion looks like:

I like the SilentCarto ones, they are funny and they would be useful.

I probably have no quotes to turn into cards.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:01 pm

Sindri wrote:Better you than me!

Seriously though, do not do what I do.
Kippershy wrote:HEY HEY HEY

IF ANYTHING, WHY IS SOMEONE LOOKING AT ME AS A ROLEMODEL?

I mean.. god damn, the fate of humanity in MY hands?
I'd trust either of you to lead over myself any day - though there is always the option of running a unified front of "don't do this and you'll be fine".

swicked wrote:Gonna try and think up some more if this actually becomes a thing o_o
Oh certainly it should become a thing, it's good fun.

Somber wrote:It's fine. It's just sad in that there's people who
tell me 'why to do write so grimdark?' or 'How does it get so bleak' and
the answer is 'Its not that dark for me.' I know things suck for BJ,
but honestly what comes out of my head is just 'what works best for the
narrative' and when its done folks read it and go 'Dude, this is dark!'
and I can only shrug and apologize. It is as it is, and it has me
concerned for when I work on my next project if that's going to be too
dark too. I'm more concerned that it upset you, Ryx. ::hugs:: You're a
great pony and a wonderful artist and I'm glad to know you. Don't
worry about me.
It is sad that people can't understand it (not that people are naturally very understanding...). For one thing, it's a post-apocalyptic wasteland, it's supposed to be dark, and even still you make the darkness work, and still manage to throw in some lightness (and even some genuinely happy moments). Secondly, Rarity's Rodeo was a perfectly normal, happy story. Sure it had an undercurrent of sadness, but it was hardly any more sad than an average episode of the show.
I really was worried for you, sir, I always worry for you because you're a wonderful pony too, and I just want you to be okay because you deserve to be happy. *hugs you back*
And thank you so much sir, I'm always honored to receive such compliments, but especially so when they're from you. I'm very happy to know you as well.
*hugs again*

Ice Crystal wrote:About that picture:
*hugs Miss Ice too*

SilentCarto wrote:[Queen Snack Cake Victorious]
I just don't know what's up with me ascribing superpowers to Boo.
Heh, it's cute Silent XD
And well it must be because Boo is so super.

O. Hinds wrote:
Somber wrote:Well if you really want to know, I
have an idea for a fantasy story
Hm, sounds like it could be
interesting, and knowing you the quality
would be good. Nontechnological fantasy isn't really my thing, but
perhaps the quality of a Somber story could make up for that.
edit:
Ohhh, but it occurs to me that there's a good chance that a friend of
mine would quite love that, and she's a professional copyeditor. I
don't know whether the two of you would actually be able to work
something out, but I could introduce you if you'd like.
It does sound like an interesting idea, Somber, though I hope (unless you can actually get a contract for writing it) that I don't have the pleasure of reading it for quite some time yet, because I don't want you forcing yourself to rush through PH just to finish it. And yes, I would definitely encourage you to talk to Hinds' friend, it may not lead to anything but any chance is still a chance.

SilentCarto wrote:
OneMoreDaySK wrote:I don't see anything referring to a headshot or a chest shot for Pinkie's death.
Yeah, by FOE canon, Pinkie was killed by the balefire burst, not a bullet at all. No headshot has ever been mentioned.
I believe the old saying goes "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

swicked wrote:[maaaaagic]
Debate seems like a very appropriate card, though it would need a picture of Random and Sindri arm-wrestling in the final version. Kipper Posts and Kim Posts are funny too.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Somber on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:09 pm

I just hated the idea of Pinkie Pie burning to death. I really... really... hated it. When I read ch 15 (?) I was in tears and actually said 'oh my god, pinkie burned!'

So yeah, this is my attempt to change that, if only for me.
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Post by swicked on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:13 pm

Somber wrote:I just hated the idea of Pinkie Pie burning to death. I really... really... hated it. When I read ch 15 (?) I was in tears and actually said 'oh my god, pinkie burned!'

So yeah, this is my attempt to change that, if only for me.
Agreed. Wasn't in tears, but that didn't sit right with me, either. Especially on top of her final message never reaching Twilight. :(

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CamoBadger on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:18 pm

WavemasterRyx wrote:
*hugs Miss Ice too*
D'aw, you're sweet *hugs back*

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:23 pm

Freaking Magic, how does it work?

So I just found this, apparently Mech's been holding out on us.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:48 pm

Somber wrote:
I need to read this. And hey, it's entirely original, so if we get a publisher in here...

I might be seeing a little of Sapkowski in the basic politics, renaissance + magic is always awesome, plot seems good, it's Somber so you know the characters and writing are going to be magnificent... This is a thing that needs to happen, and be published, and read by all. After 30-40 more chapters of Project Horizons.


OneMoreDaySK wrote:I don't see anything referring to a headshot or a chest shot for Pinkie's death.
There definitely wasn't a headshot. As for chest, there are a lot of parts of the torso that you can put a bullet through without marking the bones (at least not in a way that wouldn't take a serious forensic team to spot). And given that the statuette was "amongst" the ribcage, it wasn't a pretty little cage anymore; it was scattered or at least spread enough for a figurine to work its way inside. Littlepip doesn't have a great deal of medical skill, so a two century old deformed skeleton doesn't tell her anything.

Expect that she clearly didn't burn, because they would be visible on all the bones. I'd assumed it was a slow death by radiation at first, but really anything that only affected soft tissue or was highly localized would work.

Why is it that everybody's first impulse is to assume that the writer made a mistake, rather than thinking for a moment?
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