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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Silver136 Thu May 15, 2014 10:42 am
I thought it was kinda funny. In fact I compared the Equestrian Games build up (and horrible disappointment) to the ME3 ending.Harmony Ltd. wrote:See Mass Effect 3 ending's nerdrage.
Also, did you know there's another ending if you shoot the Reaper hologram kid in his stupid face?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Vinylshadow Thu May 15, 2014 1:36 pm
Four Alicorn Princesses can't stop a slow-falling frozen cloud
haha...by Moonbutt's cold [expletive removed], that is completely idiotic...
Well...Blackjack's mind is now in control of the Core, her blank body's been kicked over the edge of a pit and Princess Luna is royally screwed
haha...by Moonbutt's cold [expletive removed], that is completely idiotic...
Well...Blackjack's mind is now in control of the Core, her blank body's been kicked over the edge of a pit and Princess Luna is royally screwed
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by FeatherDust Thu May 15, 2014 4:06 pm
Yes, because they all had their magic sealed at the "metal detectors" the same way Rarity did.Vinylshadow wrote:Four Alicorn Princesses can't stop a slow-falling frozen cloud
Which seems absurd; why would you seal the princesses? But, perhaps it's fridge brilliance: Somebody noticed or figured out that it was Twilight and not Spike who lit the torch, and got worried that one of the princesses would interfere with more than just the opening ceremonies..!
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Icy Shake Thu May 15, 2014 8:32 pm
I won't say it wasn't unbalanced; it was. But her religion was devoted to both Celestia and Luna[1][2], but I wouldn't particularly doubt that there was some prodding to make her more aligned with Luna. But I don't know just how much was necessary: Celestia was the princess who took away her best friend (actually, prompted her to force him away), while Luna comforted her, empathized with and confided in her, and found her a new home and the closest thing she ended up having to a family (basically, I think a good deal of the difference is purely personal)[3]. It's possible, of course, that that particular understanding of Hell came from outside prodding, but it's worth remembering that Psalm considered herself unworthy of happiness from a very young age, not to mention considering herself a mass murderer from the start of her military career, if Twist is to be believed. On top of that, I have to imagine that she stopped praying to Celestia after Shattered Hoof Ridge; I just have trouble seeing her praying to the goddess she killed for forgiveness.swicked wrote:Psalm is a bit of a bad example. She was purposely manipulated into becoming more and more of a mindless zealot, devoted to doing anything she thought Luna commanded of her without question. We still don't know if Luna put her up to this personally, or if she was a product of an OIA agent indoctrination program, which might have even tailored their means of motivation to each individual agent, Psalm's pressure point being having her do more and more horrible things to make her feel more and more spiritually indebted. It was a very clever, vicious cycle.Icy Shake wrote:So for her, at least, it didn't seem to be very redemptive.Chapter Forty Five wrote:“You there! Halt! Who--” a mare in a maintenance suit shouted. Without hesitating, without even thinking about it, I drew my IF-44 submachine gun and put a three round burst in her chest. A curious hollowness filled me as I trotted over her body and walked to the door, entering a security bypass password that opened to a tunnel filled with magical radiation, reeking smoke, and screams. It was a promise of what was to come if I did not serve and receive absolution for my sins.
Besides, her "religion" was entirely based on redemption that could only be granted by Luna, it seemed. SHe only ever seemed reverent to one goddess, after all, likely due to Golden's prodding. If her faith was part of something older than Luna's return, you'd expect it to include Celestia as a source of possible redemption.
But if this was bigger than Pslam, I'd expect it to be a product of Image, creating and nurturing a faith to rival that of the zebra's in order to drive their soldiers to be as ferocious and unconcerned with their lives as the zebra were, preferring to secure their afterlives instead.
On the point that it could be related to whether her religiosity extends past Luna's return, I'd just point out that the best guess for her age is roughly the same as Twist, so she was pretty young at the time.
- [1]:
- Chapter 10 wrote: The pegasus beside me looked sad as we looked over at the black unicorn staring downhill, her lips moving softly. She made slow, almost mechanical, shots with a long-barreled rifle. BLAM! “Forgive me Luna, for I have sinned: I have taken the life of another.” BLAM! “Forgive me Celestia, for I have sinned: I have taken the life of another.” BLAM! BLAM BLAM BLAM… each death came with a plea for forgiveness in a hopeless whisper.
I was seeing the forging of the Wasteland before my very eyes, one crushed soul at a time. Well… Stonewing’s eyes… ugh! These memory orbs were confusing!
- [2]:
- Chapter 27 wrote:I trotted across this hellscape for who knew how long before I spotted them. A tree. A street lamp. A chapel… one that I knew.
Slowly, I approached the building, my normal colors returning as I stepped inside. Something was definitely off, though. Things seemed to blur and run together in the corners of my vision and only come into focus when I looked directly at them. The building seemed off, as well: larger and better built than I recalled. It was late, the room lit only by candles and the city glow through the window.
“Sweet Celestia, please forgive me, for I have taken the life of another. Dearest Luna, please forgive me, for I have taken the life of another,” a young mare whispered as she sat on a small pillow beside me. She was jet black with a cutie mark of a lit candle. She rocked slowly back and forth, head bowed as she murmured the lines over and over again.
“Lacunae?” I asked softly as I stood beside her. No response. Then I reached down and stopped her rocking. She blinked, then slowly looked up at me. “Psalm?”
“Who are you? You shouldn’t be here. The chapel is closed until the Goddess wishes to return.”
The gale outside made the building rock and creak. “Psalm… this isn’t real, is it?”
She shook as she dropped her gaze to her hooves. “Sweet Celestia, please forgive me, for I have taken the life of another…” she began again, shaking as she clenched her eyes shut.
I stopped her again, the whole building rocking and groaning in the wind. “Psalm… you’re the Marauder, Psalm.” She gasped, her eyes going wide. “Macintosh’s Marauders?”
Before my eyes, she aged to the black mare in body armor. She hugged the sniper rifle, bowing her head. “This is my penance.”
“Your penance? For what?”
“For us,” whispered a host around us. I turned my head, and dozens of zebras appeared around us… and ponies too. “Why did you kill us, Psalm? Did your Goddess forgive you for our murders?” they whispered in unison. Each one had a perfect ring in their head, with matching holes blown out opposite sides.
“Sweet Celestia, please forgive me…” she prayed desperately. I looked at the dead. The zebras I could understand, but why ponies? Why… young ponies?
“Psalm… what did you do?” I asked softly.
“She took the shot. Pulled the trigger. Ended our lives. She deserves to go to Hell. Eternal punishment. Not forgiveness.”
“No!” Psalm cried out as she hugged the rifle tighter. “The Goddess forgave me! The Goddess took me in Unity!”
“The Goddess cut you off! Unworthy! Blood soaked hooves!” wailed the host. “You killed my family. You killed my children! You killed me!” shrieked the undead host around her as the building continued to creak and shake like it was about to come apart.
I stared at Psalm. Doof had been a rapist. Vanity had worked for Goldenblood. What had happened to Psalm after the Marauders split up? Slowly I knelt, reaching out to hold her. “Psalm… I know what it’s like to do the wrong thing. I know what it’s like… to kill… because it’s all you can do. Because you have no choice,” I said softly.
“She had a choice!” roared the slain. “She chose to pull the trigger!”
“F…F…Forgive me… for… for I…” she stammered softly.
“I do,” I said quietly. “I forgive you.” I pulled the plug. I pushed the button. I knew what it was like to damn myself. For all I knew, Psalm was a monster worse than Deus, but right now she needed my forgiveness. After all, there was no way she could forgive herself.
- [3] (I'm just quoting the whole section because frankly it's worth it.:
- Chapter 51 wrote:The hallway stretched out in one long tunnel punctuated by tiny little bedrooms on one side and cloudy windows on the other. Foals, colts, and fillies all moved around with a hushed tone. Not that laughter was forbidden here, but it was an alien sound in the sullen, gray building. Somepony had tried to cheer up the place with pictures of smiling children, but they were flat, stale images. Nopony who lived here ever smiled like that.
I knelt down, two small hooves moving a ragged brush, trying to scrub the mud tracked in from the field outside off the faded beige linoleum tiles. It was raining again; that was nothing new. It was always raining, even when it wasn’t. The filmy windows gave the impression of a constant downpour outside in the sunniest of weather.
“Hey Balm,” said a colt as he trotted in, leaving fresh hoofprints across the just-cleaned floor. He wasn’t being unkind. Most fillies and colts weren’t around long enough to learn each other’s names. You didn’t want to stay here long enough to have ponies learn your name. I didn’t reply; he was already heading down to his room, which he shared with two other colts. I silently started cleaning the messy hoofprints again.
“Let me help with that,” an orange unicorn colt with a shaggy yellow mane said, watching me work. “You’re never going to get this cleaned up, otherwise.” And he took another brush from the bucket and started to scrub beside me. “You need to really assert yourself. Show this mud who’s boss,” he said as he scrubbed back and forth hard. When another earth pony colt stepped in, he pointed his brush at the entrant. “Muddy hooves. Clean them! Now!” The abashed young pony gave his hooves a thorough scraping on the mat before continuing on.
“Thank you,” I said, barely above a whisper, as we finished the hall together.
“Don’t worry about it,” he said with a casual grin. “I’m Cheddar. I just got here.” There was a little pain in his eyes, but there was nothing new. We all had sad eyes. “Your name is… Calm? Palm? Buzz Bomb?”
“You… don’t want to know my name,” I murmured as I carried the bucket to the back door and threw the contents out into a puddle.
“Yes I do,” he contradicted, looking confused. “Why wouldn’t I?”
“If you know my name, it means you’ve been here too long.” I set the bucket and brushes in their little cubby behind the back door. “I’ve been here all my life. Ever since my mom left me here as a foal.”
He gave a little frown. “I thought nopony stays here more than a few months.”
I twisted my lips into the same mirthless smile I always wore, used to explaining this. “Most ponies don’t. You won’t. I can tell. So there’s no point in knowing my name. In a few weeks, you’ll find a family. So really, there’s no point in knowing it.” I didn’t raise my voice. There was always one every few months who wanted to be friends before they left. “But thank you for asking.” I turned away to go wash up before dinner.
He darted in front of me, meeting my eye with his. “I promise you, I’m going to go find out your name. And I’m not leaving till I do.”
It was a nice gesture. He hadn’t been the first to say something like it. But really, all friends did was hurt when they left.
But he didn’t leave; not that there weren’t parents who wanted to adopt him. While pleasant and witty most of the time, Cheddar became the moodiest orphan in the place when prospective parents interviewed him. And when they moved on to another child, the friend emerged again. He got his magic first, then his cutie mark and his talent. He could speak any language after hearing or reading it for a little while. His scroll-and-fountain-pen cutie mark was quite the envy of most of the colts. Still, even with such an amazing talent, he still refused to let himself get adopted.
We’d climb up on the roof on those rare days the skies were clear enough to see the stars. He’d make up wonderful stories about life on those distant points of light. Silly stories that made me laugh, and sad stories that made me feel better about my own situation. And even though I’d told him my name several times, he pretended like he still didn’t know it. Because he wouldn’t leave until he did. That was the promise.
And so, I had a friend. And that dingy building was a little less gray and hopeless. As colts and fillies came and went every few weeks, we became their temporary mom and dad. I kissed boo boos to make them better and he taught the fine art of spitballs. Sure, we had to go to the tired adults who actually cooked the food and took care of the adoptions from time to time, but even they were happy for our help. And a dream began to settle in; a dream where we’d eventually become adults ourselves. And we’d leave together when we were sure the orphanage was in good hooves. And he’d travel all around the world deciphering important things, and I’d see a world I could never imagine. A world where gray did not exist.
It was a pleasant dream.
Then, one day, Cheddar was called from the cafeteria. I didn’t think anything of it, at first. We weren’t having adoption interviews that day. I heard the sounds of muted shouting and rose to my hooves and trotted to the door. I gasped at the sight of two magnificent white pegasus stallions in gleaming golden armor. And I heard my friend inside shouting, “No! No, I won’t go! I won’t!”
“Cheddar!” admonished the headmaster. “One does not speak to your Princess like that!”
Princess? I stepped closer, then faltered. Even though the guards didn’t move an eye, I could feel them watching me. I simply stayed in the hall.
“It’s quite all right,” came the sweetest, most wonderful voice in all the world. It was a voice from the world of my dreams. “Cheddar, at my school you’ll be able to use your talents not just for yourself, but for all of Equestria. You’ll be able to learn greater kinds of magic and make a fresh start for yourself. You have so much possibility and potential, and the Headmaster knows that you could have easily been adopted by now.”
“It’s… it’s my friend, Princess. Psalm. She’s here too,” he said slowly. “Could she come to your school with me?”
“Ah, yes. Psalm,” said the headmaster delicately. “I’m afraid that she wouldn’t be a promising candidate, Your Majesty. You might as well have an earth pony student as her.”
“Don’t talk about her that way!” Cheddar snapped. “She’s… she’s just fine with magic!”
“I understand the bonds of friendship, Cheddar,” Celestia said in a firm, yet compassionate voice. “If she doesn’t have very much magical talent, I don’t think she would be happy there. She’d be surrounded by students of greater skill, and, despite my best efforts, many of them would look down upon her. I-“
“Well then that’s it,” Cheddar interrupted firmly. “Long as my friend is here, then I’m here too.”
“I’m terribly sorry about this, Your Majesty. Psalm is pleasant enough, but sad. Nopony wants to adopt a filly who never smiles. They think there’s something wrong with her,” the Headmaster mumbled. I retreated down the hall as I heard hooves approach the door. “Now, I know the children will be overjoyed to meet you. They should all be in the cafeteria, Your Majesty.”
I didn’t go into the cafeteria. I heard the inhalation of awe and the cries of glee and even a few who cried for joy at the sight of our wonderful ruler. Instead, I hid. There weren’t many hiding spots in the orphanage, but I’d found them all. Unfortunately, I’d shown them all to Cheddar. Still, there were a few that even he’d hesitate to check. After all, no sane pony would hide on a roof when it’s raining. I even caught sight of the Princess as she left in her glorious golden chariot to a life and places I couldn’t understand. And she’d wanted to take Cheddar with her…
“Hey. Shawalm?” called a voice from the roof access hatch, and I clenched my eyes as the rain hissed off the wooden slates. “What are you doing out here? You missed the Princess,” he said in worry as he trotted out. His mane immediately flattened in the steady drizzle as he took a seat beside me. It was starting to get dark…
“No, I didn’t,” I said as I stared at the cool Hoofington rain beading on my hooves. I wanted to hold onto the droplets, so clear and pure, but like everything else they trickled away from me. My voice was every bit as soft as the rain as I continued, “I heard you talking. She wants you to go to her school.”
He sighed. “Yeah. Celestia’s School for Gifted Unicorns. She wants to see if I can translate stuff like griffin runes, zebra glyphs, and dragon clawscript. I told her I wasn’t interested.” He nudged my shoulder. “I got to stay till I figure out your name.”
For one brief second, I felt warm and smiled a little. Just a little. Still, it made what came next all the worse. I closed my eyes and spat out the words that were choking me. “You should go.”
He started to laugh, but that quickly died. He knew I didn’t make jokes. “Come on. I won’t deny that it was tempting, but I couldn’t just leave you.”
“You should have left months ago!” I said sharply, turning my face from him. “You… you could have had a home! After a week. The only reason you’re staying in this horrible place is because of me!”
“Well, yeah!” he said in angry confusion. “I mean, you’re my friend.”
“I can’t let you throw your life away for me,” I replied and stood. “I’m not worth you giving up a future where you could be somepony! Everypony here dreams of finding a family again. Everypony. You lost yours. I never had mine. And there’s twenty other colts and fillies who could only dream of having the chance that you’re throwing away! It’s stupid, and you’re stupid for doing it!”
He stared at me in shock. “But, Psalm, I-- You…” A hurt look rose in his eyes and he asked in a voice I could barely hear over the rain, “Would you go and leave me if she offered it to you?”
I couldn’t look at him as I spat out the lie, “In a heartbeat.” And with that, it felt as if my own heart had stopped.
There was no answer but his rapid breathing. Then he said sharply, “Well… I guess I better go pack then!” When I didn’t say what he wanted to hear, he spat out angrily, “Wouldn’t want to miss my golden opportunity, would I?”
“I guess you better!” I shouted back, clenching my eyes shut. If I looked at him… If I looked…
“Fine!” he snapped.
“Fine!” I yelled back.
“If I’d known girls were so… so… urrrgh!” He trotted to the hatch and slammed it shut behind him.
“Goodbye,” I whispered as I turned my face into the rain. Cold rain, and warm.
I don’t know how long I sat there. I was still up there when the golden chariot returned, sans Princess, to take Cheddar away with his small bag of belongings. He looked up at me, but he didn’t wave before he flew away. I felt a chill, but I didn’t much care. I didn’t care about anything at that moment. I’d broken the one thing holding him to this dreadful place. The children would be upset. Mommy would be sad and Daddy would be gone; nothing new to some of them. And I’d stay here and grow up and grow old and try to help every last one of them find a better place to live. And then, I’d die here.
“Not that it isn’t terribly dramatic, but don’t you know young unicorns should get out of the rain?” a mare asked above me, her voice soft and bright. The rain stopped in a semi-circle around me and I looked up at a dark form drifting down to stand before me. Beads of starlight seemed to shimmer in her magically billowing mane and she wore a tiara the color of sky just after the last reds of sunset faded from view. Her majestic wings folded beside her and her horn glowed once. Instantly the water on my coat disappeared. Then she summoned a black wool blanket and draped it around me. I hugged the fabric close. “I was hoping to catch my sister here after I raised the moon, but it looks like she’s still on the move.” Princess Luna gave a small smile. “Now… what’s the matter?”
I knew I shouldn’t. That it was terribly impolite for me to do so, but I took one last look into her concerned blue eyes and pressed my face to her side and bawled like I never had before. Somewhere in all that blubbering, I got out the story of what had happened to Cheddar and how I’d thrown away my first and only friendship so he could have a chance at Princess Celestia’s school and that now I was going to be stuck at the orphanage alone forever.
It had to be dreadfully rude to snot up a Princess’ coat, but after I got everything out I was quite a mess, both from grief and the budding cold. “I see. It’s a rare pony who can give up what she wants for another’s happiness. Your friend must be quite special for you to give him that.” She lifted my chin and gave me a comforting smile. “I know that it’s not easy being the sad pony. To feel like you don’t deserve anything good in your life. But you do. Everypony does.”
“I don’t…” I muttered softly, looking at her pristine hoof. Not a future. Not a friend. Not even a mother or father…
“You do,” she repeated, firmly. “So here is what I want you to do, Psalm. I want you to hang on. I’m going to see what I can do for you, but it may take some time. Everything’s so busy right now, but I promise that somehow I will give you a way to be with your friend.”
“You… you don’t have to…” I whispered, horrified that I’d be such a bother to her. “I’m not worth the trouble.”
“It’s ponies who think they aren’t who are. I know what it’s like to feel worthless and unloved,” she said as she lifted me with her magic and flew me down to the front gate of the orphanage. “Please, be patient. Have faith. I’ll try and help you soon.”
I spent the next week sick in bed. The children started to avoid me; Cheddar had been popular and more than a few of the young ones blamed me, correctly, for his leaving. I washed the hall of muddy hoofprints by myself, and it took me far longer than the old times when it had been just myself working the scrub brushes. I had no right to complain, though. I’d brought this on myself. For a short while, I’d hoped something might happen. That a chariot would come and sweep me off to Canterlot. Maybe I’d work in the kitchens; I’d be okay with that. So long as I could tell him I was sorry. The chariot never came, though. Princess Luna was a very important pony; I had to be patient. I had to.
Over the next month the orphanage got lonelier and lonelier. The youngest went first, then older and older. Soon we were a dozen. Ten. Eight. Four. The mare who cooked for us left. Three. We all ate together with the old stallion headmaster. We didn’t talk. And little by little, things started disappearing into boxes and crates. Then those too disappeared. I washed the halls even though there weren’t any more muddy tracks to clean. Two. One…
Finally, the orphanage was empty. “There’s a new one,” the Headmaster says, “A larger one for children whose families were lost in the war.” He was going to see that I was transferred there. Then he was retiring. He says he’s sure I’ll find a family there. Those are the same words I’ve heard all my life. It’ll be cleaner. Newer. Brighter. I can’t imagine it. This dingy gray building is the world. It’s all I know. I can’t leave it. Perhaps I can stay after the Headmaster goes. Clean the floors. Keep it intact for unwanted things…
He tells me to pack; says he’ll return in a few hours to take me to the new orphanage. I am left all alone in the empty building. I walk the scrubbed, faded beige linoleum walkway. I peeked into the empty little bedrooms, bunk beds stripped of their mattresses and sheets. There’re a few old toys, broken things, sitting forlorn in the corners. I gathered them up in a blanket. I don’t know what I’ll do with them; nopony wants broken toys.
Luna. She’d said she’d help. She’d said to be patient. I imagined I could hear her voice calling me… But I couldn’t be patient any more. I was out of time! I crouched there, eyes clenched shut. “Please…” I whispered. “Please, Princess Luna… Please…” I trembled as I curled up, as if trying to disappear so that when the Headmaster returned, I’d be gone. Those three words kept me anchored there; the moment I couldn’t say them anymore was the moment I was finished. They were the single light in the blackness that threatened to consume me. If it took me, I didn’t know what I’d do.
“Psalm,” came the soft voice above me.
Slowly I looked up at the beautiful dusky dark shape of the princess of the night. My eyes met hers, and I saw the understanding of the pain within me. Her lips slowly turned in a soft smile. “We were calling you, dear.”
“I… I thought I was imagining…” My feeble words dribbled out before I lowered my gaze.
“I told you I’d come back.” Luna said softly as she knelt beside me and stretched her soft wing around to pull me close to her warm body. The dam broke and all at once I was sobbing once more; but I knew this time the Princess wouldn’t be troubled by a weeping filly. “Shh…” she hushed as she nuzzled me. “It’s alright. I’d never leave you in a place like this.” I blinked and looked up into her eyes. “I found someone to take care of you.” At once my ears folded a little but she hugged me closer. “None of that. You’re the last one, Psalm. It’s your turn. You deserve a chance at happiness too.”
She looked at the doorway. “Come on in. You’re such a horrible lurker.” There was a shift at the door, and then a handsome young stallion slowly walked into the room. His yellow eyes met mine with a wary look, the eyes of a pony who’d been hurt.
“Who… who are you?” I asked warily.
“My name is Goldenblood,” he replied as he sat next to my bed. He looked up at the Princess. “Luna’s… well…”
“I finally convinced him that leading a life of being a lonely intellectual was overrated,” Luna replied, making the young stallion flush. “And he’s agreed to look after you.”
“Look after me?” I dropped my gaze. “But… I don’t… I can’t…”
“I know, but you do and you can,” Luna said gently, smiling, but her deep eyes were filled to the brim with sympathy. “Listen, Psalm. I want to tell you something that I’ve never told anypony. A long time ago, I did something really bad, and my sister sent me to the moon. Time is funny there, but I was alone, and I was happy because I thought I deserved to be alone. I hated everything so much that the thought of being around anypony was too much to bear. And when I came back, the first thing I did was lash out at everypony around me, because I was still angry at them… but also, I was scared. It took me a year before I was brave enough to make a public appearance, and it took a brave mare to help teach me to be happy around others. I know there are times when being around others positively hurts, but that’s better than being alone.”
“Yes… Princess Luna,” I murmured as I bowed my head. “I’ll… I’ll try…”
“Good.” She slowly released me and gave us both a kind smile. “Now, I need to flash over to Fillydelphia and make sure everything’s alright for Celestia’s big ribbon cutting ceremony tomorrow. I can’t believe they’re actually opening a huge factory for making guns and ammunition. Can’t imagine they’ll really need that much.” She looked over at Goldenblood. “You two can take the chariot when you’re ready.”
“Yes, Your Majesty,” Goldenblood said with a nod of his head. The Princess beamed in return, and then her horn flared. In a flash of shadow, she disappeared completely.
“… don’t want to go…” I murmured softly. I prepared for the onslaught of questions about what was wrong with me, how I could want to stay in this horrible place. “I know it’s stupid and this place is dirty and closing but it’s the only place I belong. The only place I deserve to be!”
He stood silently for a long moment before reaching out with a hoof and patting my shoulder. “I understand. This is your home,” he said, not calling me silly. “But it’s your turn to get adopted, Psalm. You’re the last one here. It’s your turn to go.” For a minute we stood there with me just staring at the beige tiles, and then he sighed. “Nevermind. Take your time. The pegasi can wait.”
It took some time. Time to gather my belongings in the black wool blanket, though there weren’t very many. Time to collect the old toys nopony would ever play with again. Time to look at that grimy gray hallway and its rainy gray windows. “Should I call you… father?” I asked as we walked towards the exit. The word sounded strained and awkward to my ears.
“That sounds… odd. I’m barely old enough to have children of my own, let alone one your age. I think a better word is ‘guardian’, but even that sounds off,” he said with a small smile. “Why don’t you just call me ‘Teacher?’ It’s fitting. I just got a job working at Celestia’s School for Gifted Unicorns teaching history.” He looked a little confused as he added, “Princess Luna herself recommended me, but I couldn’t tell you why for the life of me.”
“Oh,” I said, contemplating a moment before asking. “Do you think I could come to the school with you from time to time? I have… there’s a pony I know who goes there.”
Together we stepped out the front door. It was one of those rare moments when the rain had stopped and everything was clean and crisp. A rainbow gleamed in the direction of Canterlot and made the golden chariot sparkle with light. It was almost as bright as the candle which appeared on my flank, its lone light the faith against the melancholy that had almost consumed me. For the first time since Cheddar had left, I felt a warmth return to me and Goldenblood smiled in quiet approval. I looked at my Teacher, giving him a smile I’d only shared with one other as he looked back and said, “Certainly. You can be my assistant…”
Oh, I know. I think it's actually a symptom of a good underlying development: for the first time in probably over a year, there's enough activity for things to be lost in the shuffle even though it's not in the immediate aftermath of a chapter going up.swicked wrote:...well, it's not hard to find, yet people kept saying they couldn't find it, soooo...
If I had to choose one narrow virtue, I'd have to go with forgiveness. For she's built on a foundation of seeking, not absolution, it's true, but a balancing of her past wrongs, and at the same time finds it within herself to forgive almost everyone far, far more than she ever asks for herself. Beyond that, one of the major recurring points is that for the world to be better in the future, people need to let go of the grudges and resentments of the past, to work with those who had in the past wronged them, even being their enemies. We've seen it with the failures of the war, the sand dogs, P-21 and 99 and the Society, Deus, and I'm sure many more. The close link with Psalm is (see, for example, [2] above), to me, only the foremost characteristic of the story pointing me in that direction.Derpmind wrote:So, I've been trying to figure out BJ's virtue. Yeah, again and all, but seriously. Found this post I made, and I gotta ask: Does anyone think this might actually be a bit closer to the mark?Derpmind wrote:Harmony Ltd. wrote:Kinda makes me wonder how she hasn't already become dulled to that kind of things, by now.
I know she's The One Pony Who Always Try To Do better, but still...
After all the shit she's been through, it really is impressive that she still give a damn about others.
Compassion is BJ's coping mechanism to deal with all the shit she's lived through. If BJ tried to only care about herself, she'd also have to not care about all her flaws and failings too. I think both of these are parts of her character that are impossibly difficult to change. Without that drive to help others, BJ would have self-destructed long ago.
Besides that, is there not there the heroic ideal of the person who selflessly helps everyone they are able to? How much pain must one endure before they give that up?
Compassion? Maybe selflessness? Eh, maybe I'm just reaching. I know one thing though: As amusing as it is, the whole secretly being Go Fish thing is just way too far from who Blackjack is. Why don't we speculate about much more plausible things anymore, like P-21 + Rampage shipping?
Also, she's clearly Pony Jesus.
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by Borsuq Thu May 15, 2014 8:55 pm
And Virgin Mary at the same time!
So... she one-upped Twilight by becoming a Queen, then again by becoming a cyber alicorn (even if it was hurtful, emotion-wrecking, and temporary); she one-upped Littlepip by... okay, had anybody even bothers keeping count at this moment as to how many times she one-upped Littlepip? Check swicked's skits list... but in the latest chapters, she one-upped her by loosing both cutie marks.
And she one-upped Jesus, by being both him and his mother... Okay, if Blackjack becomes real alicorn at some point, I will say that she is also God and we will have the whole Holy Trinity! (yeah, I know that the third is the Holy Spirit/Ghost, not the Mother, but this is funny!)
So... she one-upped Twilight by becoming a Queen, then again by becoming a cyber alicorn (even if it was hurtful, emotion-wrecking, and temporary); she one-upped Littlepip by... okay, had anybody even bothers keeping count at this moment as to how many times she one-upped Littlepip? Check swicked's skits list... but in the latest chapters, she one-upped her by loosing both cutie marks.
And she one-upped Jesus, by being both him and his mother... Okay, if Blackjack becomes real alicorn at some point, I will say that she is also God and we will have the whole Holy Trinity! (yeah, I know that the third is the Holy Spirit/Ghost, not the Mother, but this is funny!)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Thu May 15, 2014 8:57 pm
Ah. And the war almost certainly would have magnified anything already there...Scienza wrote:Aye on that last part. I probably should have chosen a different phrase, but I mean like, literally before the war. They throw it around a lot on the show.
Oh, is this a Mass Effect thing? I assumed that you meant the Reapers based out of the Arena.Scienza wrote:Reapers in the sense of immortal robot cuttlefish from space.
Yes, it is rather nice to have the forum bustling a bit again!Icy Shake wrote:I think it's actually a symptom of a good underlying development: for the first time in probably over a year, there's enough activity for things to be lost in the shuffle even though it's not in the immediate aftermath of a chapter going up.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Scienza Thu May 15, 2014 9:43 pm
@Virtue
I'm struggling to find a word to describe this, but I think one of Blackjack's most important virtues is that she's effectively personality fertilizer. Sort of like how the Element of Magic is the spark of friendship which reveals the other five, Blackjack nurtures the spirits of the people around her and helps them to develop into their own identities. You can see it in pretty much all of her active companions. She just sees that little spark inside someone and helps that to blossom, even in her worst enemies.
@Reapers
Yeah, it was just sort of a one-off joke since the ME Reapers use space magic to brainwash those they come in contact with, and since BPM has a similar psychic effect probably arising from something insidious and space-related.
I'm struggling to find a word to describe this, but I think one of Blackjack's most important virtues is that she's effectively personality fertilizer. Sort of like how the Element of Magic is the spark of friendship which reveals the other five, Blackjack nurtures the spirits of the people around her and helps them to develop into their own identities. You can see it in pretty much all of her active companions. She just sees that little spark inside someone and helps that to blossom, even in her worst enemies.
@Reapers
Yeah, it was just sort of a one-off joke since the ME Reapers use space magic to brainwash those they come in contact with, and since BPM has a similar psychic effect probably arising from something insidious and space-related.
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by O. Hinds Thu May 15, 2014 10:10 pm
Ah. I don't know enough about Mass Effect to get the joke.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by SilentCarto Thu May 15, 2014 10:16 pm
That's... not entirely accurate. The nuclear exchange in Fallout came at the end of a war that started as a conflict between China and the US over oil reserves in Alaska and escalated into something approaching a world war. The development of power armor gave US forces a decisive advantage, so when their unstoppable advance approached Beijing, the desperate Chinese government launched a simultaneous nuclear strike against the US army on Chinese soil and the mainland United States itself. And the rest, as they say, is history.O. Hinds wrote:Unless you're talking about actually before the war rather than just before the apocalypse. FoE used "prewar" for "preapocalypse" because that's what Fallout did. The problem is that it was fine in Fallout because the last war both started and ended with the apocalypse; in FoE, unfortunately, the apocalypse was just the end of a continuous twenty-year-long war. Though you probably know this already, I thought that I'd just elucidate the somewhat confused meaning of that word/phrase.
Mass Effect. Reapers (giant aliens in the form of spacecraft) constantly emit a psychic field that, over time, can mind control anyone into being their sleeper agent at the cost of degenerating mental capabilities. It's poorly explained and generally serves as a bullshit excuse for pretty much anyone turning out to be secretly Chaotic Evil.O. Hinds wrote:What do you mean? Am I forgetting something?Scienza wrote:Still, it's not as weird as the Reaper indoctrination
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Fri May 16, 2014 12:32 am
Oh dear, I believe you're right; I'm terribly, terribly sorry. Thank you for correcting me.SilentCarto wrote:That's... not entirely accurate. The nuclear exchange in Fallout came at the end of a war that started as a conflict between China and the US over oil reserves in Alaska and escalated into something approaching a world war. The development of power armor gave US forces a decisive advantage, so when their unstoppable advance approached Beijing, the desperate Chinese government launched a simultaneous nuclear strike against the US army on Chinese soil and the mainland United States itself. And the rest, as they say, is history.
…Ah. And why CE? Wouldn't LE be more useful for sleeper agents?SilentCarto wrote:Mass Effect. Reapers (giant aliens in the form of spacecraft) constantly emit a psychic field that, over time, can mind control anyone into being their sleeper agent at the cost of degenerating mental capabilities. It's poorly explained and generally serves as a bullshit excuse for pretty much anyone turning out to be secretly Chaotic Evil.
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by Scienza Fri May 16, 2014 7:56 am
For most of the series, the only appropriate term would be chaotic evil, since the Reapers operated by motivations that nobody could comprehend or possibly understand. They had their own objectives and motivation, they were just beyond human comprehension, like Cthulhu.
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by Silver136 Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 am
Well, interestingly enough I kind of sympathized with the reapers. They were trying to leave space open for less developed species, that way no one species became too powerful. At the same time they weren't wiping out older species, they were collecting...consciousness from them? Minds? Anyway they were preserving the older species in some way. They were really just trying to maintain a balance.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by OneMoreDaySK Fri May 16, 2014 9:43 am
At the same time, the balancing served as a limiting status quo. Still haven't played the games to completion yet (still on ME 1 redoing stuff after a crash wiped my save, and I lost interest in playing), but status quo means a lack of innovation. 'tis why humanity is so feared in the games. They never stop trying to progress.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Stringtheory Fri May 16, 2014 10:00 am
I tried to play Mass Effect, but the game didn't make it easy for me with the shitty third person combat and the rather wooden dialogue at some points ("Tell me more about..."). I'm playing Dragon Age currently and I'm finding the combat to actually be playable.OneMoreDaySK wrote:At the same time, the balancing served as a limiting status quo. Still haven't played the games to completion yet (still on ME 1 redoing stuff after a crash wiped my save, and I lost interest in playing), but status quo means a lack of innovation. 'tis why humanity is so feared in the games. They never stop trying to progress.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Vinylshadow Fri May 16, 2014 10:17 am
Littlepip: Sacrifice (Fallout Equestria)
Blackjack: Perseverance (Project Horizons)
Puppysmiles: Innocence (Pink Eyes)
Silver Storm: Compassion (Heroes)
Murky: Hope (Murky Number Seven)
Based off this
starting to wonder if there's any other popular cross-over fanfics between fandoms
Like The Elder Scrolls (Equestrian Scrolls?) or Star Trek/Star Wars
Blackjack: Perseverance (Project Horizons)
Puppysmiles: Innocence (Pink Eyes)
Silver Storm: Compassion (Heroes)
Murky: Hope (Murky Number Seven)
Based off this
starting to wonder if there's any other popular cross-over fanfics between fandoms
Like The Elder Scrolls (Equestrian Scrolls?) or Star Trek/Star Wars
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by OneMoreDaySK Fri May 16, 2014 10:24 am
Eh, I cheesed my way into getting more or less final gear for Sheperd. Makes most things a breeze, heh.
Re: Blackjack's virtue
Have already called it a long time ago: forgiveness. And I thought we already establised that Blackjack was pretty much pony Jesus back in 33?
Re: Blackjack's virtue
Have already called it a long time ago: forgiveness. And I thought we already establised that Blackjack was pretty much pony Jesus back in 33?
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by Stringtheory Fri May 16, 2014 10:33 am
FO:E's the only one that got famous and spawned its own side-stories. Not sure about any others.Vinylshadow wrote:starting to wonder if there's any other popular cross-over fanfics between fandoms
Like The Elder Scrolls (Equestrian Scrolls?) or Star Trek/Star Wars
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Vinylshadow Fri May 16, 2014 10:36 am
Yeah, I saw the Forgiveness virtue as well, but it's also been stated her talent is also victory, and she's rather persistent too, she's died, what...3 times now?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Silver136 Fri May 16, 2014 11:17 am
Seahorse, Hightower, and the core if you consider her soul removal and mind swap "death." So 2-3 depending on what constitutes "death."
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by OneMoreDaySK Fri May 16, 2014 11:18 am
Re: Equestria Games
The implications that a device could actually anti-magic the princesses is disturbing. I'm chalking it up to the writers letting Spike have the limelight for that one, instead of trying to give myself an anuerysm trying to logic out the uselessness of princesses.
The implications that a device could actually anti-magic the princesses is disturbing. I'm chalking it up to the writers letting Spike have the limelight for that one, instead of trying to give myself an anuerysm trying to logic out the uselessness of princesses.
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by Dutcher Fri May 16, 2014 11:36 am
I wish it was still that way..Scienza wrote:For most of the series, the only appropriate term would be chaotic evil, since the Reapers operated by motivations that nobody could comprehend or possibly understand. They had their own objectives and motivation, they were just beyond human comprehension, like Cthulhu.
But no they had to bring that awful "WE MUST STOP AI"
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by Vinylshadow Fri May 16, 2014 11:45 am
OneMoreDaySK wrote:Re: Equestria Games
The implications that a device could actually anti-magic the princesses is disturbing. I'm chalking it up to the writers letting Spike have the limelight for that one, instead of trying to give myself an anuerysm trying to logic out the uselessness of princesses.
That, or Celestia's one heck of a troll to her little ponies
"No, no, let them figure it out"I can't believe that 'emoticon' even exists
Rainbow Dash and Applejack were also watching DD getting the snot beaten out of her XD
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by OneMoreDaySK Fri May 16, 2014 11:53 am
If 'Tia actually wanted them to learn, she needs to start phasing herself out of the ruling class, instead converting the government to something aside from a diarchy.
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And I'm still in the firm belief that that particular episode was actually a fanfic by Dash.
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And I'm still in the firm belief that that particular episode was actually a fanfic by Dash.
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by Vinylshadow Fri May 16, 2014 12:03 pm
I hope we see less of Celestia in Season five and have Twi going through the problems of running a kingdom
Even though she technically stole part of Celestia'a Kingdom by growing a castle in the middle of Ponyville...
and on another note, after seeing the Tree of Harmony, I imagine Spike's Crusader Maneframe that he's got set aside for Gardens of Equestria to be the Tree of Harmony, magically transplanted to a remote cave to keep it from Zebras or something
Even though she technically stole part of Celestia'a Kingdom by growing a castle in the middle of Ponyville...
and on another note, after seeing the Tree of Harmony, I imagine Spike's Crusader Maneframe that he's got set aside for Gardens of Equestria to be the Tree of Harmony, magically transplanted to a remote cave to keep it from Zebras or something
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by Borsuq Fri May 16, 2014 12:44 pm
Vinylshadow wrote:Yeah, I saw the Forgiveness virtue as well, but it's also been stated her talent is also victory, and she's rather persistent too, she's died, what...3 times now?
Going back to those earlier comments about her being a pony Jesus... Does anybody feel like we need something like this, only with Blackjack instead of Optimus?
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by Dutcher Fri May 16, 2014 12:45 pm
Anti-magic device?
I'm sure someone made an EMP megaspell with this technology
Yes we need BJ vs Jesus
I'm sure someone made an EMP megaspell with this technology
Yes we need BJ vs Jesus
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by Vinylshadow Fri May 16, 2014 12:53 pm
ALRIGHTY THEN
BLACKJACK TIME
Read chapter 66, don't remember most of it...something about Princesses and Viziers and Blackjack getting her mind back
BLACKJACK TIME
Read chapter 66, don't remember most of it...something about Princesses and Viziers and Blackjack getting her mind back
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by Scienza Fri May 16, 2014 12:56 pm
On a semi-unrelated note, going back to discussion of elements, the Element of Magic would be really, really hard to find. The Element of Magic isn't a pony that's really good at magic, it's somepony who possesses the spark of the magic of friendship and is able to unify the others through that. So, it's more than just finding a bunch of ponies and sticking them in a room, you need someone who connects with them on a deep level.
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by Dutcher Fri May 16, 2014 12:59 pm
Magic and the spark are different according to the wiki.Scienza wrote:On a semi-unrelated note, going back to discussion of elements, the Element of Magic would be really, really hard to find. The Element of Magic isn't a pony that's really good at magic, it's somepony who possesses the spark of the magic of friendship and is able to unify the others through that. So, it's more than just finding a bunch of ponies and sticking them in a room, you need someone who connects with them on a deep level.
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