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Post by Moodyman90 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:38 am

Oddly enough Robo, that joke crossed my mind when I was watching that scene. Not with those two saying it but the joke itself did.
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Post by cb5 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:03 am

CamoBadger wrote:That...was painful.
I enjoyed the flashbacks, I really did.
But the story to it and 90% of what happened... it hurts.
Spoiler:
EVERYTHING IN THE LAST 3 SEASONS HAPPENED OVER 1 YEAR
I.. uh.. that.. doesn't make any sense when you think about it. Well I guess ponyville really is the chaos capital of the world.
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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:16 am

Brain is derping right now. But:
Minor Nitpicks:

Wait... Everything happened inside a year? O.o Very active aren't they?
Oh look. Horrible growths coming out of the Everfree. And no one thought to checkup on the Zebra living in there, to at least find out if she's ok or if she knows anything about it.
A Zebra, having a potion only alicorns can access on hand.
Does turning into a princess make an individual hold the idiot ball? Seriously, every princess so far has been taken out rather quickly. When Luna technically renounced princess-hood and became Nightmare Moon, then she was badass for that tiny bit.
Why doesn't Twilight use more teleporting in place of flight? I mean even teleporting upwards and then gliding would be very useful for traveling.
It really bugs me that everyone was so non-nonchalant in this premiere, but then again, with every disaster so far, I guess they get used to it. Princesses were rather calm for being captured and trapped.
Guards suck. Period. They need to get their act together because they're all rather treated as a joke instead of any kind of threat.
In regards to the ending and related to FO:E::
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:26 am

CamoBadger wrote:That...was painful.
I enjoyed the flashbacks, I really did.
But the story to it and 90% of what happened... it hurts.
Spoiler:

Oh, Twilot, you so MODEST, and totally not a stereotypical "good" princess character.

"MY CUTIEMARK"
Fuck you and your "prophecy" bullshit. Fuck this.

HERP DERP I FORGOT HOW TO FLY, BUT ONLY WHEN IT CREATES DRAMA

How convenient that every other unicorn's magic stopped working, but yours still does. How odd.
How convenient that the Everfree took Celestia and Luna, but not you, even though you were all in the same place. How odd.

1 good thing that came out of it: apparently a continuous story.
Oh, wait, I thought that about season 3 with the Black Book, but that never showed up until the finale. No hope.
And it's TOTALLY not obvious either. "6 locks need 6 keys." GOOD THING THERE ARE 6 OF YOU

Also, apparently:
A)  The Summer Sun Celebration is just now about Luna's return and Celestia never cared about that over the last few years it happened.
or
B) EVERYTHING IN THE LAST 3 SEASONS HAPPENED OVER 1 YEAR

Because both of those make OH SO MUCH SENSE.
Unfortunately, I'm still on this fucking ride because I'm curious about the possible continuous story. Goddamnit.
I'm surprised you didn't mention any of the NMM stuff thought you'd like that. You did. Damn my brain derped. Too early.


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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:44 am

CamoBadger wrote:That...was painful.
I enjoyed the flashbacks, I really did.
But the story to it and 90% of what happened... it hurts.
Spoiler:

Oh, Twilot, you so MODEST, and totally not a stereotypical "good" princess character.

"MY CUTIEMARK"
Fuck you and your "prophecy" bullshit. Fuck this.

HERP DERP I FORGOT HOW TO FLY, BUT ONLY WHEN IT CREATES DRAMA

How convenient that every other unicorn's magic stopped working, but yours still does. How odd.
How convenient that the Everfree took Celestia and Luna, but not you, even though you were all in the same place. How odd.

1 good thing that came out of it: apparently a continuous story.
Oh, wait, I thought that about season 3 with the Black Book, but that never showed up until the finale. No hope.
And it's TOTALLY not obvious either. "6 locks need 6 keys." GOOD THING THERE ARE 6 OF YOU

Also, apparently:
A)  The Summer Sun Celebration is just now about Luna's return and Celestia never cared about that over the last few years it happened.
or
B) EVERYTHING IN THE LAST 3 SEASONS HAPPENED OVER 1 YEAR

Because both of those make OH SO MUCH SENSE.
Unfortunately, I'm still on this fucking ride because I'm curious about the possible continuous story. Goddamnit.
Good, goood, stay with us. Spike 

The the slip-up with the Summer Sun Celebration is weird, with that you're right.
The rest, Swicked already addressed the Cutie Mark thing and why only Celestia with Luna got abducted, no point in repeating. Though I might add that if the vines were to abduct all alicorns, they would've tried to abduct Cadence as well, even though she was very far from Everfree and not in the same place as the others.
We also still don't know anything specific about the Sisters' past, there might be something that makes them different, distinguishes them from Cadence an Twilight, dunno. We'll see, or not. Applebloom 

OneMoreDaySK wrote:
In regards to the ending and related to FO:E:
I'd say the locks need to be unlocked at the same time (I'd do it that way at least, it's safer.), so Lil'pip would have to pick them all at once. Spike
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:03 am

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:I'd say the locks need to be unlocked at the same time (I'd do it that way at least, it's safer.), so Lil'pip would have to pick them all at once. Spike
That'll be uncomfortable for everyone but the unicorns. XD

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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:11 am

Last wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:I'd say the locks need to be unlocked at the same time (I'd do it that way at least, it's safer.), so Lil'pip would have to pick them all at once. Spike
That'll be uncomfortable for everyone but the unicorns. XD

Shy "Our cheeks are touching."

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Well I meant it more along the lines of "Lil'pip would have a hard time unlocking it alone.", but you gave me an entertaining mental image. Big mac
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:21 am

There is something to be said about the simple joy of watching an episode of My Little Pony on your phone just outside the gates of a military base on a sunny day.

Anyway, just watched the episode. Quite good I must say. No negative comment to make at this point, as I enjoyed the ride.
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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:38 am

Huh, is the box made of any sort of metal or gems, y'think?
Blackjack: *Nom! Nom! Nom!*
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Orm on Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:14 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:

We also still don't know anything specific about the Sisters' past, there might be something that makes them different, distinguishes them from Cadence an Twilight, dunno. We'll see, or not. Applebloom 

Might have something to do with the fact that Twilight and Cadence were made into Alicorns, while Celestia and Luna were born Alicorns.


Aside from this, I do hope this season turns out better than the previous one.
I didn't find the episode to be too rushed (especially compared to another episode).
And I'll be happy if they do go with a continuous plot throughout a good chunk of the season.

Oh, and they got rid of their Deus Ex Machina.
I'm happy about that too.
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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:16 pm

Orm wrote:Might have something to do with the fact that Twilight and Cadence were made into Alicorns, while Celestia and Luna were born Alicorns.
That's just it, we do NOT know whether they were born as alicorns, we just assume it (as many other things in the series).
We don't know anything about the Royal Sisters before the events of finding the Elements and then sealing Discord with them, and even after that we don't know what they'd been up to between that and NMM being sealed in the Moon, aside from them defeating Sombra, that is.
We don't know where they came from, when they were born and to whom (if anyone). We just know that they hadn't been always in Equestria, regardless of whether they were already alive at the time of its founding.

I know people feel like those two kinda lost their uniqueness thanks to other alicorns starting to appear, but even despite that we still know next to nothing about their personal history, whereas we do know almost everything about Twilight and enough about Cadence.
And of course there's still many unanswered question about alicorns in general.

Aside from this, I do hope this season turns out better than the previous one.
I didn't find the episode to be too rushed (especially compared to another episode).
And I'll be happy if they do go with a continuous plot throughout a good chunk of the season.

Oh, and they got rid of their Deus Ex Machina.
I'm happy about that too.
Compared to MMC the pacing in these episodes was almost perfect. Now imagine what would've happened if they made it into one episode. Spike 
On the other hand, there's always the other extreme of Naruto's bored-to-death pacing, or lack thereof to be precise, not sure which is worse.
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Post by Stringtheory on Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:26 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:Compared to MMC the pacing in these episodes was almost perfect. Now imagine what would've happened if they made it into one episode. Spike 
On the other hand, there's always the other extreme of Naruto's bored-to-death pacing, or lack thereof to be precise, not sure which is worse.
Personally I prefer rushed to drawn out, less time wasted that way. If the show's rushed you just feel unsatisfied while if it's too long it just becomes tedious (I'm looking at you Dragon Ball Z...)
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:50 pm

I think the problem with both those animes or one of the major ones at least is they treat their audience like idiots.

Naruto has a constant stream of "remember this thing that happened? It's semi relevant right now" flashbacks and DBZ started every episode with "Last time on dragon ball Z" both of those things for the most part being pointless time wasters.


Yeah, I think I prefer rushed too. If you're forced to have one or the other mainly because rushed doesn't waste your time. Otherwise I prefer neither.

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Post by Stringtheory on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:08 pm

Last wrote: DBZ started every episode with "Last time on dragon ball Z" both of those things for the most part being pointless time wasters.
I tried watching DBZ once, I couldn't get past the first ten minutes. Recently my sister, my father, and I tried watching it. (I was watching DBZ abridged and they wanted to know what I was laughing at so much so I showed them, then they wanted to see what the original was like) We still didn't get past the first ten minutes. To quote my sister: "It feels like we've been watching for half an hour"
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:18 pm

It's less bad when you're a kid. It's still bad just harder to tell. I think cutting out a lot of the bullshit DBZ had is part of the reason why the abridged series is so popular.

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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:16 pm

Last wrote:I think the problem with both those animes or one of the major ones at least is they treat their audience like idiots.

Naruto has a constant stream of "remember this thing that happened? It's semi relevant right now" flashbacks and DBZ started every episode with "Last time on dragon ball Z" both of those things for the most part being pointless time wasters.
Indeed, any normal show would just let the characters mention it, at most showed a quick glimpse of a flashback to remind people. Naruto-like animes go all the way with flashbacks of a flashback that was previously a flashback in an episode entirely composed of flashbacks. Especially during the parts that are supposed to be the most fast-paced, a.k.a. the fight scenes.
If they'd cut that sh*t out, the fights would actually be exciting to watch since their animation isn't bad on the rare occasions when they make more than 5 continuous seconds of it.
If the fights were more like in the Avatar for example, now that would be cool to watch, and there would be barely half the episodes.

Anyway, I think I derailed the thread a bit, let's get back on topic. Spike


EDIT: Also, I haven't seen much of the vines yet, but the Twilight Scepter and the white alicorn potion have definitely become popular. Twilight crazy
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Post by swicked on Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:23 pm

Last wrote:I think the problem with both those animes or one of the major ones at least is they treat their audience like idiots.

Naruto has a constant stream of "remember this thing that happened? It's semi relevant right now" flashbacks and DBZ started every episode with "Last time on dragon ball Z" both of those things for the most part being pointless time wasters.


Yeah, I think I prefer rushed too. If you're forced to have one or the other mainly because rushed doesn't waste your time. Otherwise I prefer neither.
One of the biggest problems is they are based on manga, which burn through plot and dialogue far slower than anime does.
The filler's mostly so that they don't have to go the way of the original full metal alchemist and start making stuff up as they go after using up the original storyline that's so far been released.
...of course, then you have shows like Bleach, that manage this through having entire seasons worth of filler, often based around everyone but the series' actual main character, to allow the manga to get ahead again.

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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:03 pm

swicked wrote:One of the biggest problems is they are based on manga, which burn through plot and dialogue far slower than anime does.
The filler's mostly so that they don't have to go the way of the original full metal alchemist and start making stuff up as they go after using up the original storyline that's so far been released.
...of course, then you have shows like Bleach, that manage this through having entire seasons worth of filler, often based around everyone but the series' actual main character, to allow the manga to get ahead again.
Don't want to spam the thread with moar manga stuff so I'm gonna at least spoiler it.
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That's just part of the issue.
There would be no problem with that if they managed their air time correctly.

At least for Naruto, the main problem is that it doesn't follow the usual schedule that (at least) the western shows usually do, to make a season starting after summer break that lasts at most until the next summer break. They release episodes almost without stopping. Managing their time would give the manga enough time to produce additional content.
Now that's considering they'd be making the episodes in the same style as they have since the beginning. Basically a copy of the manga, panel to panel with some occasional new added stuff and sometimes two releases merged together.
If they actually took their time to transform and interpret the manga into a form more suited for animated series it would take them more time to produce the episodes (even if they'd have to take 4 or even 5 continuous releases for a single episode, thus going through the manga faster). Then the episodes could be fully animated and much better paced, instead of episodes with sluggish pacing and full of static close-ups and talking with some stray animation amidst of all that. Then just use cliffhangers to keep the suspense going (that's where another use for the summer break is).

The manga is maybe going through the content slower but it's also produced much faster than a fully animated episode.

But, I realize that would be more epxensive for them which is something they wouldn't like, even if the fans would no doubt appreciate it. I mean, I don't know about others, but I'd prefer quality over quantity.
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Post by swicked on Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:22 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:The manga is maybe going through the content slower but it's also produced much faster than a fully animated episode.
Not really.
The average manga has only one or two artists.
Anime has multiple teams.

...unless you just mean manhours, in which case, yes.

I mean, voice acting is a factor, too, but there's still a lot more money and resources thrown behind anime than there is manga.

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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:40 pm

swicked wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:The manga is maybe going through the content slower but it's also produced much faster than a fully animated episode.
Not really.
The average manga has only one or two artists.
Anime has multiple teams.

...unless you just mean manhours, in which case, yes.

I mean, voice acting is a factor, too, but there's still a lot more money and resources thrown behind anime than there is manga.
I just meant manhours. Of course that when there's substantial difference in the amount of people working on each then even anime can be produced faster than manga. They're just trying to produce it too fast, and without any pauses between seasons they're bound to catch up with the source material. That results in the need for redundant fillers which cost additional money which could've been used on a production of better story-centered episodes, or terribly sluggish pacing, or both in Naruto's case.

Simply put, their production management is the one thing creating most of the problems.
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Post by StoneSlinger88 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:10 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
swicked wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:The manga is maybe going through the content slower but it's also produced much faster than a fully animated episode.
Not really.
The average manga has only one or two artists.
Anime has multiple teams.

...unless you just mean manhours, in which case, yes.

I mean, voice acting is a factor, too, but there's still a lot more money and resources thrown behind anime than there is manga.
I just meant manhours. Of course that when there's substantial difference in the amount of people working on each then even anime can be produced faster than manga. They're just trying to produce it too fast, and without any pauses between seasons they're bound to catch up with the source material. That results in the need for redundant fillers which cost additional money which could've been used on a production of better story-centered episodes, or terribly sluggish pacing, or both in Naruto's case.

Simply put, their production management is the one thing creating most of the problems.
Like not waiting until the manga is done to make the anime. I like Naruto; I just don't like a full third of the episodes are outright filler.
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Post by Derpmind on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:00 pm

StoneSlinger88 wrote: I like Naruto; I just don't like a full third of the episodes are outright filler.
Do you mean 1/3 of the episodes being filler, 1/3 of each episode being filler, or both? Trollestia 
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Post by StoneSlinger88 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:07 pm

Derpmind wrote:
StoneSlinger88 wrote: I like Naruto; I just don't like a full third of the episodes are outright filler.
Do you mean 1/3 of the episodes being filler, 1/3 of each episode being filler, or both? Trollestia 
Both. After every commercial break there's a good 30 seconds of going over the 30 seconds before the commercial break.
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Post by Moodyman90 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:12 pm

For a while Bleach was 15 minute of recap of what's happened over the past 20 episodes, the last five minutes of the previous episode, and 2 minutes of new shit at the end. Repeat forever.
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Post by Katarn on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:32 am

what really was happening inside vine's:
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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:50 pm

StoneSlinger88 wrote:
Derpmind wrote:
StoneSlinger88 wrote: I like Naruto; I just don't like a full third of the episodes are outright filler.
Do you mean 1/3 of the episodes being filler, 1/3 of each episode being filler, or both? Trollestia 
Both. After every commercial break there's a good 30 seconds of going over the 30 seconds before the commercial break.
Plus the remaining screen time where something new actually happens is incredibly slowly paced. Spike 
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Post by cb5 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:01 pm

Ahahaha, someone figured out where derpy is in the season 4 opener.  Short version is that they got away with putting her back in the show by changing her mane to orangish yellow.  That's kind of funny that it actually fooled people. Like how dumb is hasbro's censors to have not noticed?
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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:47 pm

They were trying to censor her again? Derpy Hooves 
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Post by cb5 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:53 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:They were trying to censor her again? Derpy Hooves 
Well they sure as hell figured out how to get past the censors. Just add a drop of orange to her mane and call her a completely different pony and presto. If you want to know where she was in the episode is was during the summer sun celebration when the sun was being lifted in the group of onlookers right in front of the stage.

It's funny cause it actually fooled people.
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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:16 pm

cb5 wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:They were trying to censor her again? Derpy Hooves 
Well they sure as hell figured out how to get past the censors.  Just add a drop of orange to her mane and call her a completely different pony and presto.  If you want to know where she was in the episode is was during the summer sun celebration when the sun was being lifted in the group of onlookers right in front of the stage.

It's funny cause it actually fooled people.
What I meant was that she was in various episodes of season 3 just fine, maybe better hidden than she used to be, but still. I don't see why they should try to censor her again now.
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