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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:11 pm

All I can say is everyone's headcanon has been ruined...also Discord is best commentator.
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:20 pm

What I can say....Discord in maid outfit mental image will haunt me for few days...

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Post by RoboRed on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:24 pm

Yes. Many headcanons were shattered, but such is life. Still, loved the scenes with Luna's and Celestia's past - particularly the NMM one.

Animation's gotten even better. Those light effects at some points, like in the stained glass room. Those were cool.

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Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:04 pm

It's already happening, Robo.
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Post by RoboRed on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:10 pm

Not surprised.

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Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:13 pm

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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:20 pm

Not sure if I need a spoiler here but whatever just in case

Spoiler:
Anyone else notice Twilight used dark magic on the potion? Guess they're not done with that yet.

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Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:22 pm

Last wrote:Not sure if I need a spoiler here but whatever just in case

Spoiler:
Anyone else notice Twilight used dark magic on the potion? Guess they're not done with that yet.
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Zecora: You need to use alicorn magic on this potion.
*Twi uses dark-colored magic*

It's canon, alicorns are evil! Applebloom 
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Post by swicked on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:27 pm

Last wrote:Not sure if I need a spoiler here but whatever just in case

Spoiler:
Anyone else notice Twilight used dark magic on the potion? Guess they're not done with that yet.
Yeah, I'm not sure why she had to use "dark magic" to make the potion change color.
The only thing Zecora said needed to be used to change the potion was "alicorn magic".
...so I have to assume that that's what that was. Pure alicorn magic may very well be that evil-looking. Might also explain why the alicorn amulet always corrupts its user.

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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:33 pm

I think there were two kinds? That one which made those dark crystals grow in the S3 opener and I think Celestia used something else to make them go away... Or I'm fairly sure there was an explanation to it. I just can't rememeber.

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Post by RoboRed on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:34 pm

swicked wrote:
Last wrote:Not sure if I need a spoiler here but whatever just in case

Spoiler:
Anyone else notice Twilight used dark magic on the potion? Guess they're not done with that yet.
Yeah, I'm not sure why she had to use "dark magic" to make the potion change color.
The only thing Zecora said needed to be used to change the potion was "alicorn magic".
...so I have to assume that that's what that was. Pure alicorn magic may very well be that evil-looking. Might also explain why the alicorn amulet always corrupts its user.

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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Kippershy on Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:09 pm

WiP.
Having to take a little liberty with it because original quality isn't optimal, but hey...

I swear it's related...:
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Post by swicked on Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:57 pm

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"fixed"
I really, really shouldn't find this as funny as I do...

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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Downloaded Skill on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:00 pm

So what did you guys actually think about the episode? I thought it was pretty good. My only complaints on the first viewing are that pinkie's humor kind of ruins some scenes and there are inconsistencies on the strength of the vines.

I liked what they did with Discord. He wasn't quite good, but not quite evil either. He remains a highly suspicious wild card that knows how to phrase things to save his skin. The season-long arc with the box looks promising as well. New adventures where the solution isn't "blast baddie with elements of harmony."

I know some people were nervous about the "sparkleboom" at the end, but I really didn't mind it. Twilight's name is very significant considering her mentors represent celestial bodies, but I'm sure that has been discussed before.

About the "Alicorn magic", wasn't that very similar to the magic used by / related to Sombra? Maybe he is slated to come back as a posthumous character and give him more depth and background. Certain things suggest that it may be plausible, but those are spoilers that I don't want to post here.
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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:13 pm

Downloaded Skill wrote:So what did you guys actually think about the episode? I thought it was pretty good. My only complaints on the first viewing are that pinkie's humor kind of ruins some scenes and there are inconsistencies on the strength of the vines.

I liked what they did with Discord. He wasn't quite good, but not quite evil either. He remains a highly suspicious wild card that knows how to phrase things to save his skin. The season-long arc with the box looks promising as well. New adventures where the solution isn't "blast baddie with elements of harmony."

I know some people were nervous about the "sparkleboom" at the end, but I really didn't mind it. Twilight's name is very significant considering her mentors represent celestial bodies, but I'm sure that has been discussed before.

About the "Alicorn magic", wasn't that very similar to the magic used by / related to Sombra? Maybe he is slated to come back as a posthumous character and give him more depth and background. Certain things suggest that it may be plausible, but those are spoilers that I don't want to post here.
I was watching it with my little sister so Pinkie's humor didn't bother me as much as it might have otherwise. As for the vines...eh whatever...

Having Discord as an anti-villain or whatever he's supposed to be was excellent, I hope they keep it up over the entire season/series. As for the rest it looks to be quite the promising season.

As for the 'sparkleboom', my headcanon is that it was some kind spell Twilight cast rather than an actual sonic rainboom sort of thing.

As for the 'alicorn magic', hopefully we'll learn more as the season goes on.
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:18 pm

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Post by Stringtheory on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:54 pm

Katarn wrote:
Oh good, because if she was able to pull off a 'sonic whatever' then that would've cheapened Rainbow Dash learning of it SO much...
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:07 pm

Well...
Spoiler:
Headcanons were indeed shattered, but that is to be expected when dealing with historic events that were previously only sketched out.
And honestly, did anyone really expect the "sort-of-evil-overlord Celestia vs. picture-perfect-pony-princess Luna" scenario that is so popular, especially with the SO and NLR community?
With the Elements the headcanons were a bit more diverse, but I don't think this was a bad way to do it.

My thoughts on the overall episode. The pacing was nice, which is always a good thing, especially after MMC. Spike 
Really liked how Twilight's struggle with princesshood was handled (and still don't like Rarity's stance on this sort of thing).
Kinda disappointed that Twi isn't Celly's student anymore, what is she gonna send her from Ponyville from now on, all the reports on how Ponyville is doing economically or politically should be handled by the mayor. Twilight's gonna go crazy. Twilight crazy 
I of course assume she's gonna return to and stay in Ponyville at some point (next episode perhaps).

As for Alicorn Magic (aside from the word itself being used more and more in the show, which is cool), there is sort of a tiny plothole here. I assumed that particular kind was dark magic not related to alicorns in general. Sombra was definitely not an alicorn and neither was Twilight when she first used it, so there's kinda leap in logic here.
Celestia did use a "light magic" in the Crystal Empire episodes to cleanse the corruption in the throne room, so I presume there are at least two sides to it (balance, harmony and all that stuff), but that still doesn't explain how it is connected to Alicorns when non-alicorns can use it. And neither is there explained why Twilight used the dark alicorn magic in particular.
Question, questions, your move, Hasbro. Crazy 

Then there's of course the matter of Twilight drinking white stuff from a bottle, I can already see the r34 pics along with the Everfree tentacles/vines (seriously, I can literally see them right now on Derpibooru). Spike 

Now the flashbacks, not sure if I got it right, but Celestia had Elements of Magic, Kindness and Generosity, and Luna had Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter. No idea if their elements were tied to them the way they were to Mane 6, but at least in Celestia's case I think they fit her quite well.
We also finally got some sort of magic fight, but it was still soooooo short, they need to loosen up a bit and give us some proper magic duel fight scene. How 

Discord was awesome, nothing to add there. Except that now he's manipulating Mane 6 in the right way, even if all the trouble was his fault in the first place. Hope they're gonna make more use of him from now on, especially now that they no longer have the elements to control him I wonder how he will turn out.

I'm kinda glad they (sort of) got rid of the main deus ex machina of the series and as a result revealed a subplot for the entire season.
"You have found a secret level, now buy a serial number in our game store to unlock it."

Another mishap on the side of the creators, the way Celestia and Luna react hwne they are freed. They're not suprised, not even phased by what happened, they acted like they knew all along. Like it was just another freakin test or something.

The supposed 'Sonic Sparkboom' didn't even occur to me really, I assumed it was magic considering Twilight barelly learned how to fly, she shouldn't be able to perform sonic anything quite yet.

So much for my humble opinion, it wasn't the best two-parter, I still like Canterlot Wedding the most, but it was definitely better than what MMC gave us. I may return with further opinionz after re-watching it properly.

PS: My headcannon with time-travelling Twilight sealing NMM and creating infinite-loop paradox was ruined, but I suppose that would be to mary sue-ish. Spike 
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Guest on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:14 pm

@Alicorn magic
Clearly Sombra was hiding wings beneath his cape. Spike

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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:24 pm

Last wrote:@Alicorn magic
Clearly Sombra was hiding wings beneath his cape. Spike
Right, and where was Twilight hiding wings during Crystal Empire, hmmm? Trollestia 
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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:33 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
Last wrote:@Alicorn magic
Clearly Sombra was hiding wings beneath his cape. Spike
Right, and where was Twilight hiding wings during Crystal Empire, hmmm? Trollestia 
Under Celestia's head. You can't expect a princess to wait three weeks for pegasus down pillows. Applebloom 

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Post by Moodyman90 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:34 pm

Finally got around to watching it now.

So...

my thoughts:


Seemed to be an animation bump for these two episodes. Not complaining, those are always great.

Lot of Headcannon being shaken up this go round it seemed. Like how long Nightmare Moon's reign was, who had which elements, where the elements came from, etc.

The moment I saw Discord munching on the black seeds in the flashback I knew he was behind what was going on now.

Over all I'm okay with the episode. The weakest part in my opinion is the
Applejack "We think you should head back Princess Twilight?"
Twilight Sparkle "Are you sure?"
Roid Rage "Yes."
Tilt "Okay..."
Five minutes later---
Twilight crazy "I shouldn't have agreed to leave them."

Me: Scootaloo 

I know they could have pulled it off, but much like the season 3 finale I felt this bit was too rushed for it to really be effective.


Over all I like the premier. Can't wait to see what the rest of the season will contain. Got a good season long set up going with that ending. And since it's a full season they can spread it out over the remaining 24 episodes. 22 I mean, since the finale is probably gonna be a two parter as well.
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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by Katarn on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:36 pm

Last wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
Last wrote:@Alicorn magic
Clearly Sombra was hiding wings beneath his cape. Spike
Right, and where was Twilight hiding wings during Crystal Empire, hmmm? Trollestia 
Under Celestia's head. You can't expect a princess to wait three weeks for pegasus down pillows. Applebloom 
Whole this time Twi was alicorn, but her wings were concealed by powerful illusion spell, which Tia dispelled.Twilight crazy 
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Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:45 pm

Last wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
Last wrote:@Alicorn magic
Clearly Sombra was hiding wings beneath his cape. Spike
Right, and where was Twilight hiding wings during Crystal Empire, hmmm? Trollestia 
Under Celestia's head. You can't expect a princess to wait three weeks for pegasus down pillows. Applebloom 
Sure, now come up with something plausible, Trollestia emote is not an excuse to use Trollestia headcanon. Crazy 
Katarn wrote:Whole this time Twi was alicorn, but her wings were concealed by  powerful illusion spell, which Tia dispelled.Twilight crazy
Well, given that Celly didn't actually intervene during Twilight's transformation, nah.
Just deal with it, until properly explained it's a plothole, simple as that. Sweetie Belle (I don't know what half of these emotes actually mean)

Moodyman90 wrote:Finally got around to watching it now.

So...
my thoughts:

Seemed to be an animation bump for these two episodes. Not complaining, those are always great.

Lot of Headcannon being shaken up this go round it seemed. Like how long Nightmare Moon's reign was, who had which elements, where the elements came from, etc.

The moment I saw Discord munching on the black seeds in the flashback I knew he was behind what was going on now.

Over all I'm okay with the episode. The weakest part in my opinion is the
Applejack "We think you should head back Princess Twilight?"
Twilight Sparkle "Are you sure?"
Roid Rage "Yes."
Tilt "Okay..."
Five minutes later---
Twilight crazy "I shouldn't have agreed to leave them."

Me: Scootaloo

I know they could have pulled it off, but much like the season 3 finale I felt this bit was too rushed for it to really be effective.
Yeah, right, that part was kinda the only place where the pacing was was way off.
Though you could argue that Discord simply offered a very effective and helpful secondary perspective on the issue that was overall much more similar to Twilight's mindset than what the Mane 5 came up with. Twilight crazy 
But one slip-up is still better than what MMC did, and there is a ton of small things like that one throughout the seasons anyway.
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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:24 pm

I originally wrote this to email to some friends, but I thought that I might as well post it here:
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Thoughts while watching:
Well, something of an exposition dump at the beginning, but I guess that that makes sense.

Hm, now that Shining Armor is Marshal of the Crystal Empire (or whatever), I wonder who the captain of the guard is?

…Hang on, hang on, where's Discord?  Isn't he supposed to be, you know, putting his powers to use for the good of Equestria?  Why isn't he on the job here (assuming that it doesn't turn out that he _is_ on the job here; I've been avoiding spoilers).

"It wasn't me.  I swear!"
Aww, this would have been a perfect time to have Sweetie Bell chime in with a comment along the lines of "Does that ever work when _I_ say it?"

Oh, here's Sweetie Bell.

Seriously, though, where is Discord?  No one has even mentioned him.

Ah, finally!

Interesting.  How did Zecora get a potion that only works with Alicorn… Um, I didn't initially pause this time while writing, and wasn't that the same sort of magic that Sombra used?
…Is that meant to be alicorn magic?  There are going to be so many dark fics born from this.  :D

Twilight, this is a vision of the past.  The clues are all right there…
Nice old architecture, though!

Hm… Part of me was hoping that the Princesses would still be missing at the end of the episode and we'd be left with a cliffhanger of Equestria in crisis.  Still, we've a mystery box!

So, on the whole, yeah, I liked it.
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Post by jacky2734 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:34 pm

This premiered today and then a couple of hours later the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special aired. Today was a good day.
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Post by CamoBadger on Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:50 am

That...was painful.
I enjoyed the flashbacks, I really did.
But the story to it and 90% of what happened... it hurts.
Spoiler:

Oh, Twilot, you so MODEST, and totally not a stereotypical "good" princess character.

"MY CUTIEMARK"
Fuck you and your "prophecy" bullshit. Fuck this.

HERP DERP I FORGOT HOW TO FLY, BUT ONLY WHEN IT CREATES DRAMA

How convenient that every other unicorn's magic stopped working, but yours still does. How odd.
How convenient that the Everfree took Celestia and Luna, but not you, even though you were all in the same place. How odd.

1 good thing that came out of it: apparently a continuous story.
Oh, wait, I thought that about season 3 with the Black Book, but that never showed up until the finale. No hope.
And it's TOTALLY not obvious either. "6 locks need 6 keys." GOOD THING THERE ARE 6 OF YOU

Also, apparently:
A)  The Summer Sun Celebration is just now about Luna's return and Celestia never cared about that over the last few years it happened.
or
B) EVERYTHING IN THE LAST 3 SEASONS HAPPENED OVER 1 YEAR

Because both of those make OH SO MUCH SENSE.
Unfortunately, I'm still on this fucking ride because I'm curious about the possible continuous story. Goddamnit.

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Re: S4 premiere Ep1-2

Post by RoboRed on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:01 am

O. Hinds wrote:
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Nice old architecture, though!
Yeah, I kinda 'gasmed at that bit. Was probably my favorite scene from the episode.

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Post by swicked on Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:17 am

CamoBadger wrote:How convenient that the Everfree took Celestia and Luna, but not you, even though you were all in the same place. How odd.
I don't know why people are spoilering a thread about the episodes. People should assume this specific thread will contain information about them.

Anyway, the crazy roots were made by discord to sap the tree, tap the power of everfree, abduct celestia and luna (IE the only ones he knew at the time that could stop him), then take over equestria. When he was sowing the seeds I doubt he figured on there being any others that could use the elements of harmony, alicorns or no. They clearly weren't supposed to abduct just anyone. They did exactly what he wanted them to do... though they took WAY longer in doing it than he figured.
Heck, they were probably supposed to free him, too, after all that... they just didn't have to, because he was already free.

So I don't think this complaint is valid.

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"MY CUTIEMARK"
Fuck you and your "prophecy" bullshit. Fuck this.
I, too, found it annoying that she seemed surprised the gem was still in the same shape it always had been. It was a six-pointed star in the books way back in the first episode. She knew this is what it looked like.
That said, the six pointed star represents magic. Her special talent is magic. I don't see how this should be a surprise.

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Oddly-enough, I didn't have a problem with them sending Twilight back. The objective was to return the elements to the tree, not blast anything with the elements of harmony, so they didn't strictly need her.
That said, they sent her back WITH THE FREAKING TIARA STILL ON HER HEAD.
HOW in the same hill were they supposed to put the elements back in the tree?

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