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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:27 pm

Rising Shadows Epilogue Comments:
Hm, yes, if even those closest to Lance weren't able to predict this, I still think it possible that Shadow simply didn't think it would happen.

And see, this, Shadow, is loyalty. Dusk is sticking with his family and side even though he doesn't like what they're doing at this particular moment, and he wants to try and make them better. He is not, you will notice, fleeing in the night and declaring that those who didn't go with him are the real traitors.

...But he's binding the enemy's spymaster in the command tent. Not the choice I would have made, I think.

This still seems to be working for Shadow, though.

Aye, working very well. The rebellion appears to be falling apart.

Aaaaaand here's the Avatar of Nightmare Moon we've heard about.
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Post by RoboRed on Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:17 pm

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It's times like these that remind me that Celestia didn't make Sunset her student for nothing. She's still extremely smart when it comes down to it, and I can't wait to see how this escape plan plays out.

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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:39 am

Aye, though I'm more interested in her plans for evading recapture. Escape is relatively simple; all she has to do is get herself and the changelings from the inside of the embassy to the outside. Difficult, but the only other thing she has to worry about is trying not to hurt the Equestrians too much.
However, once she is out, she won't be able to focus entirely on evading recapture. She won't accomplish her goals or even find food that way; she'll have to find some way to do her work and not get caught at the same time.
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Post by O. Hinds on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:25 am

Comments on Midnight's Shadow 7:

Interesting that the Apple Family appears to have gotten a pardon as a unit; I don't recall reading that before. I assumed that they were handled as individuals. This seems to me to stand in sharp contrast to treatment of the clans of Pegasopolis...

re the raven thing:
...Huh.
Not much to say about this one. Some more signs of Gale and Midnight's unhealthy relationship, I think, but that's old news.
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Post by Forevermore on Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:18 pm

Comments on Midnight's Shadow Seven

It seemed that the fact that she had been a mare of Pegasopolis
Kind of ironic since Pegasopolis were the ones who started a war with Equestria, slaughtered thousands, and allied themselves with the literal avatar of evil.

I hate her as much as any of you
Did we ever get an explanation why Red hates Midnight so much? I mean, I can understand her open dislike of unicorns and pegasi considering her backstory but why Midnight in particular?

I'm liking Subtle Song more and more. That Gale distrusts her is actually a pretty significant point in her favor.

Confound this mare. Did she have to subject me to such things?
Well, now I'm shipping Midnight and Subtle Song. It's a much healthier relationship though I get the feeling Gale is going to keep it from going anywhere.

“The worst of the pain is already past, and thou dost know it needed to be done.”
The phrasing of this bothers me. It sounds like the kind of thing you say after spanking an unruly child. Coming from Gale, whom we know to be abusive, it's just wrong.

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Post by O. Hinds on Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:55 pm

Out of curiosity, why do you make your quotes in a larger font?
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Post by Forevermore on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:47 pm

That was not intentional. I was copy-pasting directly from the page. They just turned out like that.

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Post by O. Hinds on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:05 pm

Ah, strange.
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Post by swicked on Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:42 am

Rising Shadows: I wonder if Sunbeam ends up carrying through with her threat. Dusk seems rather amiable, intending to keep as much of his family alive as he can... but I don't know if Sunbeam would make an idle threat like that. She rather enjoys being fearsome and merciless.

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Post by O. Hinds on Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:54 pm

...Oh. And "to destroy Mother and all her family line" basically means "to destroy Clan Charger".
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)

Post by O. Hinds on Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:41 pm

The new chapter of Midnight's Shadow has started to hint at Midnight's origins, it seems, but nothing definite yet.
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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:05 pm

A Couple of Comments on the new TFtPE Chapter:
"It was like the old metaphor about how a single stick was easy to break but a bundle of sticks tied together would be strong."
...Huh. Okay, depending on interpretation, that could put a rather different spin on how you're presenting the Phoenix Empire. And possibly Fluttershy as well.

"Cloud Solaris"
Hm. I wonder when Cloud's ancestors changed names?
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Post by Forevermore on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:18 pm

It's been pretty heavily implied that Celestia and Shadow got together after Celestia gave up her immortality. Shadow likely changed the name of her clan in honor of that. I don't remember if it was ever outright stated that is what happened but it's what I'm going with.

Knight Fluttershy is freaking me the hell out. It's too awesome for words! Zecora was also pretty great.

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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:31 am

Ah, their relationship had slipped my mind; thank you. I'm not sure whether there is still a clan (though hopefully that's not just my memory glitching again), but that sounds like a plausible origin of the name.
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Post by RoboRed on Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:38 pm

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Post by O. Hinds on Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:29 pm

Nice.
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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:18 am

So I'm reading To Serve and Protect...
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I had to fight to keep the smile off my face as I played my trick. “My apologies, Honored Shadow, but there seems to have been a misunderstanding. I do not seek your armor for myself; I intended to convey it to Princess Twilight for her own use.”
Shadow blinked several times before responding, and I had a feeling I might have caught her off guard “That is a lie. I have seen thy heart, and I know that thou dost desire to wear the Armor thyself.”
“Of course I do.” I closed my eyes and took a deep breath. “I’ve dreamed of wearing your armor since I was a filly. I’m pretty sure every single Kicker has. Only the best of us get to actually wear it, and anypony who does end up with it is a legend in the clan. Hay, I was fantasizing about beating up monsters while wearing your armor before I was old enough to have my first sparring session with Mom.” I dropped my eyes. “But the thing is, I swore an oath that I would give my life for Twilight Sparkle, if that was what she needed. Compared to that, what’s a little pride?”
Shadow continued staring at me for several seconds longer, then offered a slight nod. “That is a very intriguing answer, descendent. So be it then, convey my armor to thy princess.” A hint of a mischievous smile crossed her lips. “‘Twould be difficult to carry it, so I will grant thee the right to wear it, and enjoy its full protection and power whilst ‘tis ‘pon thee. And if thou shouldst happen upon the beast that threatens thy princess ere thou canst convey the armor to her, then I shall offer thee its full strength for the battle that follows.”
I blinked in surprise at that. “Did I just succeed in getting your armor on a technicality?”
“Of course not,” Shadow answered easily. “The enchantments placed ‘pon the armor are very exacting. Only one whose heart is wholly pure may have it. Thou dost not have the full use of the Armor, thou art merely a courier, who I will allow to use the Armor to ensure ‘tis not taken by another.” That hint of a smile on her face widened. “I have found purity of heart to be a preciously rare virtue, and those few who are pure of heart are rarely warriors. Thankfully, when Commander Celestia crafted the spells that prevent this armor from falling into wicked hooves, she did not think to set such an impossibly high standard for a mere courier. I have slightly more latitude, in that regard.”
I think my jaw dropped at that. “You’re abusing a loophole in the protection spells?”
Shadow took nearly half a minute to answer me. “I, too, once had a princess whom I was prepared to give my all in the service of.” Having gotten the last word in, she promptly vanished.
Once I was done wrapping my head around the idea that my supposedly honorable-to-a-fault ancestor had just pulled a fast one on Celestia I got to work on putting the armor on.
By itself, of course, this certainly isn't an indication of a sinister conspiracy. Looked at from our perspective here, though, combined with everything else... Shadow, even hundreds of years after her death, even if it's probably not actually her and instead a suit of armor made by Celestia, is still covertly doing things that Celestia had ruled against on moral grounds. And a modern pony of her clan is, of course, shocked that the hero she was raised on stories of, despite being known to have a cutie mark in asymmetric warfare, was not "honorable-to-a-fault".

Oh, and later in the story:
Twilight rubbed a hoof over her face. “Speaking of which, Celestia was a bit miffed about that.” She leaned in, and whispered. “Just between you and me, I think she was a bit offended that somepony found a way to sneak past the security spells she put on Shadow’s Armor.
Yeah. Somepony. To be fair, Storm did initially propose the idea of taking the armor to Twilight... but the Shadow in the armor took it from there.

Oh, and, a small detail: it looks like I was wrong about Shadow's height in this thread's opening paragraph thing; she does not appear to have been shorter than average. I checked this in The Lunar Rebellion, too. I may, of course, have missed something this time rather than last time, but either way, sorry about the mistake.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:36 am

There is no absolute morality, of course, so I've never considered "purity of heart" to mean anything other than "someone whose actions and behavior do not conflict with their conscience".

I remember a Young Justice (a cartoon) episode that echoed this regard. A guy named Harm was able to wield a sword said to only obey those of a pure heart because the legend never said "pure good".

I have to wonder when Shadow came to be thought of as someone with a pure heart, though. If her memoirs are any clue she constantly had doubts, allied with those she considered evil when it was convenient, broke vows and lied when it suited her, and yeah... had a special talent at being deceptive.

She never had a pure heart... at least, not so long as she had cause to wear her armor.

Anyway, I have not read this story you have referenced. Who is Shadow, here? Is it seriously her ghost, or is the armor just enchanted? 'Cause, if so, Sunbeam might be to blame for making the armor more useful than Shadow might have intended.
Plus the fact that Shadow has no capacity for magic and would have no actual say on how her armor would behave after her death.

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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:07 am

I'm not sure where the "pure of heart" thing came from either. I'll point out, though, that it's possible she isn't considered pure of heart by your definition but that a different definition is being used.

swicked wrote:Is it seriously her ghost, or is the armor just enchanted?
That's not clear, I'm afraid.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:47 am

O. Hinds wrote:I'm not sure where the "pure of heart" thing came from either.  I'll point out, though, that it's possible she isn't considered pure of heart by your definition but that a different definition is being used.
Eh, yeah, for all we know it might only refer to her chastity remaining intact.

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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:59 am

I doubt that it has that particular meaning, but yes. :)
We'll probably get more information about this eventually from The Lunar Rebellion.
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Post by RoboRed on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:30 pm

In related news, Chengar posted the next story in the present-day Winningverse.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/275748/the-new-life-of-a-winning-pony

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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:22 pm

I'm aware of this, but I'm wanting to finish some other reading before starting that.
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Post by O. Hinds on Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:27 am

Update: And I've now read the first (and currently only) chapter.
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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:22 pm

Regarding the new chapter of The Lunar Rebellion:
I do wonder if Shadow thought at this point that things were perhaps getting a little out of hoof.  I doubt the conspiracy foresaw this.

Ah, and are we now seeing the origin of Shadow's famous armor?
It appears that we are.

Ah, and perhaps the armor picked up a lingering impression of Shadow while she was in it, explaining the personality imprint thing...
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Post by ILM126 on Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:44 am

I see "Winningverse", got curious and jumped in.
What's this thing here?

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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:15 pm

What would you like to know that the first post doesn't cover?
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Post by ILM126 on Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:12 am

Gah! I didn't read ^^"
Just jumped straight in...
I should stop doing that in forums :(

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No problem. :)
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Post by RoboRed on Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:27 am

New chapter of Phoenix Empire out.

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