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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:01 am
- Foil:
- Some people, like Contessa and presumably the Number Man, got shares right from Eden, as Eden was too wounded to be able to actually hamper and cripple them. Contessa being the prime example, but Foil, it seems, being another.
- Cozen:
I (mostly) kid when I say that she's an unlikable whore. We don't even know what her power is, let alone anything about her character, but all we know is that, when Taylor left, Grue got a big-titled replacement. He also acted like a lil' bitch, trauma or no, and was established to be pretty much a useless emo fuck who left everything to Tattletale and the others and was a leader pretty much only in name, so I wasn't too disappointed to find out he died like a lil' bitch in the same event that Taylor survived and overcame.
- Khepri:
- Egyptian scarab-God of the morning sun. One can presume the name started to spread, rather fearfully, among the capes in the wake of the fight, considering there were several big traits that separated her from other personalities we've seen from Taylor--being freaky-powerful and buttfuck insane, primarily.
Oh, and it's mentioned waaay back in Battery's interlude that Cauldron has a parahuman whose power is to remove powers. Presumably that's what they did after Contessa used her aim of powers to disable Taylor.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:12 am
swicked wrote:
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Foil isn't old-enough. Number Man might be, though. I didn't see any evidence he had to of been from Eden, though. Unless we're just assuming anyone particularly powerful had to of been empowered by an Eden shard.
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- Eden, like Scion, set the shards to arrive at different points in time (hence people are still triggering after his death) but the shares were 'damage' (presumably the restrictions were interfered with first) after her death. We can presume that any power that doesn't have those sorts of restrictions like the Manton Effect are from Eden
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I'm guessing they all bought that it was a second trigger, too, and didn't lynch Amy for her part in it all.
And kay. I guess, again, they must have had a powerful healer, too, since I really doubt those bullets weren't real with her power working when she's knocked out and anyone entering her radius being paralyzed.
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- We can presume someone coined 'Khepri' as a sort of separation between Taylor and Khepri out of a sort of respect for Taylor and all she accomplished ( to separate her from the monster she became) or it's just one of those superstitious things that took on a life of its own.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:50 am
swicked wrote:Scienza wrote:
- End too:
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Taylor sacrificed everything for this on a mental and emotional level. Her friends, multiple times over. Her sanity, her body, her mental health, her virtues, her conviction, her mentality. Everything she ever was, all the way down to the basic underlying sense of morality that had been bent, twisted and factured leading up to that fight before it shattered entirely. All for the mission.
Sacrificing people. People she knew. Giving in to her inability to do the same for her friends, not realizing she'd already done just that with Grue. Doing something so similar to what had been done to her. Destroying someone like that. It's full circle. She had nothing left in her but her life.
Still not sure who exactly gave her back her ability to speak, though. To move her mouth. I mean, I guess I can assume the fairy queen did some fixing of her brain and body to allow Contessa to interview her, but yeah.
This was never a story about bullying being bad. This was a story about someone giving up everything for a cause. Several people doing so, really.
I mean, bullying is bad, but I'd say the anti-drug campaign running throughout it, and touched upon yet again in the epilogue, was more... moral-y.
If that had ever been more of a central theme for Taylor as opposed to just Grue and Imp, I bet the author would have had her use drugs in the final act as well. As it stands, experimental noninvasive brain surgery made do.
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- No, I get that it's about sacrificing everything, it's just that it's such a depressingly dark (I know, in Worm, ha ha) endcap to Taylor's story. The utter deconstruction of objective morality is basically the whole point, but it leaves me conflicted in a way that I find incredibly interesting. Among other things, it also plays into that distinction between Taylor and Khepri, in that it reflects just how much of herself that Taylor abandons to the Queen Administrator. I can't shake the feeling that the reason that Khepri found that solution was that she saw the same emotions in Scion that were in the fragmented soup that used to be Taylor.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:17 pm
swicked wrote:Mister Frost wrote:swicked wrote:
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Foil isn't old-enough. Number Man might be, though. I didn't see any evidence he had to of been from Eden, though. Unless we're just assuming anyone particularly powerful had to of been empowered by an Eden shard.
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- The Endbringers, Teacher, and the other issues were definitely meant to be unresolved 'continuing adventure' plot threads. I don't think that things relating directly to Scion and his demise, though, were meant to be unanswered. The theory I posited above, while never outright stated, is the logical conclusion of all given evidence, though others are free to disagree
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:06 am
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- Case 53's are the result of Cauldron's experiments and efforts to turn Eden's dissected corpse into usable formulae. That the pieces they were grabbing had no or few restrictions was, initially, a fringe benefit, before they realized it could produce capes like Eidolon.
My theory on the triggers at the end was pretty much the same as yours.
Concerning the future of capes--well, according to Glassting Umlat or whatever her fucking name was, the Entities' plan was to real their harvest in three hundred or so years anyway, so trigger events will certainly stop then. In the meantime, I suspect that the violent and harmful trigger events will slowly overtake the successful ones, and events in general will get rarer and less frequent until all of the shares have made landfall and just sort of hang around (perhaps being passed from parent to child, as they are now) until the deadline, when they vanish.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:41 am
All we knew about Saint, initially, was that he was a non-cape mercenary who'd managed to spit in the eyes of one of the most powerful and influential capes on the planet. You kinda had to respect that, like you have to respect Lex Luthor for going head to head with the alien man-god. That respect rather faded when the details came to light, naturally.
I just thought Faultline and her crew were interesting, personally. Kinda underutilized, but had some cool ideas that I expected to see focused on a bit more. Chalk it up to a difference in tastes, I guess.
I just thought Faultline and her crew were interesting, personally. Kinda underutilized, but had some cool ideas that I expected to see focused on a bit more. Chalk it up to a difference in tastes, I guess.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:40 am
swicked wrote:Mister Frost wrote:
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My theory on the triggers at the end was pretty much the same as yours.
Concerning the future of capes--well, according to Glassting Umlat or whatever her fucking name was, the Entities' plan was to real their harvest in three hundred or so years anyway, so trigger events will certainly stop then. In the meantime, I suspect that the violent and harmful trigger events will slowly overtake the successful ones, and events in general will get rarer and less frequent until all of the shares have made landfall and just sort of hang around (perhaps being passed from parent to child, as they are now) until the deadline, when they vanish.
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'Cause yeah, again, I could hardly be more convinced she was Cauldron. Even if Eden's shards were in the wild and thus Scion had to be regulating them to prevent disasterous triggers, he wouldn't have made Foil.
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I'm saying I don't think Scion was regulating Eden's shards. If you recall from his interlude and from Cauldron personnel's dialogue, Scion was confounded by the 'damaged' shards, which weren't all from Cauldron--Jack Slash, among others, were referred to as having damaged shards. We can presume that most of the non-Cauldron monsters like Nilbog, Ash Beast, Crawler, ect. Are Eden shards, and it's just the fact that powers like Foil or Jack'a aren't of the sort of nature to be hyper-destructive or volatile that prevents them from having similarly monstrous natures.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:15 pm
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- One can surmise that Eden's shards were less damaged by her relatively quiet death than the violent, world-sundering violence with which Zion was killed.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:21 pm
I think the joke was made pretty early on in Cenotaph. At one point, someone calls her "Tailor" and she freaks the fuck out, which kind of kicks off the main plot of the fic.swicked wrote:How did it take me so long to realize her name is Taylor (tailor) and she makes costumes for everyone?
I mean, that's obnoxious-enough someone could have mentioned it in the story.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:30 pm
And I just finished Arc 26.
My only words: HOLY SHIT.
My only words: HOLY SHIT.
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- Shit's fucked on a multi-dimensional scale...that's a new record for Worm!
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:12 am
- Parian and Taylor 16.1 is the last chapter I read. Can't remember when this information is relevant:
- If Taylor could get enough of her spider silk cloth she could really beef up Parian. I mean the cloth she uses for costumes would be usable for her constructs right?
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:17 am
Last wrote:
- Parian and Taylor 16.1 is the last chapter I read. Can't remember when this information is relevant:
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- This sort of plays into the question of how much of Parian's power is for show/it's the only way she knows how and how much is actually her power. Because she does have the problem that she can't really stitch together cloth that's stab proof.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:23 am
Scienza wrote:Last wrote:
- Parian and Taylor 16.1 is the last chapter I read. Can't remember when this information is relevant:
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- Refresh my memory, it's been a while since I've seen Parian sew together anything, last I remember was leviathan and that's been a while. Isn't her needle ethereal or something? I don't think she used an actual needle or something large and improvised to get the job done. Dominion over cloth I'd imagine is dominion over cloth.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:45 am
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- Ah okay. I know what happened I think because Taylor saw her sewing at a distance in the rain I imagined it was something special. Like I thought it was glowing.
Still I think there are some ways around this. Like maybe Taylor could glue normal cloth around the edges, the seams would be weaker, but not any weaker than Parian's usual contructs. Not perfect of course but probably better. Maybe not enough of an improvement to justify the work.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Harmony Ltd. Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:57 am
So, it took me until 6.2 where it was explicitly mentioned to get that Brian was black.
I guess I didn't make the leap from "dark skinned" to there.
I guess I didn't make the leap from "dark skinned" to there.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:08 pm
Harmony, Ltd: Racist, or just stupid? Stay tuned to find out!
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Harmony Ltd. Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:45 pm
Dark-skinned doesn't mean "black" for me. You can be dark-skinned without being african-descended (indians, filipinos, australian aborigenes, mestizo, etc...).
Plus, I just didn't pay attention to his description past the "relatively tall and muscular guy".
Plus, I just didn't pay attention to his description past the "relatively tall and muscular guy".
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:47 pm
Heh, same thing happened to me...Harmony Ltd. wrote:So, it took me until 6.2 where it was explicitly mentioned to get that Brian was black.
I guess I didn't make the leap from "dark skinned" to there.
In other news:
- Interlude 27b:
- HOLY SHIT, did not expect that plot twist...poor Eidolon, even after getting powers he had such little free will
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:01 pm
swicked wrote:Stringtheory wrote:
- Interlude 27b:
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I never felt bad for him. Not for a single moment.
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- Yeah, I don't really feel sorry for him, just a bit of pity. It seems that Worm goes heavy on ironic superpowers, best example stated in story: the Travelers
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:17 pm
- 28.4:
- Ha ha ha, I can't believe recruiting the Endbringers actually worked. Not to mention just how little they are as a threat at this stage of the game.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Harmony Ltd. Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:46 am
- Arc 8:
- So, finished reading that arc yesterday, and since then I can't stop thinking of some sort of crossover between Worm and Evangelion.
I mean, the Endbringers look like they're basically Angels so far.
And now I have this vision of some tinker building EVAs to fight the Enbringers.
Anyway, I was just putting that out there. You can return to your regularly scheduled speculations.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:19 pm
swicked wrote:
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Even Skitter bemoans, toward the end, not being able to talk to him. To get his perspective. His optimism, oddly-enough.
He also had his sarcasm and a disregard for authority that she recognized and praised during one of their few extended interactions in a van during Echidna.
I seriously liked him. I think Skitter and Clockblocker could have become great friends if they just had more time and proximity. Skitter had a lot of opposites and parallels in the story and he was one of them.
I don't think the story ever followed him. Yet he definitely had an interesting character arc going from immature and sarcastic to deeply cynical and angry to actually recovering a bit. I wish I could have seen what he would do after the end of the world. It felt like his story was cut short, but a lot of characters' were.
Anyone else have characters they hated to see die?
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- Good god, so many... I loved so many of the minor and background characters who showed up, and since a vast majority of them end up biting it before the end, I was always left staggered after "whammy" Arcs like Leviathan, Behemoth, and the finale. Probably the character I hated to see go the most was Regent. He never got to finish his undoubtedly brilliant one-liner either.
Also, who can forget Genoscythe the Eyeraper?
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:29 pm
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- Ah, Genoscythe. He will be missed. Let us never forget his sacred creed: "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is next."
Really, though, most of the major characters that I ended up with any sort of connection to either survived, or died as was expected and accepted before the fact.
Something I think is interesting, though, is that while Doctor (not a doctor) Mother (not a mother) got ironically and therapeutically stranglecrushpwned and Contessa is a fugitive with Teacher while most other Cauldroneers are dead as balls, Number Man's in the wind, unaccounted for and probably just living in Columbia on some Earth acting as a financial adviser to the cartels or whatever. Whiling away his off-hours playing online tournaments so well he gets banned for hacking.
I just think it's interesting while everyone but Legend (who isn't doing so great anyway, despite his being the only real "good" guy on Cauldron's team) got ironic fates or simply death, Contessa is mostly fine and Number Man's off scott-free.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:11 am
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- He comes to lead the Wardens on, I believe, Earth G. No mention is made of his husband and child, and Scion's early attacks on the East coast (Legend's home being in New York) makes me inclined to believe they died.
Also, I was reminded a bit earlier of Eden's vision of the future. In it, Miss Militia (under the name Arsenal) appears alongside several other capes who I don't recall at the moment, with the collective name of 'The Wardens', as they gather to deal with a coming S-class threat. We were lead to believe that it was some alternate future that was radically changed by 'her' death, but I only realized on recent reflection that the "prophecy" was just aimed a bit further out in the future than initially suspected.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:16 am
swicked wrote:Scienza wrote:swicked wrote:
- ending spoilers:
Even Skitter bemoans, toward the end, not being able to talk to him. To get his perspective. His optimism, oddly-enough.
He also had his sarcasm and a disregard for authority that she recognized and praised during one of their few extended interactions in a van during Echidna.
I seriously liked him. I think Skitter and Clockblocker could have become great friends if they just had more time and proximity. Skitter had a lot of opposites and parallels in the story and he was one of them.
I don't think the story ever followed him. Yet he definitely had an interesting character arc going from immature and sarcastic to deeply cynical and angry to actually recovering a bit. I wish I could have seen what he would do after the end of the world. It felt like his story was cut short, but a lot of characters' were.
Anyone else have characters they hated to see die?
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Also, who can forget Genoscythe the Eyeraper?
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I have no idea who you are referring to.
I never really cared much for Regent. I was expecting to die for a long time, too.
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- He was a joke character the fanbase came up with to poke fun at some of the "edgier" capes like the Teeth and the Fallen. Wildbow confirmed that he died in the battle with Scion.
I'm honestly surprised that you didn't care for Regent. He seemed exactly like the kind of character you would get behind.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:27 am
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- From my understanding of the Entities, they are constantly travelling through the multiverse. They're pan-dimensional and exist in virtually all realities simultaneously. When they come to a new world, they're literally travelling in space to a new planet.
I'm inclined to think so because:
1.) They're described as travelling through the stars. While this may be figurative, all dimensional travel in the story is described more as a doorway than a voyage
2.) They're impossibly vast, vast enough to dwarf the planet before shattering into shards
3.) When the Shards were, more-or-less, the actual species, they overran the planet on every dimension again and again for eons. After they consumed themselves in war and began forming the vast Entities we're "familiar" with, they're described as casting out far and wide into the stars.
4.) They describe humans (Bipedal, two-sex, ect) as if, while they're familiar with such species, they're encountering them for the first time. Seeing a new world and new alien life. Doesn't jibe with the idea that they're just cruising from one planet, multiverse to multiverse, and dealing with humans again.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Harmony Ltd. Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:15 pm
This song came up in my playlist several times.
- Current progress: Arc 15:
- It's basically my theme song for the fight scenes between the Undersiders and the S9. And I can't help but imagine a 2D, chibi-pixel game, with chibi Bonesaw, chibi Jack, chibi Skitter...
Just thing about it and tell me it isn't awesome.
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by Frost Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:20 pm
hm?Harmony Ltd. wrote:with chibi Bonesaw, chibi Jack, chibi Skitter...
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by Harmony Ltd. Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:42 pm
This is what I was thinking about, but more... pixelly, and jumpy.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:00 pm
Reviving this thread because it felt better than interrupting the discussion ongoing in the chat thread. Anyways, Wildbow just finished Pact, and has started on his third serial, Twig.
Damn, this guy works fast.
Damn, this guy works fast.
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