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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Mister Nikel on Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:30 am

This discussion about the legates source of power cracks me up.
Should we perhaps bring up"that"again?
Or let it die and be forgotten until the part in the story where it matters?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:07 am

Mister Nikel wrote:This discussion about the legates source of power cracks me up.
Should we perhaps bring up"that"again?
Or let it die and be forgotten until the part in the story where it matters?
...YOU can let it die and be forgotten, if you want.
I'm curious about it, I want to talk about it, and it isn't at all critical of the writing team's work, so... yeah. I'm going to talk about it.
I don't really feel like entertaining the question of whether what I'm curious about "matters" or not.

...in fact, I don't believe what "matters" or not is traditionally a question that's discussed in the PH discussion thread, at all.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:45 am

mat·ter [mat-er] noun
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2. Physical or corporeal substance in general, whether solid, liquid, or gaseous, especially as distinguished from incorporeal substance, as spirit or mind, or from qualities, actions, and the like.
3. Something that occupies space.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Mister Nikel on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:56 am

I was actually referring to the Legate spoilers but whatever.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:36 pm

Mister Nikel wrote:I was actually referring to the Legate spoilers but whatever.
Any excuse for a good joke.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:51 pm

swicked wrote:Another thing that came up in my review (working on editing and formatting it), what was up with the exchange regarding the phoenix talisman? I'd expect BJ to yell out that the Legate couldn't possibly have one, but then he knew what is was and, apparently, had prevented BJ from getting one of her own?

What? Where did I miss this? When were they part of that sub-plot?
I think, my reading of that, was that he doesn't know that Rampage is the Phoenix. The last he knew was they recovered Shuuja's body at Yellow River and the talisman was already gone, two centuries since.

There is no existing record of Shuuja transferring that thing to Twist. We saw it happen in Rampage's living memory, but at the time, the Phoenix Talisman was considered lost.

The Legate thought that was why BJ was at Yellow River. It was actually just curiosity, but he figures she went there to become immortal, and failed.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:52 pm

swicked wrote:
Mister Nikel wrote:This discussion about the legates source of power cracks me up.
Should we perhaps bring up"that"again?
Or let it die and be forgotten until the part in the story where it matters?
...YOU can let it die and be forgotten, if you want.
I'm curious about it, I want to talk about it, and it isn't at all critical of the writing team's work, so... yeah. I'm going to talk about it.
I don't really feel like entertaining the question of whether what I'm curious about "matters" or not.

Wow! Easy there! You misread his post.

"Should we perhaps bring up[the legate spoiler] again? Or let [the spoiler] die and be forgotten until the part in the story where [canon information about the legate's power source] matters?"


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:57 pm

jacky2734 wrote:The entire food processing plant of 99 was infected with that virus. If the AJ Rangers get that up and running and use it, than we could be looking at Power Armor Toting Cannibal Raiders.
I would think that if anything can kill the virus, a long bath in chlorine would do it.

Frankly, there are a lot of infectious agents in the real world that will survive any amount of scrubbing with soap and water but can't handle a quick bleaching.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Snipehamster on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:01 pm

Broadly speaking (setting aside a few things that might be nitpicked at or clarified - I'll go into detail if asked) I think Stable 99 (before, during and after its fall) has been one of the best parts of PH so far.

@/mlp/: I lurk, but generally don't post, on imageboards. I have a tendency to rant, ramble and obsessively edit my posts, which doesn't really work under chan format. But if anyone wants to chat I spend much of my time lurking #FalloutEquestria on IRC.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kippershy on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:06 pm

I'll hit 'em up and let them know for you, Snipe.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:34 pm

...what legate spoiler? Did somber already say what makes the legate so powerful?

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:45 pm

Yeah, a few pages back, believe it was right after the post about what had gone on at Unicon.

A lot of us are avoiding reading it so as not to get spoiled.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:29 pm

FeatherDust wrote:Yeah, a few pages back, believe it was right after the post about what had gone on at Unicon.

A lot of us are avoiding reading it so as not to get spoiled.
No, it was before he left for Unicon, IIRC.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Train Dodger on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:02 pm

FeatherDust wrote:Frankly, there are a lot of infectious agents in the real world that will survive any amount of scrubbing with soap and water but can't handle a quick bleaching.

If the raider disease is prion-based, as it appears to be, then chlorine fumigation won't work. The only way to get rid of the disease is by using a combination of enough heat and lye to effectively destroy whatever it was that was contaminated with it in the first place.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:11 pm

FeatherDust wrote:Yeah, a few pages back, believe it was right after the post about what had gone on at Unicon.

A lot of us are avoiding reading it so as not to get spoiled.
Kay, well, I don't care... when I'm curious, I figure out the answer.
So... *looks*

Edit:
Kay, so, evidently I posted right after Somber posted the spoiler and completely missed it.
Sometimes my obliviousness astounds me.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:15 pm

swicked wrote:I just dunno if we are looking at ultimate levels of zebra alchemy or ultimate levels of zebra cyberization.
Well, given that he's got blatant alchemical augs, and given that they're incompatible with cyber augs...

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SilentCarto wrote:...To paraphrase and reformat per Ray Bradbury...
I think you mean George Orwell. Applebloom

Yes. That.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:21 pm

You were thinking of Fahrenheit 451.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:38 pm

FeatherDust wrote:Yeah, a few pages back, believe it was right after the post about what had gone on at Unicon.

A lot of us are avoiding reading it so as not to get spoiled.

Hmm, I seemed to miss that as well. Is it that much of a story breaker to know? Don't tell me what is is though. I'd prefer to find out in the actual story.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:48 pm

Train Dodger wrote:If the raider disease is prion-based, as it appears to be, then chlorine fumigation won't work.
Ah... that isn't actually what the article says.

The decontamination methods that have shown significant activity against prions include extended steam sterilization in conjunction with 1M sodium hypochlorite or sodium hypochlorite (2% available chlorine).

Sodium hypochlorite dissolved in water is chlorine bleach. 1M refers to the concentration of bleach to water; in this case 1 mol (75 grams*) per liter, which is only slightly stronger than off-the-shelf Clorox at 0.88 mol/liter.

A cloud of chlorine will have a great deal MORE than 2% available chlorine, it's just insanely hazardous to work with. (It's logical that chlorine would work well on a prion; a prion is a protein that is folded in a very specific way. If a chlorine comes by and rips a few hydrogens off the protein's edges, it'll change the fold pattern and turn a disease causing protein into just another flake of organic matter.) And while they don't have heating, the long duration of the treatment ought to make up for that nicely.


* A mol of a substance is basically a number of grams of the material equal to the molecule's total atomic weight. A mol of hydrogen weighs 1.06 grams; a mol of helium weighs about 4 grams, etc. Because of the way atoms work, a mol is always the same number of molecules -- 6.02x10^23 -- no matter what substance you're working with. This makes the math a lot easier for chemists.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by jacky2734 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:58 pm

FeatherDust wrote:
Train Dodger wrote:If the raider disease is prion-based, as it appears to be, then chlorine fumigation won't work.
Ah... that isn't actually what the article says.

The decontamination methods that have shown significant activity against prions include extended steam sterilization in conjunction with 1M sodium hypochlorite or sodium hypochlorite (2% available chlorine).

1M refers to the concentration of bleach to water; in this case 1 mol (75 grams*) per liter, which is only slightly stronger than off-the-shelf Clorox at .88 mol/liter.

Sodium hypochlorite is chlorine bleach. A cloud of chlorine will have a great deal MORE than 2% available chlorine, it's just insanely hazardous to work with. (It's logical that chlorine would work well on a prion; a prion is a protein that is folded in a very specific way. If a chlorine comes by and rips a few hydrogens off the protein's edges, it'll change the fold pattern and turn a disease causing protein into just another flake of organic matter.) And while they don't have heating, the long duration of the treatment ought to make up for that nicely.


* A mol of a substance is basically a number of grams of the material equal to the molecule's total atomic weight. A mol of hydrogen weighs 1.06 grams; a mol of helium weighs about 4 grams, etc. Because of the way atoms work, a mol is always the same number of molecules -- 6.02x10^23 -- no matter what substance you're working with. This makes the math a lot easier for chemists.

You forget to consider that there might be a mystical element to the virus.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:05 pm

jacky2734 wrote:You forget to consider that there might be a mystical element to the virus.
No, I didn't, there's just no point speculating about that. Are you familiar with the term "a wizard did it"? A 'mystical element' could mean literally anything; an author can justify any behavior, immunity, or even weakness* by saying there's a 'mystical element' to the disease. As soon as you assume the disease is made out of magic, all discussion comes to an end, because it could do anything, no longer bounded by any set of rules.

So, for the purpose of the discussion, we'll assume it's a prion and treat it as such.


* For example, the disease might be vulnerable to laughter or the color puce.

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Hmm, I seemed to miss [the spoiler] as well. Is it that much of a story breaker to know? Don't tell me what is is though. I'd prefer to find out in the actual story.
I dunno, if you don't wanna read it, don't read it. It's a pretty big reveal, I think, so I'd recommend not reading it.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WovenTales on Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:15 pm

FeatherDust wrote:
jacky2734 wrote:You forget to consider that there might be a mystical element to the virus.
No, I didn't, there's just no point speculating about that. Are you familiar with the term "a wizard did it"? A 'mystical element' could mean literally anything; an author can justify any behavior, immunity, or even weakness* by saying there's a 'mystical element' to the disease. As soon as you assume the disease is made out of magic, all discussion comes to an end, because it could do anything, no longer bounded by any set of rules.

So, for the purpose of the discussion, we'll assume it's a prion and treat it as such.


* For example, the disease might be vulnerable to laughter or the color puce.
It's not that all discussion necessarily has to come to an end, it's just that we'd need as much detailed information on how magic works in the universe as we could get. Since the only thing we know in both MLP and FoE are some high-level rules (and even those aren't definite), I do agree that in this case we'd be better off sticking to discussions based in our world. Just keep in mind that Equestria ultimately has a slightly different ruleset, so anything we come up with is only a rough approximation.

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Hmm, I seemed to miss [the spoiler] as well. Is it that much of a story breaker to know? Don't tell me what is is though. I'd prefer to find out in the actual story.
I dunno, if you don't wanna read it, don't read it. It's a pretty big reveal, I think, so I'd recommend not reading it.
It gave us what could be a medium-level plot point (though I think I remember a similar theory or two floating around a bit earlier) and some backstory. I don't think it's anything that would hurt the story to know, more just give the eventual reveal less impact. Nothing like saying how the story or plot arc is going to end, or even whether one of the party members is going to leave.
Spoiler for different topic:
How did that turn out, anyway? Did I just miss the pony on their way out? I'm pretty sure it was after the ghoul-robot-and-zebra team had split away.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Train Dodger on Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:48 pm

FeatherDust wrote:Sodium hypochlorite dissolved in water is chlorine bleach. 1M refers to the concentration of bleach to water; in this case 1 mol (75 grams*) per liter, which is only slightly stronger than off-the-shelf Clorox at 0.88 mol/liter.

A cloud of chlorine will have a great deal MORE than 2% available chlorine, it's just insanely hazardous to work with. (It's logical that chlorine would work well on a prion; a prion is a protein that is folded in a very specific way. If a chlorine comes by and rips a few hydrogens off the protein's edges, it'll change the fold pattern and turn a disease causing protein into just another flake of organic matter.) And while they don't have heating, the long duration of the treatment ought to make up for that nicely.

Hmm, that's true. Free elemental chlorine is highly reactive, and in such high concentrations, it might not matter if it's a particularly oxidizing compound of chlorine or not.

However, the disease-causing agent was in sealed steel vessels in the recycling system, and the gas is not likely to have penetrated those. That's the part I'm worried about.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by StoneSlinger88 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:01 am

It might've gotten in the recycling system-- after all, they were eating the chips, so somepony must've been working it. And after, I doubt the infected ponies would've had the sense to properly seal the machine up. I might be an optimist (probably a bad thing when speculating), but if they were left open the machine might've taken in the gas, or had chlorine mix itself with whatever vat they used to make the chips, running it through the system.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:30 am

Hey, just had a thought, which tribe(s) does DBZebra and the CyberLegion come from? Did they all come from the warrior tribe, or are they an assortment of tribal members that all got upgraded Cybermen style?

Re: Stable 99 cleansing
I would think that the place being filled with chlorine would deter the rangers from utilizing any of the facilities until the whole place is purged. Possibly with fire, considering all the corpses about. What a terrifying story that would be, in the eyes of Crumpets seeing a more recently massacred stable. Then there would have to be that one idiot that decides not to follow orders, and gets infected and has to be put down.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:07 am

The Cyberzebras are referred to as Brood of Coyotl... we've seen them in great numbers whenever they've appeared and they seem to be used mostly as disposable shock troops, giving me the impression that they're mass-produced or something. But it's not clear yet if they're just made out of normal zebras in great numbers, or all come from one tribe, or if they're literally off a production line with the organic parts being cloned or something. Maybe they went all 40K on it and built them out of the corpses of fallen zebra soldiers (with healing talismans explaining how they aren't all horribly scarred or something?)?

As for 99 and the plague, I doubt the Rangers will have much trouble with it. The Steel Rangers are one of the most advanced groups in the wasteland, and they've been adequately warned. They wouldn't eat anything that came out of the Stable until it was properly tested, and if the chlorine didn't sterilize things adequately they would do it themselves. The Stable ponies only got caught because they were stupid; they didn't want to believe there was a real threat from the corpses, they didn't like Blackjack, and they'd been conditioned from birth to recycle everything and trust the machines for centuries.

Also apparently I get significantly more brohoofs in three days of refraining from posting than in two average weeks.
...I'll just not read too much into that, shall I?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Mister Nikel on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:11 am

Cyberzebras are either mass produced robots or robotized Zebras. From what we know they are soulless and lack true sentience. Limits of their intelligence are unknown beyond that.

Back during the Twist and Shuja flashback we learned that most of the first legion was replaced with them. The old Legate and the remaining members did not recognize them as the old members of their legion and called them creepy strangers who never talked or ate.

It's hard to say if they are factory produced or using zebra bodies as a carcass for all the tech in them. If they are factory made then what the heck are all the fleshy bits even for? And if they are robotized Zebras why did their comrades not recognize them? We need some details about that.

And the legate
LEGATE SPOILERS:
is not part of any tribe anymore. Unless there is more Propoli.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:51 am

Mister Nikel wrote:The old Legate and the remaining members did not recognize them as the old members of their legion and called them creepy strangers who never talked or ate.

It's hard to say if they are factory produced or using zebra bodies as a carcass for all the tech in them. If they are factory made then what the heck are all the fleshy bits even for? And if they are robotized Zebras why did their comrades not recognize them? We need some details about that.
Okay, forgot the bit about never eating. So yeah, definitely robots wrapped in meat rather than normal zebras with chrome inside. Which leads to the twin questions of how and why.

The why only makes sense for infiltration (which we never saw them used for and they would kinda suck at), or if there was a serious shortage of robot parts or a serious excess of fleshy bodies, such that it's cheaper or gives you more forces to modify organics instead of making fully synthetic units.

This might imply that the Brood were designed to be "built" behind enemy lines, where you wouldn't have the resources to construct traditional robots but might be able to carry in cyberparts. It might also imply a connection to Hippocratic, since Blanks are the only source I can think of for fresh bodies that wouldn't be significantly less efficient or more expensive. Then there's the name; Brood of Coyotl would be easiest to interpret as children of Coyote, a traditional trickster/Meddler spirit, so there's almost certainly a connection to Discord. Meaning that either full Blanks or large quantities of Ichor were probably being smuggled out to zebras... and unless that smuggling went a long way, the Brood were all grown/built within the Hoof.

Anyway, if they are using Blanks that explains a lot of things. Like why they used chrome instead of alchemy to modify them; I doubt you'd get much of a soldier out of a Blank even on the best of chems, but once you make them into an organic robot the lack of drive doesn't matter anymore; they're programmed to fight effectively. And why we didn't see these cheap disposable shock troops used elsewhere; even if they could be made outside the Hoof you'd be revealing your sources if they were frequent enough for the Equestrians to investigate them properly. Speaking of things you can't afford for Equestria to find out about, that chrome might imply a connection to Project Steelpony since we haven't heard anything about zebras developing cybernetics before; I suspect many amusing answers would come out if you dragged a Brood corpse back to the Professor.

We may be looking at an army specifically invented to destroy the Hoof; they sneak in a good team of leaders and techs, use local resources to make a huge number of disposable forces, and exterminate everything in their way before the survivors can get enough data out to cut off those resources.

And the legate
LEGATE SPOILERS:
is not part of any tribe anymore. Unless there is more Propoli.
Legate things:
yeah, but I think there are more Starkerrei around somewhere Spike
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:53 pm

Sindri, I love your idea there. It makes the Brood of Coyotl way awesome. But the problem is the zebras could well have the resources to make them without the need to steal resources. First off, it's been said before that Discord wasn't the only 'chaos spirit' to visit the planet. Coyotl could well be a lesser chaos spirit that the zebras had imprisoned. (They probably use zebra tech/alchemy, because zebra.) Secondly, the cyborg parts might come as a modification of all the advanced robots they had. Remember, zebra's are supposed to have the most advanced robots. The zebras solve the problem of training the blanks by putting cyborg parts in their brain and elsewhere to take direct control.

The why is simple: More soldiers. Lots and lots of soldiers, on the cheap. Soldiers that follow orders perfectly and make good cannon fodder.

Also, the infiltrate-manufacture plan means keeping them secret until they're used, and in their first appearance in the memory orb they were out in the open hunting down zebras who had turned traitor.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:28 pm

Derpmind wrote:The why is simple: More soldiers. Lots and lots of soldiers, on the cheap. Soldiers that follow orders perfectly and make good cannon fodder.
Yes, but what makes them more practical than normal robots? Cloning and cyberware are both very difficult and advanced processes, and we know that the zebras already have great warbots. The Brood are only a better choice under two conditions that I can think of. Either they're designed for infiltration (which they would suck at since they look like zebras rather than ponies, can't eat, never talk, etc.) or they somehow give you more force from the same resource limits than entirely synthetic forces would. There has never been any mention of massive metal shortages or anything, and the highly sophisticated materials and construction for cybernetic means that they probably aren't much cheaper than an equivalent force of robots even if the biological parts are dirt cheap.

So I was thinking that if you couldn't get a big army through, but you needed a significant force on the other side, maybe you could have a small team sneak in and build your army when you get there. They'd only be able to carry the parts for a few heavy bots, but they could bring along the cybernetic parts for dozens or hundreds, and then install them once they were past the secure perimeter. If the bodies will be there waiting for you, or you have enough Ichor and the know-how to make your own clones, a small team of specialists could carry the 'seeds' for a massive invasion force while bypassing most strategic defenses.
It's certainly not the only time such forces would be useful, but it seems like the most likely given the zebras' goals in the area, where we found the Brood, and several reasonable-but-not-confirmed assumptions I've made about the tech being used.


But yeah, the zebras could totally have developed cyberware on their own, or Steelpony could even be copying them instead of the other way around. The prevalence of alchemic modifications instead of cybernetic ones among zebras is easily explained by the expense, maintenance difficulties, etc. I freely admit that that detail was just me being silly and looking for ways in which a story element that looks like it came out of nowhere could be connected to pretty much everything else in the story. Conspiracy theories ho! Tilt

The second chaos spirit might be plausible, but it doesn't smell right to me... both sides of the war independently capturing god-tier threats, then simultaneously (or within a decade of each other at any rate) coming up with the idea of using their blood for weird magic shit, and developing cloning tech out of that, while no hints of the existence of the second spirit have ever surfaced? Possible in theory, but much less likely than Flim and Flam smelling an opportunity in a new community.

As for their previous use on the traitors... I'll have to go back and check, but I believe that operation was expected to leave no witnesses, so the risk from it would be expected to be minimal; Twist and Shujaa just have terrible timing from the zebra point of view. They needed forces who were absolutely loyal, since they were taking down dissidents on their own side. And every tech needs a test run, preferably under combat conditions, before you hand it to a team of valuable specialists going after a high-profile target. So it doesn't strengthen the theory, but I don't think it destabilizes it.
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