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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:44 pm

I dunno... Stars vs. Zebras? It's kinda been a resounding theme in the story. It happened in the ancient past, it happened in the war, and it is happening now. It is eternal; it's the war that will never be won... at least, not until Project Horizons is activated.
To remove them entirely? I gotta wonder, who would be around to call her "Star Maiden", then? Who would be around to prophesize about her coming and claim her actions as destiny?
We could have done without cyber zebras(I definitely agree with that much, considering zebra alchemy is directly at odds with cyberization), but I definitely think these guys should still exist.
If anything, I wish they could have been introduced sooner, or been otherwise more prevalent, and some other enemies could have been cut.

Like the Brotherhood, maybe. They are, after all, pretty much over and done. Steel Rain turned out to be a patsy and I never really liked him, anyway. Dawn's group of five different factions all struggling over Hoofington, along with Sanguine's efforts, Caprice's previous ones, Red Eye, The Goddess, and just everyone else... there's way too many groups in the hoof, is what I'm saying.
But the Remnant, or more particularly some faction lead by the zealous and resilient zebra kind, are intimately hooked to the entire history of the eater of souls. I think they have significant reason to exist for the sake of resisting Blackjack as well as the Harbingers (and anyone else who wants to open up the city and activate all the terrors within).

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Post by Snipehamster on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:56 pm

swicked wrote:I dunno... Stars vs. Zebras? It's kinda been a resounding theme in the story. It happened in the ancient past, it happened in the war, and it is happening now. It is eternal; it's the war that will never be won... at least, not until Project Horizons is activated.
Stars Versus Zebras is a resounding theme, for sure. But is it one that even comes close to fitting the tone of FoE, FiM or Fallout? I'd argue not. PH already has a number of other central themes (the nature and dangers of power, the importance of friends to catch us when we fall, the need to always strive against the darkness that exists both within and without) which do chime very well with these. More importantly, the story's main narrative wouldn't be significantly harmed by the removal of 'stars vs zebras' (keeping the EoS, of course). The zebra religion was at its best when it was built on half-truths and vaguries (see Sekashi's stories from early on).

To remove them entirely? I gotta wonder, who would be around to call her "Star Maiden", then? Who would be around to prophesize about her coming and claim her actions as destiny?
Nobody. These things only mean anything in the context of the Remnant anyway.

Like the Brotherhood, maybe. They are, after all, pretty much over and done. Steel Rain turned out to be a patsy and I never really liked him, anyway. Dawn's group of five different factions all struggling over Hoofington, along with Sanguine's efforts, Caprice's previous ones, Red Eye, The Goddess, and just everyone else... there's way too many groups in the hoof, is what I'm saying.
I agree. Of those factions though, if one of them had to go I'd cut the Goddess (yes, Lacunae and Psalm too) and perhaps Red Eye as well, with the exception of the outfit he sent Sanguine, rather than the Brotherhood. The minor factions give Hoofington its unique character and the Brotherhood lend the Harbingers their muscle (plus the AJ's rangers, who look to be setting up as a late-game ally and a happy ending for what's left of Stable 99) while the Goddess is a spillover from FoE that mostly contributes scene after scene of filler.

But the Remnant, or more particularly some faction lead by the zealous and resilient zebra kind, are intimately hooked to the entire history of the eater of souls. I think they have significant reason to exist for the sake of resisting Blackjack as well as the Harbingers (and anyone else who wants to open up the city and activate all the terrors within).
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. The EoS doesn't need two entire and distinct armies, and for the most part the zebras' relevance to the EoS was in its fall; the distant past rather than the present.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:11 pm

Snipehamster wrote:From here, I can only see this going one of two ways: either he tries to redeem himself in his father's eyes and finally gets put down by BJ and co., or he becomes Psychoshy II: a betrayed, disillusioned former villain with a lifetime's worth of daddy issues.
…Though a third possibility has just occurred to me: he [REDACTED]
And I just realized that that third possibility only makes sense if one has some only technically publicly released information. So never mind. :)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:13 pm

So... we'd leave ancient zebra learning star magic and bringing about the eater's first rise, and the war against equestria being fueled by star hatred, but all the zebra died and there are no more at present that didn't come from Xenith's vault?
Because I'm confused how Sekashi would be in here without the Remnant.

I dunno, it just sounds weird to me that, after struggling against the eater's second rise since the second dawn of their civilization, the zebra are just dead now or, at the very least, any left just aren't interested in fighting against it anymore.

They knew equestria's response would end with their deaths. The zebra still considered it worth it because I believe they feared something worse than death... the consumption of their souls, and the same for the rest of the life left on the planet.

If the remnant weren't there, then... heh, I guess I'd want a "remnant" of them still around, to carry the tradition of struggling against the eater. To tell BJ the stories of its evil. Maybe a smaller group, like the zodiacs.
In fact, it might have been funny if they HAD been the zodiacs. The zodiacs had all been zebra, if enlightened ones, and had fought against BJ, then become somewhat reluctant allies when the Harbringers showed up (or something).
It'd be additionally funny because they'd be calling themselves constellations ironically, kinda like Batman calling himself that due to his original fear of bats.

It's just that the zebras are so fanatical about being anti-EOS that I don't see the end of the world stopping them.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Snipehamster on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:18 pm

swicked wrote:So... we'd leave ancient zebra learning star magic and bringing about the eater's first rise, and the war against equestria being fueled by star hatred, but all the zebra died and there are no more at present that didn't come from Xenith's vault?
Because I'm confused how Sekashi would be in here without the Remnant.

I dunno, it just sounds weird to me that, after struggling against the eater's second rise since the second dawn of their civilization, the zebra are just dead now or, at the very least, any left just aren't interested in fighting against it anymore.

They knew equestria's response would end with their deaths. The zebra still considered it worth it because I believe they feared something worse than death... the consumption of their souls, and the same for the rest of the life left on the planet.

If the remnant weren't there, then... heh, I guess I'd want a "remnant" of them still around, to carry the tradition of struggling against the eater. To tell BJ the stories of its evil. Maybe a smaller group, like the zodiacs.
In fact, it might have been funny if they HAD been the zodiacs. The zodiacs had all been zebra, if enlightened ones, and had fought against BJ, then become somewhat reluctant allies when the Harbringers showed up.

It's just that the zebras are so fanatical about being anti-EOS that I don't see the end of the world stopping them.
Bear in mind that in the original FoE, the zebras weren't anti-EoS, they were anti-stars (and by extension anti-Luna). The whole Eater of Souls thing is a PH creation, so knowledge of it among post-war zebra survivors could vary immensely.

I'd be perfectly the fine with the Remnant existing as a small faction so that we can have zebra characters and insight, along with EoS exposition. Perhaps Sekashi and Xanthe could have slightly different backstories or even be merged. It's DBZebra, his cyberarmy, and the many layers of unncescessary detail that they add to an already complex plot that I take issue with.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Snipehamster wrote:It's DBZebra, his cyberarmy, and the many layers of unncescessary detail that they add to an already complex plot that I take issue with.
Kay, fair enough.
My only point was that I wouldn't like the entire lack of a zebra presence. They, their knowledge and their perspective, are important when it comes to understanding the big bad.
And in the original FoE, again, they feared for something worse than just their death, clearly. They were intelligent enough to understand MAD and were willing to do anything to prevent the stars from taking the world through their Nightmare Moon.
Second verse, same as the first.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Snipehamster on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:31 pm

swicked wrote:
Snipehamster wrote:It's DBZebra, his cyberarmy, and the many layers of unncescessary detail that they add to an already complex plot that I take issue with.
Kay, fair enough.
My only point was that I wouldn't like the entire lack of a zebra presence. They, their knowledge and their perspective, are important when it comes to understanding the big bad.
And in the original FoE, again, they feared for something worse than just their death, clearly. They were intelligent enough to understand MAD and were willing to do anything to prevent the stars from taking the world through their Nightmare Moon.
Second verse, same as the first.
Completely agreed.

Personally I didn't like the whole zebra religion thing in FoE, but I'm not exactly in a position to edit for Kkat. And generally, I do like the additions Somber's made to the universe's cosmology. The relationship between stars and souls, etc.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:11 pm

I think the tank shot should have exploded on the legate on contact, btw. The catching it, then it exploding seconds later, was obnoxious.

I wish BJ had had a silver bullet, then, too. I just imagine her getting her shooty look, smiling, then loading her gun.
Legate: ...now you're going to fire at me with a pistol? Your tank didn't even scratch me.
Blackjack: What can I say? I feel lucky.

I imagine he still would have reversed time and pulled himself back together after being reduced to nothing whatsoever, but it would have been funny.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:20 pm

Snipehamster wrote:There's a big, big jump between conjuring tea (which I would imagine any suitably skilled and prepared illusionist could do irl anyway) and shrugging off being shot, blown up and gutted.
And there's a big jump between levitating teakettles and power-lifting a building-sized bear. It's only a quantitative change, though, not a qualitative one. My point was that Zecora conjuring tea could be read as low-grade elementalism. Maybe she's just Lyra to the Legate's Twilight Sparkle. The invulnerability, on the other hoof, is honestly nothing we haven't seen before. We've seen at least three different flavors of regenerator between FOE and PH, and the enhanced armor isn't even as indestructable as the soul-jar suit that took BJ's leg in Hightower. Sure, there's a question of "How did he do that?", but I'd love it if everyone would let Somber finish the story arc before declaring it Ruined Forever.

By the way, has anyone yet considered that sucking the blood back into his wound might be an application of waterbending? Just tossing it out there.

Snipehamster wrote:More to the point, whether or not one can rationalize the Legate's powers in-universe there's still the issue of justifying them from a meta perspective.

At this point, I've more or less stopped caring about the characters because their actions no longer have consequences besides angst and the occasional bereavement or mutilation (which rarely has a long term effect). The uber-powerful Legate never registers as dramatic or a credible threat because in order to do so he'd need to seriously shake up the status quo. Something well-established as bloody hard to do.
That kind of thinking is what killed Wash in Serenity. Applejacks How many mutilations per chapter do we need to hit, exactly? I'll admit that, yes, I didn't expect anyone to get hurt by the Legate simply because he was so far beyond the party that he obviously could have obliterated them all in moments if that's what he was after. But are you seriously telling me you weren't worried that Sunset would get away with kidnapping Glory? I sure was.

Sindri wrote:The Legate isn't something tossed in because the writers didn't know what to do next and they refused to let the series die.
I don't have enough upvotes for this.

Caoimhe wrote:Seeing how Somber tends to internalize criticism, not a lot of these complaints are presented in ways helpful to him.
This. I don't normally ask people I disagree with to shut up, but at this point can we consider the complaints registered and let it drop? I don't want to see Somber change course just to suit the complainers.

Somber, don't doubt yourself. Just stick to your plans and keep going. You haven't failed us so far, and I don't believe that you're going to.

Snipehamster wrote:Following that, once the story's done, I'd invite harsh criticism, suggestions and discussion with an eye to carrying out Past Sins-esque edits to address any major issues left over.
I'd like to point out that Past Sins' edits, while they fixed some issues, also broke some important emotional arcs and destroyed more than one plot point.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:49 pm

Was there ever any discussion on what type of "healing" the legate is doing, though?
Because it doesn't look like healing. The blood jumped right back up into his neck. Even if he has elemental control of liquids it seems kinda iffy that he'd go and stuff all the blood back in there.

It's more like reversing time or something, I thought.

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Post by SilentCarto on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Moodyman90 wrote:While I have no authority or power to enforce this, I request that we just drop the current discussions. There are those of us here who enjoyed the last chapter and there are those who didn't, up to and including members of the brushing team and I think we can agree on that.
Yeah, agreed. I'm dropping it as of now.

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What I mean is, don't pay attention to anything 4chan has to say. That'd be silly.
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swicked wrote:I dunno... Stars vs. Zebras? It's kinda been a resounding theme in the story. It happened in the ancient past, it happened in the war, and it is happening now. It is eternal; it's the war that will never be won... at least, not until Project Horizons is activated.
On this subject, I want to note that PH is responsible for restoring my faith in the FOE universe. FOE kind of left it on the note of Cthuluesque monstrosities dwelling between the stars, whispering terrible secrets to those who would listen. PH acknowledges that they exist, but adds an equally powerful force for life and hope in opposition to them.

The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins—but in the heart of its strength lies weakness:
One lone candle is enough to hold it back.

--Matthew Stover, Revenge of the Sith novelization


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:57 pm

swicked wrote:Was there ever any discussion on what type of "healing" the legate is doing, though?
Because it doesn't look like healing. The blood jumped right back up into his neck. Even if he has elemental control of liquids it seems kinda iffy that he'd go and stuff all the blood back in there.

It's more like reversing time or something, I thought.
It kinda looked like his blood "knew" where it was supposed to be, to me. Like if you pull two magnets apart and they just snap right back together. There was definitely some healing/regen going on there too, but when you get right down to it, if the things you cut apart with a sword don't fall away from each other, there's not actually that much damage going on...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Do you think he's alive? Or a really sophisticated robot?

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:11 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
swicked wrote:Was there ever any discussion on what type of "healing" the legate is doing, though?
Because it doesn't look like healing. The blood jumped right back up into his neck. Even if he has elemental control of liquids it seems kinda iffy that he'd go and stuff all the blood back in there.

It's more like reversing time or something, I thought.
It kinda looked like his blood "knew" where it was supposed to be, to me. Like if you pull two magnets apart and they just snap right back together. There was definitely some healing/regen going on there too, but when you get right down to it, if the things you cut apart with a sword don't fall away from each other, there's not actually that much damage going on...

To explain it another way: Think of it like the Legate's a machine with a repair talisman. Instead of a repair talisman that rebuilds a broken machine out of a reserve of spare parts, such as how BJ's cyborg implants repair themselves, this talisman pulls the pieces back together like they've never been damaged in the first place. (I think we saw MEGA DEUS do the latter? I know we've seen examples before but I can't think of any right now.) Instead of the usual flavor of healing magic that has the body grow back, the Legate's got a super-crazy advanced spell thamaturgical effect that treats it like a picture puzzle: Insert the pieces in the right slot and everything's peachy.

SilentCarto wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Seeing how Somber tends to
internalize criticism, not a lot of these complaints are presented in
ways helpful to him.
This. I don't normally ask people I
disagree with to shut up, but at this point can we consider the
complaints registered and let it drop? I don't want to see Somber change
course just to suit the complainers.
Signal boost here. That conversation's spiraling into a circle that goes absolutely nowhere.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Retl on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:33 pm

Snipehamster wrote:On the other hand, I think it kinda calls attention to the fact that Lancer's entire role in the story so far (since Ch.9) has been limited to:
1. Present a challenging foe for BJ (She has plenty already).
2. Make BJ's life miserable for no particular reason (She's suicidally miserable without him).
3. Give tiny snippets of distant foreshadowing.

He serves as a early indicator for the reader that not everyone who joins and helps Blackjack is actually aligned with Blackjack's goals, and installs a bit more distrust of Zebras in the reader. That may be considered foreshadowing, though.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by StoneSlinger88 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:18 pm

My brain is processing something... His healing powers... Are something we've seen before... in FiM...

Timberwolves. They can get smashed apart and pulled back together. Perhaps the zebra found a way to apply the same healing mechanics into a talisman?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:38 pm

Another thing that came up in my review (working on editing and formatting it), what was up with the exchange regarding the phoenix talisman? I'd expect BJ to yell out that the Legate couldn't possibly have one, but then he knew what is was and, apparently, had prevented BJ from getting one of her own?

What? Where did I miss this? When were they part of that sub-plot?

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Post by Moodyman90 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:43 pm

Details like the actual chapter number and the name of the place escape me right now but it was where Blackjack ended up throwing up glass over that poor zebra. The zebra where there looking for the phoenix talisman because they didn't know it was passed onto Twist during the war and is now in Rampage.

Oh god my brain is failing. I'm forgetting names....
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:47 pm

Re: Timberwolf DBZebra
That would be hilarious, if he got blown up, possibly by MegaDeus, then just started reattaching himself via talisman. Then in a later (part of the?) fight, It happens again, but Blackjack jams something in to mess with the reattachment process. Also, I'm taking a liking to call him DBZebra for some odd reason.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by jacky2734 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:23 am

I just realized something really nasty that might happen.

There was a statement somewhere in one chapter along the line that when the virus that causes the Cannibal Raiders infected the cooking pot of a zebra tribe, that pot would remain infected, even after the most thorough cleaning.

The entire food processing plant of 99 was infected with that virus. If the AJ Rangers get that up and running and use it, than we could be looking at Power Armor Toting Cannibal Raiders.


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Post by Stringtheory on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:26 am

jacky2734 wrote:I just realized something really nasty that might happen.

There was a statement somewhere in one chapter along the line that when the virus that causes the Cannibal Raiders infected the cooking pot of a zebra tribe, that pot would remain infected, even after the most thorough cleaning.

The entire food processing plant of 99 was infected with that virus. If the AJ Rangers get that up and running an use it, than we could be looking at Power Armor Toting Cannibal Raiders.
so does that mean BJ will have to return yet again to completely torch/melt the place?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by jacky2734 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:29 am

stringtheory wrote:
jacky2734 wrote:I just realized something really nasty that might happen.

There was a statement somewhere in one chapter along the line that when the virus that causes the Cannibal Raiders infected the cooking pot of a zebra tribe, that pot would remain infected, even after the most thorough cleaning.

The entire food processing plant of 99 was infected with that virus. If the AJ Rangers get that up and running an use it, than we could be looking at Power Armor Toting Cannibal Raiders.
so does that mean BJ will have to return yet again to completely torch/melt the place?
That depends. do you think Somber would be willing to do that to Blackjack?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:35 am

Re: Too many factions

Keep in mind that Hoofington is basically Pony New York (don't Manehattan me). I'm assuming that it covers a similar (if not larger) land area and was relatively densely populated. It's entirely possible for so many damn factions to form post-war given the amount of territory that can be controlled. Zebras and dogs and everyone else really add to the 'melting pot' allegories as well. Hell, you could call the zeebs the American Indians of Pony New York whose land was swindled and are now back to do something about it.

If I had any requests (and maybe it's because the way my female brain works), I'd like a little more detail into what exactly the various settings look like. I can't help but imagine every place BJ and crew wander into is either sparse as fuck desert or dense buildings around a main street. Maybe I'm just being weird but sometimes the brief area descriptions don't cut it always for me. I had a little trouble figuring out how 'underground' we went in the last chapter and there was a part where it seemed like Our Heroes were far away observing everything going on in the base and then right there.


Edit: Didn't word reach the Rangers at 99 not to fuck with the food thing?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:44 am

swicked wrote:Do you think he's alive? Or a really sophisticated robot?
Oh, definitely alive. But the guy's got talismans carved into his freaking teeth. I wouldn't be shocked if one of them somewhere on or in him said, "Hey blood, you're supposed to be inside me. Stay there."

Derpmind wrote:To explain it another way: Think of it like the Legate's a machine with a repair talisman. Instead of a repair talisman that rebuilds a broken machine out of a reserve of spare parts, such as how BJ's cyborg implants repair themselves, this talisman pulls the pieces back together like they've never been damaged in the first place. (I think we saw MEGA DEUS do the latter? I know we've seen examples before but I can't think of any right now.) Instead of the usual flavor of healing magic that has the body grow back, the Legate's got a super-crazy advanced spell thamaturgical effect that treats it like a picture puzzle: Insert the pieces in the right slot and everything's peachy.
Something like that, yes. All equipment fitted with repair talismans uses existing material wherever possible and just fills in the gaps with new metal. We saw Steelhooves' armor do that too.

jacky2734 wrote:I just realized something really nasty that might happen.

There was a statement somewhere in one chapter along the line that when the virus that causes the Cannibal Raiders infected the cooking pot of a zebra tribe, that pot would remain infected, even after the most thorough cleaning.

The entire food processing plant of 99 was infected with that virus. If the AJ Rangers get that up and running and use it, than we could be looking at Power Armor Toting Cannibal Raiders.
Well, the Rangers were warned about the virus. I would assume they would check everything before consuming it, considering the consequences.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Stringtheory on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:46 am

Caoimhe wrote:If I had any requests (and maybe it's because the way my female brain works), I'd like a little more detail into what exactly the various settings look like. I can't help but imagine every place BJ and crew wander into is either sparse as fuck desert or dense buildings around a main street. Maybe I'm just being weird but sometimes the brief area descriptions don't cut it always for me. I had a little trouble figuring out how 'underground' we went in the last chapter and there was a part where it seemed like Our Heroes were far away observing everything going on in the base and then right there.
I have to agree with this (and I'm not female), it does seem in hindsight that the environments don't seem very detailed, I have that same empty desert or dense town placeholder images often playing through my head, that last chapter was confusing setting wise
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by jacky2734 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:00 am

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Well, the Rangers were warned about the virus. I would assume they would check everything before consuming it, considering the consequences.
That's the thing though. They were warned that it had been infected, but they were never warned that there might not be a way to remove the virus from the system. The fact that we haven't heard anything from The AJ Rangers since Blackjack told them about 99 also doesn't bode well.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:20 am

Moodyman90 wrote:Details like the actual chapter number and the name of the place escape me right now but it was where Blackjack ended up throwing up glass over that poor zebra. The zebra where there looking for the phoenix talisman because they didn't know it was passed onto Twist during the war and is now in Rampage.

Oh god my brain is failing. I'm forgetting names....

Chapter 42 - Reaper, closer to the end. They were at Yellow River Detainment Camp. Zebra was nameless.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:48 am

SilentCarto wrote:
swicked wrote:Do you think he's alive? Or a really sophisticated robot?
Oh, definitely alive. But the guy's got talismans carved into his freaking teeth. I wouldn't be shocked if one of them somewhere on or in him said, "Hey blood, you're supposed to be inside me. Stay there."
I just dunno if we are looking at ultimate levels of zebra alchemy or ultimate levels of zebra cyberization.
Given this guy leads an army of cyber zebra, I just got this vibe that his powers are manufactured. Not a magician or anything, but not outright magic. If they were less over-the-top, sure, I'd take talismans, but... they were WAY over-the-top. That many talismans every-freaking-where strikes me as a smoke screen.
And, as others have said, the way he regenerated... very repair talisman-y.
Maybe his ability to shut down Blackjack was due to her being mostly cybernetic. She's been dropped by EMP before, I think. Maybe the rock columns blown up were some similar manipulation. They were on zebra home turf (that the enclave had recently stolen) so he is familiar with the ground there... His ability to stand under lightning bolts, let alone call them down (the pegasi have wards up there that electrify anyone that gets near cloud level, so maybe a manipulation of that?). His ability to stop tank shells... there had to be some sort of counteracting force, there. He had to be heavy or pushing back with some sort of field. He doesn't run into anything, he just stops it with his hooves to the ground.

Something technomagical with magnetic fields, is all I'm saying.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Snipehamster on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:14 am

While I'm not able to keep up a meaningful conversation right now (posting on my phone), I really don't appreciate being told to (paraphrased) shut up and stop complaining, Silentcarto. I am substantiating my criticisms and offering suggestions with the intention of improving things.

In addition, I don't think comparing the Legate's regeneration to waterbending helps him at all.

Wash's death, appropriate or not, hit hard and maintained the scene's tension and drama by demonstrating that nobody was safe. Not every death needs to be a drawn-out, angsty, meaningful affair. Likewise, if characters shrug off their suffering over and over again that suffering becomes gratuitous and stale.

I didn't really expect Sunset to get away with Glory. There's far too much going on to cram in a 'damsel in distress' subplot at this point.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Harmony Ltd. on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:18 am

SilentCarto wrote:...To paraphrase and reformat per Ray Bradbury...
I think you mean George Orwell. Applebloom
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