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Post by CamoBadger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:11 pm

Ironmonger wrote:You'd know better than I would.

Which brings the question of how the hell am I two years off?! o_o
Because it's a slow process, and I think there has been an issue involving it. Something about the army cancelling the order, then ordering the newer models instead for something. What I do know is that the SCAR-L is also a candidate to replace the M4 as our Carbine, along with the ACR, newer design M4, and some other things nobody's heard of.

@Frost: All I know is that burst and auto can suck my *buy some apples*. With burst you can get one shot on target, and the other two do what they want. Auto, pretty much the same depending on what weapon you're using, and how familiar you are with the recoil (we're talking rifles and carbines here, not machine guns or SMG's). I'd rather just stick with semi-auto, since I can get every shot from a 30 round magazine out within 15-20 seconds and still keep it on target (bragging? Me? Nah.)

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:16 pm

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Ironmonger wrote:You'd know better than I would.

Which brings the question of how the hell am I two years off?! o_o
Because it's a slow process, and I think there has been an issue involving it. Something about the army cancelling the order, then ordering the newer models instead for something. What I do know is that the SCAR-L is also a candidate to replace the M4 as our Carbine, along with the ACR, newer design M4, and some other things nobody's heard of.

@Frost: All I know is that burst and auto can suck my *buy some apples*. With burst you can get one shot on target, and the other two do what they want. Auto, pretty much the same depending on what weapon you're using, and how familiar you are with the recoil (we're talking rifles and carbines here, not machine guns or SMG's). I'd rather just stick with semi-auto, since I can get every shot from a 30 round magazine out within 15-20 seconds and still keep it on target (bragging? Me? Nah.)

Oh, I agree about the semi-auto thing. Mostly, the full-auto comes in handy in CQB, I believe. According to my research (you'd know better than I) the burst-fire affects the rifle in semi-auto, and the trigger weight can vary by as much as 6 N due to it.
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Post by CamoBadger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:21 pm

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Ironmonger wrote:You'd know better than I would.

Which brings the question of how the hell am I two years off?! o_o
Because it's a slow process, and I think there has been an issue involving it. Something about the army cancelling the order, then ordering the newer models instead for something. What I do know is that the SCAR-L is also a candidate to replace the M4 as our Carbine, along with the ACR, newer design M4, and some other things nobody's heard of.

@Frost: All I know is that burst and auto can suck my *buy some apples*. With burst you can get one shot on target, and the other two do what they want. Auto, pretty much the same depending on what weapon you're using, and how familiar you are with the recoil (we're talking rifles and carbines here, not machine guns or SMG's). I'd rather just stick with semi-auto, since I can get every shot from a 30 round magazine out within 15-20 seconds and still keep it on target (bragging? Me? Nah.)

Oh, I agree about the semi-auto thing. Mostly, the full-auto comes in handy in CQB, I believe. According to my research (you'd know better than I) the burst-fire affects the rifle in semi-auto, and the trigger weight can vary by as much as 6 N due to it.
It does somewhat, in that the trigger is forced to have 3 different pulls in semi because of the burst action. It sounds horrible, but when you use that weapon every day, your muscle memory adjusts for each pull and you learn to tell which one it is as soon as you put your finger on the trigger.

auto is pretty good for CQB, but I still use semi because it's what I'm used to, and I've learned to shoot very fast with it. Probably because I paintball a lot so I'm used to pulling the trigger quickly to put more rounds down range.

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:29 pm

Is it true that the Army uses paintball for Infantry training?
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Post by CamoBadger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:55 pm

Yeah, used it for CQB before I deployed.

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:03 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Yeah, used it for CQB before I deployed.

Where were you deployed?
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Post by CamoBadger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:09 pm

Farah province in Afghanistan.

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:15 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Farah province in Afghanistan.

And you're back now, correct?
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Post by CamoBadger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:19 pm

Yup. Got back in May.

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:21 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Yup. Got back in May.

Well, thanks for your service. I'm talking to a recruiter next week and will likely ship off to Basic next summer.
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Post by Ironmonger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:52 pm

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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:31 pm

Any of you have a favorite handgun or one that interests you in particular? I've got a decent but of range time with Glocks, but I was also impressed when I fired a USP and according to my brother, the Sig P226 is also a nice gun (I just know them as "holy shit, this gun costs how much?")
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Post by Ketchup on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:54 pm

Mister Frost wrote:Any of you have a favorite handgun or one that interests you in particular? I've got a decent but of range time with Glocks, but I was also impressed when I fired a USP and according to my brother, the Sig P226 is also a nice gun (I just know them as "holy shit, this gun costs how much?")
The Canadian Armed Forces use the P226 as their service pistol.

I suppose the only handguns I'm particularly interested in are the M1911(for historical value) and FN Five-Seven(Because they fire an interesting caliber and apparently shoot well).
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Post by Ironmonger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:00 pm

The Five-Seven is great for penetrating light armor and has a huge magazine but it lacks stopping power. As far as I know the pistol is sold only to law enforcement and military ops but someone feel free to correct me.

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Post by Ketchup on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:03 pm

It's available to the public, and it's lethal potential is theoretically very good because it creates large wound cavities.
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Post by Frost on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:08 pm

Problem being that the ammo is quite expensive compared to most service pistol rands, and the wounding capacity is similar in the way it behaves to the 5.56*45: it either stays straight and goes through with little wounding, or tumbles and rips chunks out.

The U.S. Army uses the M9, an adapted version of the Beretta M92, and I've heard a lot of good things about it, after they worked out some initial kinks of an explodey nature.
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Post by Ironmonger on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:23 pm

I'd like to have a .357 magnum semi-automatic. Unfortunately the only ones I've found are the Deagle and Coonan .357 1911. Kel-Tec makes a .22 magnum pistol but I don't have a clue in the world what that would do.

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:13 am

Take a look at the M&P line from Smith and Wesson. They've got some excellent semi-auto .357's [link]

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:18 am

CamoBadger wrote:Take a look at the M&P line from Smith and Wesson. They've got some excellent semi-auto .357's [link]

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:21 am

Indeed. The compact is the model I plan to buy once I get my concealed carry, naturally with tritium sights. Such beautiful pistols.

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:25 am

If I correctly understand what I read on the .357 SIG, that is a lot of firepower for a compact weapon. Just freaking beautiful.

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:27 am

Oh yes, beautiful round for a beautiful gun.

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:32 am

I had seen the .357 SIG pistols in the past but I've been told ammo is hard to come across and possibly pricey. I hope that isn't true because it essentially makes the Desert Eagle completely obsolete. The only reason I even liked that obese weapon was because of the firepower.

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:37 am

I couldn't speak for how finding that ammo is where you live, sorry about that. I only know Colorado stuff for guns, and finding any kind of ammo you want here is possible and very easy with the number of gun stores, sporting goods stores, hunting stores, and gun shows we have.

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:39 am

I was talking in general. After my birthday I'm going to have to go huntin' around at the local gun shops. Found me a Kar98 once. Spike

An odd occurrence: Frost and I went to a gun show up in Sharonville, I found an Arquebus of all things.

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:43 am

Dafuq? Why would anyone sell that? I realize muzzle loaders are a pain in the ass, but if you know how to use it they look like a ton of fun for a range. Plus everyone there will drool as they stare at you and your marvelous piece of history

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:46 am

In my head I'm playing out a home defense situation.

"Get out of my house!"
*intruder reaches for a knife*
"Touch that knife and I'll drop you! Give me a minute here..." *turns the arquebus upright and pours powder in*
"Just give a minute and a half" *rams powder down the barrel*
"...Are you done yet-"
"Just 20 seconds!" *takes stick and rams a round down the barrel*

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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:49 am

GAWD! STOP BEING SUCH AN IMPATIENT ROBBER! CAN'T YOU SEE I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING?!

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Post by Ironmonger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:52 am

"Okay you can go back to being a robber now"
*draws knife*
"Go to hell!" *click* "Ah damnit..." *click click click* "Damnit the match isn't working, hold on..."
"Ugh..."
"Just hang on now it won't be long!" *matchlock clicking pathetically*
*robber pulls out a lighter* "Need a light?"
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Post by CamoBadger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:55 am

If I ever had someone threaten me with a muzzleloader, I would probably just drop my knife or gun and die from laughing before they finished loading.

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