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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:37 pm

CannonFodder wrote:
I just thought of how Blackjack could kill the eater. Use a moon rock.
Well, yes. I think that was the obvious conclusion the first time we found out how violently starmetal and moonrock reacted. But I don't think it's the right answer. It wouldn't be enough. You're gonna either shatter the thing and infect everywhere with starmetal or just push the rock around. I think that's where we're going though; stick a moonrock slug under it and use the blast to launch the eater right off the planet.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Cptadder on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:55 pm

FeatherDust wrote:
CannonFodder wrote:
I just thought of how Blackjack could kill the eater. Use a moon rock.
Well, yes. I think that was the obvious conclusion the first time we found out how violently starmetal and moonrock reacted. But I don't think it's the right answer. It wouldn't be enough. You're gonna either shatter the thing and infect everywhere with starmetal or just push the rock around. I think that's where we're going though; stick a moonrock slug under it and use the blast to launch the eater right off the planet.
The problem with that is the demonstrated force. We assume the Eater is starmetal and assuming you can get a hold of a big enough chunk of moon rock the problem is the resulting force might be planet cracking big.

The back of the napkin calculations I ran when we saw the first chunk reaction was...

Something like a gram of moonstone reacting with a similar sized chunk of star metal, and produced a force I'd equate to about eight pounds of tnt (I've seen explosion sizes of many sized amounts) and the fact Blackjack was tossed back, shredded door and the like told me between three to eight pounds of tnt depending on shaping of the explosion, size it was omnidirectional I'm assuming eight pound tnt explosion

1 Gram of TNT releases 4184 J of bang
Meaning
1 Gram of Soul metal/Moonstone reaction produce the equivalent of... 3624 grams in eight pounds 4184 J per gram or 13,656,576 J of kaboom.

So assuming you had a ten pound reaction of moonstone that would be 4530 grams times 13,656,576 or... 61,864,289,280, yes that's sixty one billion plus joules of energy or to put it another way that's 14 tons of explosive force. So moonstone is a 1 pounds per 1400 pounds of explosives ratio. Meaning a ton of the stuff would be in the kilotons and the Eater is bigger than a ton, a ton is car. The eater is much bigger than a car.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

Season 3 Spoilers:

The black book at the end is less "OMG" and more "Heh, that's kinda funny." Lots of important books are black.
That said, from the Princesses' conversation (Yay, private conversation between princesses!) it sounds like Alicorn Twilight just became 20% more likely.

I was indeed pretty disappointed that Sombra just floated around and hissed "crysssstal" a lot. I'm hoping, considering the hints we've seen about Trixie, that he's going to be a recurring villain this season -- his horn did visibly fly offscreen intact, so I wouldn't be absolutely shocked to see somepony else using shadow magic.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CannonFodder on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:53 pm

Cptadder wrote:
FeatherDust wrote:
CannonFodder wrote:
I just thought of how Blackjack could kill the eater. Use a moon rock.
Well, yes. I think that was the obvious conclusion the first time we found out how violently starmetal and moonrock reacted. But I don't think it's the right answer. It wouldn't be enough. You're gonna either shatter the thing and infect everywhere with starmetal or just push the rock around. I think that's where we're going though; stick a moonrock slug under it and use the blast to launch the eater right off the planet.
The problem with that is the demonstrated force. We assume the Eater is starmetal and assuming you can get a hold of a big enough chunk of moon rock the problem is the resulting force might be planet cracking big.

The back of the napkin calculations I ran when we saw the first chunk reaction was...

Something like a gram of moonstone reacting with a similar sized chunk of star metal, and produced a force I'd equate to about eight pounds of tnt (I've seen explosion sizes of many sized amounts) and the fact Blackjack was tossed back, shredded door and the like told me between three to eight pounds of tnt depending on shaping of the explosion, size it was omnidirectional I'm assuming eight pound tnt explosion

1 Gram of TNT releases 4184 J of bang
Meaning
1 Gram of Soul metal/Moonstone reaction produce the equivalent of... 3624 grams in eight pounds 4184 J per gram or 13,656,576 J of kaboom.

So assuming you had a ten pound reaction of moonstone that would be 4530 grams times 13,656,576 or... 61,864,289,280, yes that's sixty one billion plus joules of energy or to put it another way that's 14 tons of explosive force. So moonstone is a 1 pounds per 1400 pounds of explosives ratio. Meaning a ton of the stuff would be in the kilotons and the Eater is bigger than a ton, a ton is car. The eater is much bigger than a car.
So it would be larger than a nuclear explosion, but probably wouldn't kill the eater?

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:18 pm

SilentCarto wrote:Zebrica (or whatver you want to call it)
I've got their proper name as "the Pax Roamana" (and yes, I know that the Pax Romana was a time period rather than an area, but I think that it works here). On a related note, I've also got Roam's native name being Roama, since "Roam" doesn't decline ("Roma" was also the Roman name for what we now call Rome (actually, though, I'm not sure what the Italians call it)).

SilentCarto wrote:I think that was mostly my own suppositions and extrapolations from Kkat's comments. But I'm glad to hear it's your headcanon now.
Some groups may also have adopted a low-density nomadic lifestyle instead, but I imagine that that's rarer. Even most of the Central tribes that used to live that way probably couldn't cope with the more dangerous world.

Of course, my headcanon also has the Alliance working on reconnecting and recolonizing, but there's a lot of work to do.

Silentcarto wrote:Yeah, me too. It irked me a tiny bit that his shadow step doesn't count as teleportation, but aside from that I thought he was okay.
When that security system was designed, batponies, to the extent that they were known to exist at all, were the personally trusted servants of Luna. Even if the designer thought of them and knew enough about how their magic worked to add it into the system, it was probably deemed to be unnecessary.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:24 pm

Roma is what the Italians call Rome, but I think you're correct about the Latin version as well.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Cptadder on Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:59 pm

CannonFodder wrote:
So it would be larger than a nuclear explosion, but probably wouldn't kill the eater?
Pound per pound it's much weaker than a nuke, a nuke is I believe roughly twenty times more energetic but we don't build two hundred ton nuclear bombs we build four ton bombs. But lets assume the eater is big, lets say empire state building big, a simple assumption that the Eater being made of star metal as a fallen star is rather big. Not ten kilometer in size big but say a few hundred meters in size. I'm counting total mass, I'm assuming some big vaguely spherical object Lavos like. Lets say that object weighs as much as something big... hmm the Empire State building is 365k tons but that's a little big.... lets round way down and say the Eater weights 50,00 metric tons. In all likelihood it could be much bigger... best ask Somber how big he imagines the eater to be/

How many grams in a metric ton? 1,000,000 Grams, man the Metric system is so much easier.... Okay one million grams times fifty thousand tons....1,000,000 x 50,000 or 50,000,000,000 that's fifty billion grams. But we are not talking tnt here we are talking Moonstone to Soulsteel conversion which is 13,656,576 per gram meaning 50 billion times that or 682,828,800,000,000,000 or 682 and change Quadrillion joules which is 163 megatons.

To put it another way that's 14.7 kilometers of 10 Psi overpressure, 10 PSI is enough for 95% causalities and total destruction of all non steel reinforced structures. Everything inside 40 kilometers would be on fire and everything inside 8 kilometers would be exposed to over 500 rems of radiation is enough for death within days assuming the blast wave does not get you. All of these are nuclear weapon effects, the Moonstone/Star metal reaction was pure blast force, but counting equivalence we can assume a two kilometer hole with a fourteen kilometer blast area.

TL:DR, if the eater is at the center of Hoofington and is detonated then most of Hoofington is gone, a bigger that 50k ton Eater means that the explosion could reach the gigaton level. As it is that big of an explosive that deep underground would at least result in massive Earth quakes. Final note, that sized eater might be to small by one or two full magnitudes meaning the explosion might be in the gigaton or Teraton range.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:45 pm

If Blackjack does get alicorned, I demand she get Tactical Cadence Missled by Rampage.


Sharmour being left-hoofed is now canon.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:06 pm

Caoimhe wrote:If Blackjack does get alicorned, I demand she get Tactical Cadence Missled by Rampage.


Sharmour being left-hoofed is now canon.

I am ok with this.

(Actually I'm quite a bit more than ok with this, but my friends have informed me that that is apparently my signature response)

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:30 pm

17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:37 pm

Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

I really hope this means he found something that's helping.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:41 pm

Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

I really hope this means he found something that's helping.
Seconded. Based on what we're hearing now vs. what we were hearing before, though, it seems likely.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ketchup on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:45 pm

Fantastic news, I say. Good for him.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CannonFodder on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:57 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

I really hope this means he found something that's helping.
Seconded. Based on what we're hearing now vs. what we were hearing before, though, it seems likely.
That's awesome news. Here's hoping Somber gets to feeling better.

Also, squee this is awesome news.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Luminous Lead on Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:53 am

Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

I really hope this means he found something that's helping.

I'm not sure it's my place to ask, but what's been going on?


And as a note to the rest of the guys debating about how to kill the eater. Why drop the moon on the eater, when you can drop the eater on the moon?

-Enough rock to sustain the reaction (being the SOURCE of all moonrocks)
-Containment solved by the vacuum of space

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ironmonger on Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:57 am

But then night time becomes wonky because you just took a chunk out of the moon.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:06 am

Luminous Lead wrote:
Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!

EEeeeee!!!

I really hope this means he found something that's helping.

I'm not sure it's my place to ask, but what's been going on?


And as a note to the rest of the guys debating about how to kill the eater. Why drop the moon on the eater, when you can drop the eater on the moon?

-Enough rock to sustain the reaction (being the SOURCE of all moonrocks)
-Containment solved by the vacuum of space

Hi there!
As for what's been going on with Somber, He recently got a new job teaching over at Fallon, NV. He also is on some type of Antidepressants that has apparently been causing creativity-block in general, and the elections haven't been helping with stress. (Correct me if I'm wrong) So we're kinda happy that he's able to work on the recent chapter.

As for the Moon thing, that's what we've speculated Project Horizons does, had Blackjack activated it. Still, with the size of the explosion for just a fragment of moonstone and EoS being able to take down buildings/capital ships, one can only imagine the size the whole bloody thing will cause if it contacts the moon.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Luminous Lead on Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:52 am

OneMoreDaySK wrote:

Hi there!
As for what's been going on with Somber, He recently got a new job teaching over at Fallon, NV. He also is on some type of Antidepressants that has apparently been causing creativity-block in general, and the elections haven't been helping with stress. (Correct me if I'm wrong) So we're kinda happy that he's able to work on the recent chapter.

As for the Moon thing, that's what we've speculated Project Horizons does, had Blackjack activated it. Still, with the size of the explosion for just a fragment of moonstone and EoS being able to take down buildings/capital ships, one can only imagine the size the whole bloody thing will cause if it contacts the moon.

Yeah, I've been scavenging the topic for information. Cptadder's deca-page summations have been incredibly helpful in regards to finding it. Taking meds that deliberately upset one's brain chemistry (even to help stabilize it) has got to be rough. Glad to hear he seems to be on the mend.

As for the moon, well... it's not as if Luna would miss it, right? Just make sure it doesn't land on the dark side of the moon. Last thing we need is a repeat of Majora's mask.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:55 am

O. Hinds wrote:
Vergil wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:17:00 <%Somber> 20p in on 52!
EEeeeee!!!
I
really hope this means he found something that's
helping.
Seconded. Based on what we're hearing now vs. what we
were hearing before, though, it seems likely.
Very much agreed, I do hope this means Somber is doing any better.

OneMoreDaySK wrote:So beautiful. Blackjack even dyed her mane... Or
washed out her red highlights? Really hope they give Octi back to her ifwhen she retires.
The red is still there, I just made it a really soft highlight instead of the usual sharply defined streaks. Seems like it was a mistake though.
OneMoreDaySK wrote:*looks left* *looks right* Whew, Adder isn't here. *nabs Ryx's drawing*
Really pretty. Gonna see what happens it one applies show-style art to it, maybe even set it as an ava-*hears Adder with a Spongebob-esque laugh* *runs*
O...kay?

CannonFodder wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:I could really see that as a fitting epilogue: Blackjack accepts back Octavia after a Crusaders speech along the lines of "You did so much for us, let us just do something for you" after refusing a bunch of times.
Okay, Blackjack becoming a music pony after the dust is settled and hoofington calms down would be a pretty good epilogue.
If there does end up being a happy ending, I definitely hope something along these lines happens, it would be really nice, after everything Blackjack's been through.

Ketchup wrote:That is awesome. The color of her mane (which I really
like, by the way) goes well with the instrument's.
Thank you, sir.

SilentCarto wrote:Yeah, me too. It irked me a tiny bit that his
shadow step doesn't count as teleportation, but aside from that I
thought he was okay.

By the way, sorry I didn't comment on the
Octyjack pic yet -- I've been running behind yet again. The bow tie
makes it hard to remember that's BJ.
Well, back in second or third edition Dungeons and Dragons, there were 3 different types of special abilities that characters could have: natural, supernatual, and extraordinary, I believe. And depending on what type of ability it was, it would react differently when put under an antimagic field. So to me it's very easily possible to think of the shadow step as a different type of teleportation.
And that's okay, a lot of people have been having that problem, apparently.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CannonFodder on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:19 am

WavemasterRyx wrote:If there does end up being a happy ending, I definitely hope something along these lines happens, it would be really nice, after everything Blackjack's been through.
What's more is that with how much she's done if she actually manages to get rid of the eater of souls then nopony would dare cause any trouble in hoofington. She already has a reputation for not only being a reaper, but blowing up a battleship, a tank, a super sentinel and the prison. The enclave already are afraid of her and even though she's classified as a terrorist she is on their, "you'd have to be stupid to attack her" list. If she does somehow kill the eater then probably even ponies with raider disease would run.

What I'm getting at is with the reputation Blackjack is getting if she does survive and gets rid of the eater nopony would be stupid enough to try anything.
OneMoreDaySK wrote:As for the Moon thing, that's what we've
speculated Project Horizons does, had Blackjack activated it. Still,
with the size of the explosion for just a fragment of moonstone and EoS
being able to take down buildings/capital ships, one can only imagine
the size the whole bloody thing will cause if it contacts the
moon.
Probably why Goldenblood didn't activate it.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:25 am

Luminous Lead wrote:And as a note to the rest of the guys debating about how to kill the eater. Why drop the moon on the eater, when you can drop the eater on the moon?

-Enough rock to sustain the reaction (being the SOURCE of all moonrocks)
-Containment solved by the vacuum of space
It's not that simple. Sure, that will damage the EoS, but the explosion would thrust it away (back at the planet, probably, letting it impact again) long before it could fully react. Something would need to maintain contact.

Also, depending on what forms of energy moonstone/starmetal annihilation emits, the vacuum might do absolutely nothing. The distance would help, but, on the other hand, it would let the radiation cover a larger area. Worst case scenario, this plan flash-burns half the planet. That's probably not going to happen, but "throw it at the moon" without any extra measures taken is not a very good plan.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kattlarv on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:37 am

@Feather: (Styg) As said before, BJ didn't want to have sex, she wanted to prove she COULD have sex with a male without killing them. In either case, he still had retarded stamina for a virgin. Plus, as said, just because you can do something for a long time I don't see as a reason to be impressed by it. Like, I can weave for hours, or make a dozen baskets an hour, not that I know shit about weaving, and the "baskets" would consist of a couple of strings more resembling a bad headband, that doesn't matter, cuz I'm still doing it for longer and producing more than that expert. Like... I don't see that as a reason for people to be impressed on me xP

@Erum: Okies.

@Tyler: I saw the book yes xP And would not really say memory orb as much as illusion magic.

@EP: (spoilers) Tbh, I avoided these forums till I had watched S3 to avoid spoilers as I found them popping up here and there.

@Canon: Yes, BJ will moon the eater to death xD

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Erumpet on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:18 pm

@Kattlarv: The reason I said Blackjack just used Stygius is because Stygius didn't come in and convince Blackjack to have sex with him, he came and asked for sex yes, but that's not the reason Blackjack had sex with him. If Blackjack had decided to not sleep with Stygius, his looks and charms wouldn't have convinced her otherwise. Blackjack made a conscious decision to sleep with Stygius to help overcome her trauma. Stygius could have been any straight stallion with a sex drive. His approaches probably sped the process up, but it was going to happen eventually.  Also, you said that Blackjack changed from preferring mares to preffering stallions, which I don't think happened. I think both before and after she didn't care about gender when it came to sex, so to me sleeping with Stygius was not out of character in that regard. Remember that Stallion at Fluttershy hospital from the Society? Blackjack was checking him out. The thing about him being a champion in bed I still can't explain well to myself though, maybe it was to make him feel good because he was standing right there? Or maybe it was just nervous chatter, I don't know. 

Sorry this took so long, but real life got in the way a bit. Plus it had slipped my mind until you posted, so sorry :p

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by IncoherentOrange on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:50 pm

Pointing out, Blackjack notes the attractiveness of a stallion (an image of a stallion, in Hoss' place) as early as chapter two.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Meleagridis on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:50 pm

Old old things

WavemasterRyx wrote:
OneMoreDaySK wrote:So beautiful. Blackjack even dyed her mane... Or
washed out her red highlights?
The red is still there, I just made it a really soft highlight instead of the usual sharply defined streaks. Seems like it was a mistake though.

I sure don't think so. The subtly blended 'Jacktavia' colours make this my new favourite.

Ironmonger wrote:What if Dawn was in the same predicament as Cyclops of the X-Men. She opens her eyes and-
EDIT: I'm seriously trying to get a topic started. I'm curious what happens when she opens her eyes.

Maintaining that Dawn has died. Or been taken. Coerced. Subverted. But not normally. And the truth will be in her eyes.

Sindri wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:That's something I've been meaning to ask you lot of writers about. How long does it take you all to writer a chapter normally?

*gets a folding chair and sits, folding hands in thought*
Solid writing? About three pages per hour, including first round of editing.
Actively working on a story? About one day per page of final product, on average, because I keep writing, rewriting, mapping things out, developing parts of the world and the characters that will probably never actually be evident, fine-tuning the rules of magic...
Critically thinking about the story? Maybe a page a week if I'm lucky. I do a lot of thinking, okay?
Total time taken to release a goddamn chapter? Let me get back to you on that in a few months. Maybe. Realistically, I'd say there's at least a 20% chance of dropping my attempts at writing altogether, and 40% on top of that of never actually uploading even if I finish something.

Hell no. No no no no no. You think almost as deep as Hinds, it seems. Cannot drop this hint and then drop the idea. I want to see what your mind creates.

FeatherDust wrote:
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Beautiful.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm

all i hope is somber is taking the meds and he has just adapted to them better...

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:57 pm

Cptadder wrote:
TL:DR, if the eater is at the center of Hoofington and is detonated then most of Hoofington is gone, a bigger that 50k ton Eater means that the explosion could reach the gigaton level. As it is that big of an explosive that deep underground would at least result in massive Earth quakes. Final note, that sized eater might be to small by one or two full magnitudes meaning the explosion might be in the gigaton or Teraton range.
I'm not sure I get your point. Are you talking about attempting to use total annihilation to utterly destroy the EoS with moonrocks, or are you talking about the effects of trying to do what I was saying, to launch the EoS into orbit with a single huge explosion? A launch would be a big nuke-scale explosion, but I don't think it would be a literally earth-shattering kaboom even for quite a large EoS.

Anyway you don't have to do it all with one blast; if you have enough moonrock and the proper parts, you could build a cannon that shoots moonrocks and effectively construct an Orion drive* that runs on total annihilation reactions.

And really, I'm just assuming "throw it into the outer darkness" is the goal here; you could theoretically use a limited supply of moonrock to heft the Eater into the moon, but I'm afraid that really WOULD cause an earth-shattering kaboom, or at least moon-shattering (which would cause so much meteoric debris that it would be nearly as bad as another nuclear exchange). And it might not completely destroy the Eater even so.

* The Orion drive was a theoretical concept for a rocket that runs by detonating a stream of (relatively) small nuclear weapons behind a metal shield instead of combusting fuel.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kattlarv on Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:36 pm

@Erump:
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That Blackjack did, but again, his only purpose and reason he stuck around her was so that she bent over and gave her some of that sweet metal flank he craved. As said and confirmed, he only went up to her, then hung around her since he wanted to fuck her and please himself. He was a horny virgin of.... unknown age. The fact she made a choice to agree to HIS offer makes it very stupid to say SHE used HIM. He basically swagged around her with his maxed charm and looks waiting for her to move her tail. His sole purpose was that he wanted sex (like all males /sarcasm) it was not till after he got laid he had an... epiphany or what to call it and decided to stick with her after he got what he wanted to use her for. He could just as well had left when he was done, but as said, he was a supposed good pony and was touched by her story and decided to help. And that was sort of the point to a degree, he COULD have been any stallion, but Somber didn't allow that, it HAD to be some super important and awesome one, just like every partner she's had so far, and every partner for the mane six. I personally would have LOVED to see her like, stumble upon some random nopony (or Keeper, that would have had such humour value) or overall "good guy". And I know I bring the topic up way too often but: Lets just say he also was a rape victim. Possibly recent, but preferably a while back. Could even be injured or scared of BJ as they first met. Could have lead to a very interesting interaction emotion wise for both characters. You know, they get to talking, have a little therapy session, BJ after a bit insists sex is totally the most logical thing they can do (or the stallion, going with the (sadly) general seeming mental capacity of stallions. After some scuffling around, they manage to get around to it, both just trying to go through it without breaking down or harming the other. And I am trailing off here, but point being, there were plenty of options to go, the one picked seemed rather... weird though.
->
A bit like if ending Fo3 with convincing Fawkes to go in, then follow in after him. Like... okay? As said, could have gotten rid of Psycho and taken care of BJ's desire to be able to have sex with stallions again in a smoother way. And no, I never said she changed... or did I? I'm quite sure I just said she has a preference for them. And lately cracked out a entirely new side to her not seen before. More about it in the comment to Inco bellow. As said, the main "problem" was that she both was fully okay with only catering to his needs, along with counting HIS pleasure as the primary of importance. Stable wise, that just doesn't add up for me. Like, if they had a vag measuring/bragging competition and first went like "I managed to get off seven times before my stallion was spent." And second goes "Pfft, that's nothing I forced mine to give me head after he got too sore to keep going with his dick, getting myself off eleven times before my time ran out, but not before making sure I painted his face good with my ejaculate." and then BJ piquing in "I sucked mine off a couple of times, then he dumped a few loads in me and he came a total six times! Isn't that good? Hey, how come neither of you mentioned how many times you pleasured your stallion?" gets a strange look from all the other mares before adding "Oh, and he of course had to suck out his own goop once he was done!" getting a bit less odd looks, could explain why she was a social outcast though. It's like... she just seems out of place there. And well, along with I mention quiet a lot of it bellow, I can also point out BJ is reverse sexist to her stable, when she imagines someone strong and powerful, she pictures them as male. Along with making references to stallions quite a few times when she talks, along with quite a few terms she says refers to the male genitalia.
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Penis and males cross her mind far more than vulva and females. (might be incorrect, but I've recall her use the male genus waaay more than the female.) And as said, coming from a society that goes "men are breeding equipment and here to pleasure you sexually", she is a very, very disturbed mare both in being so completely sub and with her mindset about males. I know she's been out in the wastes, but tbh, it's not entirely unlike how Fallout works... while it is stupid logic wise, both BJ, Pip and average stable/vault-dwellers adapt surprisingly quickly to the outside world. Anyhow, I never said I thought it was OOC of her to have him fuck her, but it was HOW she did it and how she reacted afterwards I thought was OOC. (along with Psycho getting a character overhaul) The only reason I can even remotely see her logically even mentioning it was to over-proportionate and fanwank Styg to force him onto Psycho with false promises, seeming like a catch. (as said, unless he lied his ass off and was a total slut in real life down in the batcaves, maybe going with a "It doesn't count if it's family!"... or if he is a severely chronic masturbator and jacked off several times a day to be able to get to that stamina. There is no way he could be an expert in bed after 1 go. At most if he has in-equine stamina, he can feel lucky to be a very efficient and bulky sex toy you have to please yourself with?) But yeah, more about this bellow. Still think it would have been better with Psycho/Wisp to go on a pilgrimage to find herself and reflect on things instead of be scrapped, reworked and forced into a relationship with the semi-mute living dildo prince.

@Inco:
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That was there before the revision as well right? In either case, yes, she have pointed out that, but she does that on mares too if I recall right. And while BJ is shown to be somewhat superficial, and reckless, it was still a bit of a drag for me. Plus, as said, she said nothing at all after being banged by Glory or Caprice(?) on a side note, Glory must have had a hard first time with Glory going with how sub she is. I mean, in addition to generally sucking at it, virgins tend to not be overly brave with it. (from Glory at least she could get mental stimulation, and Caprice knew what she was doing, yet neither got an acknowledgement from BJ in any way, not in "rounds" or anything, whilst Styg, the most worthless on it got not only an honorary mention, he was continuously praised for it and it was brought up several times across the chapters. Either BJ has a huge bias and preference for males and don't see mare on mare as actual "real sex", her current new mindset doesn't reflect so well upon that. Since as said, she says she loves Glory, but she only acknowledges stallions as of any importance. Sex wise, she hasn't really acknowledge anything about Glory other than "she tastes mare", (it is true Styg came after Somber mared up a bit, but still) making it seems like she doesn't value sex with other mares much at all, which contradicts her prior statement that sex is the most important thing to her as it makes her feel alive... then again, it can technically make sense since she flipped the fuck out over not being able to have sex with males, which could add to her large dividing between "real sex" and "fun with mares", which lead to her taking a huge risk and leaped into something, despite the fact she could have taken a safer and slower route with Styg, she simply refused to wait any longer and went with the more dangerous path. Tbh, BJ has confused the heck out of me lately with her new personality quirks and all that, but starting to get used to her again, but her mentality is still a mystery to me.. I could get it if he was so terrible bad at it was a running gag how horribly he did, but as said, he came in all perfect and handsome and talented and ofc doing anything poorly was bellow him.) *Ahem* Anyhow, not sure if I made sense, and some is just wild guessing. And yeah, I know I think too much. Must be nice to not contemplate over things or simply not give a fuck... *sigh*


And hum... I don't get it, I ought to be a lot more calm than I am right now, still feeling somewhat ticked. Likely due to a friend of mine not seeming to be able to grasp why them being hypocrites, telling me to do things they refuse to do themselves could possibly make me upset. Along with why a seeming incredibly obvious lie could be seen as offensive... nor why after they say they had to "prioritize" certain things, they removed everything I cared about and saw as important, even placing a text going "unf unf unf" as high priority than said pile of things, spending more time overall on one detail for two seconds than the entire flash on three whole other objects just to name some of them... yeah gee, I wonder why I could be upset by that.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:46 pm

So I've been doing done thinking about what Project Horizons is. It has to meet a list of requirements. Here are my thoughts.

1. When activated, PH is some serious bad mojo even in a Wasteland context.

If it were something that could kill the eater pretty cleanly (by waste standards), like say it involves nuking the entire core, there would be no penalty for activating it blindly in Goldie's cottage basement. It would make the story from then to the end feel a bit shaggy-dog. Feels bad if we could have had a happy ending twenty-plus chapters ago, had BJ been a bit more reckless (if that's possible). Therefore it must be horrendously bad news, to be used only after proper preparations are made. (My brother suggested that it may be necessary to force a complete evacuation of the Hoof by using the Core security system to fire randomly all over the place.)

2. But we are still going to use it.

This one is arguable, but I think at this point we have to see Horizons activated. It would be a real letdown if it were just a worldkiller superweapon. It must have a laudable purpose, or at least can be turned to one.

3. PH is bad enough to horrify Luna.

She was only mildly upset by Chimera, fine with tapping Discord-juice, and okay with slaughtering thousands at a blow with megaspells, but this was just way over the line, summary execution for Goldie. This is why I dismiss the moon base idea; I can't see that freaking even Luna out so badly.

It might be particularly horrible for her because of personal reasons, but if it isn't at least "really bad" to a reasonable bystander, I think the reveal is going to fall flat. My pet theory is that PH creates and empowers a new Nightmare Moon, thus something to be used only when both princesses are dead and all hope is lost, and putting the world under a new tyrant is better than the alternative.

It could be a moon base with a worldkiller superweapon, perhaps. But that conflicts with point 2; I don't see how you would use such a thing in the story.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kippershy on Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:10 pm

Kattlarv wrote:@Erump:
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That Blackjack did, but again, his only purpose and reason he stuck around her was so that she bent over and gave her some of that sweet metal flank he craved. As said and confirmed, he only went up to her, then hung around her since he wanted to fuck her and please himself. He was a horny virgin of.... unknown age. The fact she made a choice to agree to HIS offer makes it very stupid to say SHE used HIM. He basically swagged around her with his maxed charm and looks waiting for her to move her tail. His sole purpose was that he wanted sex (like all males /sarcasm) it was not till after he got laid he had an... epiphany or what to call it and decided to stick with her after he got what he wanted to use her for. He could just as well had left when he was done, but as said, he was a supposed good pony and was touched by her story and decided to help. And that was sort of the point to a degree, he COULD have been any stallion, but Somber didn't allow that, it HAD to be some super important and awesome one, just like every partner she's had so far, and every partner for the mane six. I personally would have LOVED to see her like, stumble upon some random nopony (or Keeper, that would have had such humour value) or overall "good guy". And I know I bring the topic up way too often but: Lets just say he also was a rape victim. Possibly recent, but preferably a while back. Could even be injured or scared of BJ as they first met. Could have lead to a very interesting interaction emotion wise for both characters. You know, they get to talking, have a little therapy session, BJ after a bit insists sex is totally the most logical thing they can do (or the stallion, going with the (sadly) general seeming mental capacity of stallions. After some scuffling around, they manage to get around to it, both just trying to go through it without breaking down or harming the other. And I am trailing off here, but point being, there were plenty of options to go, the one picked seemed rather... weird though.
->
A bit like if ending Fo3 with convincing Fawkes to go in, then follow in after him. Like... okay? As said, could have gotten rid of Psycho and taken care of BJ's desire to be able to have sex with stallions again in a smoother way. And no, I never said she changed... or did I? I'm quite sure I just said she has a preference for them. And lately cracked out a entirely new side to her not seen before. More about it in the comment to Inco bellow. As said, the main "problem" was that she both was fully okay with only catering to his needs, along with counting HIS pleasure as the primary of importance. Stable wise, that just doesn't add up for me. Like, if they had a vag measuring/bragging competition and first went like "I managed to get off seven times before my stallion was spent." And second goes "Pfft, that's nothing I forced mine to give me head after he got too sore to keep going with his dick, getting myself off eleven times before my time ran out, but not before making sure I painted his face good with my ejaculate." and then BJ piquing in "I sucked mine off a couple of times, then he dumped a few loads in me and he came a total six times! Isn't that good? Hey, how come neither of you mentioned how many times you pleasured your stallion?" gets a strange look from all the other mares before adding "Oh, and he of course had to suck out his own goop once he was done!" getting a bit less odd looks, could explain why she was a social outcast though. It's like... she just seems out of place there. And well, along with I mention quiet a lot of it bellow, I can also point out BJ is reverse sexist to her stable, when she imagines someone strong and powerful, she pictures them as male. Along with making references to stallions quite a few times when she talks, along with quite a few terms she says refers to the male genitalia.
->
Penis and males cross her mind far more than vulva and females. (might be incorrect, but I've recall her use the male genus waaay more than the female.) And as said, coming from a society that goes "men are breeding equipment and here to pleasure you sexually", she is a very, very disturbed mare both in being so completely sub and with her mindset about males. I know she's been out in the wastes, but tbh, it's not entirely unlike how Fallout works... while it is stupid logic wise, both BJ, Pip and average stable/vault-dwellers adapt surprisingly quickly to the outside world. Anyhow, I never said I thought it was OOC of her to have him fuck her, but it was HOW she did it and how she reacted afterwards I thought was OOC. (along with Psycho getting a character overhaul) The only reason I can even remotely see her logically even mentioning it was to over-proportionate and fanwank Styg to force him onto Psycho with false promises, seeming like a catch. (as said, unless he lied his ass off and was a total slut in real life down in the batcaves, maybe going with a "It doesn't count if it's family!"... or if he is a severely chronic masturbator and jacked off several times a day to be able to get to that stamina. There is no way he could be an expert in bed after 1 go. At most if he has in-equine stamina, he can feel lucky to be a very efficient and bulky sex toy you have to please yourself with?) But yeah, more about this bellow. Still think it would have been better with Psycho/Wisp to go on a pilgrimage to find herself and reflect on things instead of be scrapped, reworked and forced into a relationship with the semi-mute living dildo prince.

@Inco:
Spoiler:
That was there before the revision as well right? In either case, yes, she have pointed out that, but she does that on mares too if I recall right. And while BJ is shown to be somewhat superficial, and reckless, it was still a bit of a drag for me. Plus, as said, she said nothing at all after being banged by Glory or Caprice(?) on a side note, Glory must have had a hard first time with Glory going with how sub she is. I mean, in addition to generally sucking at it, virgins tend to not be overly brave with it. (from Glory at least she could get mental stimulation, and Caprice knew what she was doing, yet neither got an acknowledgement from BJ in any way, not in "rounds" or anything, whilst Styg, the most worthless on it got not only an honorary mention, he was continuously praised for it and it was brought up several times across the chapters. Either BJ has a huge bias and preference for males and don't see mare on mare as actual "real sex", her current new mindset doesn't reflect so well upon that. Since as said, she says she loves Glory, but she only acknowledges stallions as of any importance. Sex wise, she hasn't really acknowledge anything about Glory other than "she tastes mare", (it is true Styg came after Somber mared up a bit, but still) making it seems like she doesn't value sex with other mares much at all, which contradicts her prior statement that sex is the most important thing to her as it makes her feel alive... then again, it can technically make sense since she flipped the fuck out over not being able to have sex with males, which could add to her large dividing between "real sex" and "fun with mares", which lead to her taking a huge risk and leaped into something, despite the fact she could have taken a safer and slower route with Styg, she simply refused to wait any longer and went with the more dangerous path. Tbh, BJ has confused the heck out of me lately with her new personality quirks and all that, but starting to get used to her again, but her mentality is still a mystery to me.. I could get it if he was so terrible bad at it was a running gag how horribly he did, but as said, he came in all perfect and handsome and talented and ofc doing anything poorly was bellow him.) *Ahem* Anyhow, not sure if I made sense, and some is just wild guessing. And yeah, I know I think too much. Must be nice to not contemplate over things or simply not give a fuck... *sigh*


And hum... I don't get it, I ought to be a lot more calm than I am right now, still feeling somewhat ticked. Likely due to a friend of mine not seeming to be able to grasp why them being hypocrites, telling me to do things they refuse to do themselves could possibly make me upset. Along with why a seeming incredibly obvious lie could be seen as offensive... nor why after they say they had to "prioritize" certain things, they removed everything I cared about and saw as important, even placing a text going "unf unf unf" as high priority than said pile of things, spending more time overall on one detail for two seconds than the entire flash on three whole other objects just to name some of them... yeah gee, I wonder why I could be upset by that.

Only related because of this post, but like I say, I don't want it to be so strict you can't even reply to something quickly --

Every time you say that you wish Keeper had been the one to sleep with Blackjack, my eyes go shifty for a moment.
...Especially since one of the variations on my nickname IS Keeper. (Ah, good ol' Sammy when we used to get high together..)

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