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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by IncoherentOrange on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:50 pm

No, no, I mean other crossovers of MLP and Fallout. Though I suppose those aren't of much relevance.
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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:08 pm

Orange are you talking about stories like heros murjey number seven and project horizons? That is what they posted those are the stables in many stories from fallout crossovers.
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:12 pm

No. Other crossovers not based on FoE. Or even if they are, as I could imagine someone writing an FoE/Fallout cross. (Well, that'd be fun, wouldn't it?)


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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:13 pm

Those would be lumped with the rest...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Sindri on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:18 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:No. Other crossovers not based on FoE. Or even if they are, as I could imagine someone writing an FoE/Fallout cross. (Well, that'd be fun, wouldn't it?
So you're looking for crossovers between MLP:FiM and Fallout that have nothing to do with Fallout: Equestria? I haven't seen any, though I admit to not looking hard...
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Post by Ketchup on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:33 pm

He wrote one as part of a multi-crossover fic.
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Post by WovenTales on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:58 pm

CamoBadger wrote:
WovenTales wrote:
Valikdu wrote:Oh hey, I found a good fanfic where Twilight becomes a surrogate parent.

...
What was that I heard? Ah yes, "Past Sins"; we have dismissed that claim.

This one's way better. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/28718/The-Foal-in-The-Basket
Past Sins certainly has its problems, but it's not too badly written. That story has an interesting premise, but I have to say that the writing isn't as good. I'm not sure if it gets better later on, but I've been around enough animals that giving Twilight an udder made me close it. But Twilight does make a great surrogate parent.
Did you read the older version, or the new version? (It was edited to be more up to date with Season 2 for some reason...I don't know why, I enjoyed it regardless, but that's what Pen Stroke wanted I guess)
I read the last revision before the Season 2 update, and I did enjoy that version. The way I heard it, Pen Stroke was going to brush anyway for that print project (not nearly as exciting as Fo:E's) and so decided to bring it up to date at the same time. Still seems a tad excessive. At this rate, I wonder if the hard copies will be out of date after the next season.
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:59 pm

Yeah, I did. It's not very good though. Nor does it make sense from outside. (I mean, who the hell writes a Fallout, MLP, and Pokémon crossover that isn't crazy? Trick question; it's not possible.)
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Post by WovenTales on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:42 am

I'd prefer to say "extremely unlikely". After all, a Fallout/MLP crossover makes no sense. I'd say that the best way to go after it would be to use Pokémon mechanics in the Fallout universe with pony characters—ponies catching and battling the creatures of the wasteland. But I don't think I'm a good enough writer to make it work.

A warning to everyone reading this: I'm getting tired enough to be quite talkative, so I might very likely semi-spam the thread with more or less inane replies for an hour or so, and then regret most of them in the morning.
Edit: Or I could head to bed before that happens. Not sure when I'll be talking again, but I will definitely be lurking.
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Post by Somber on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:29 am

We're 1/2 done with brushing c50. a few more hours...
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Post by RoboRed on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:57 am

Well, I had my Sunday all planned out for reading fanfics...guess PH is going first.

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Aonee wrote:
jacky2734 wrote:((Aonee, don't make me invent a way to punch you over the internet.))
((If you do, I will invent a Korean technique to block it with someone else's face. And, construct more pylons.))

CamoBadger wrote:((Wow, zebra incest is powerful shit))

Mister Frost's friend, "Darren" wrote:"I'm scared to break up with her, though. Her dad's an ex-marine; if I make her cry he'll club me over the head with a pillowcase full of doorknobs and Tom Clancy novels."

Sindri wrote:This is a thread for fans of a fanfiction of a fanfiction about murderous miniature pastel equines in a grimdark post-apocalyptic future.
If you wanted to stay anywhere near socially acceptable, you should have taken a left turn about three layers of WTF back.

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Post by Overlong Analysis Cobalt on Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:10 am

Arrgh, headache, dizzy, out of painkillers... gotta stay up! Maybe water will help. Looking forward to new chapter, though!
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:48 am

Somber wrote:We're 1/2 done with brushing c50. a few more hours...
That sounds like wonderful progress, sir. We'll be looking forward to it once it's done.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:03 am

Somber wrote:We're 1/2 done with brushing c50. a few more hours...
I know what I'm doing tomorrow! Sweetie Belle
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Post by O. Hinds on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:16 am

50 is up! Good grief, has it really been fourteen hours? No wonder I'm so tired.
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Post by RoboRed on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:20 am

And thus, my attention shall now be diverted away from this topic until tomorrow when I finish the chapter...

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jacky2734 wrote:((Aonee, don't make me invent a way to punch you over the internet.))
((If you do, I will invent a Korean technique to block it with someone else's face. And, construct more pylons.))

CamoBadger wrote:((Wow, zebra incest is powerful shit))

Mister Frost's friend, "Darren" wrote:"I'm scared to break up with her, though. Her dad's an ex-marine; if I make her cry he'll club me over the head with a pillowcase full of doorknobs and Tom Clancy novels."

Sindri wrote:This is a thread for fans of a fanfiction of a fanfiction about murderous miniature pastel equines in a grimdark post-apocalyptic future.
If you wanted to stay anywhere near socially acceptable, you should have taken a left turn about three layers of WTF back.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FoolNeim on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:27 am

Sindri wrote:According to Somber, Ch. 50 should begin brushing
tomorrow. Also she called it terrible, and in my experience when Somber
says the new chapter is terrible, it turns out especially
awesome.




Main thought:

Also great artists quite often hate their own work and have extremely low opinions of their own ability. It's the inverse part of the Kruger-Dunning affect as they don't think anything they do is ever quite good enough, even if they write some epically epic story involving alcoholic, telekinetic ninja cyberponies in the post-apocalypse that's so epic that you have to come up with new words to describe its epicness.


WovenTales wrote:After all, a Fallout/MLP crossover makes no sense.

I know this is a bit of a tangent, sorry:

Thinking about it, I think Fallout / FiM works as a crossover because of the combination of strong characters + strong, dynamic environment. Obviously it still takes a very talented writer to pull off the gestalt, but FO:E and PH are not awesome in spite of the bizarreness of the crossover. It's because that creating characters that are endearing and putting them in an apocalyptic, but open-ended environment, with ever present but ever distant hope, with those things you have the ingredients for epicness. I haven't actually played Fallout, but the impression I get is a proper combination of the two parents is all about these things. FiM has very strongly written characters, likable, flawed, relatable, fallible, diverse, and entertaining. PH has all of those things as well. It also takes place in an environment where ponies are all but forced to either change for the better, change for the worse, a little of both, or die.

So good on Kkat for navigating that brilliantly and on Somber for potentially topping her.

Also, Somber, if you're reading, plz take care of urself.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Katarn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:05 am

What I've found so far:
Spoiler:
I wish I’d known you were doing it, but if I had I would have told you not to and you would have done it anyway. ‘Cause you’d never let me die if you could prevent it, just like I wouldn’t let you die if there was a way for me to save you.”
Missing " in the beginning.
I'll be looking further. And chapter is good. Thanks both to Somber and editing crew Rainbow
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Post by Valikdu on Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:22 am

IncoherentOrange wrote:No. Other crossovers not based on FoE.

I've seen one where The Wanderer crashes an alien ship and ends up in the Everfree. Didn't like it much, though.

Or even if they are, as I could imagine someone writing an FoE/Fallout cross. (Well, that'd be fun, wouldn't it?)

Could be fun, I guess.

That story has an interesting premise, but I have to say that the writing isn't as good.

Well... It can be improved. Compared to the absolute mess PS used to be, I'd say it can definitely get better. And I like the psychological and societal aspects.

50 is up!

But I was planning to... Well, frak whatever I was planning to do. READ READ READ READ
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Post by Scootayay on Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:23 am

I haven't counted them yet, but I'm pretty sure ch50 breaks the 1 million word mark. CONGRATULATIONS!
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Katarn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:55 am

Just my thoughts...heh...I think it's actually first time, I'm trying make a review or somethin' like that...so:
Spoiler:
@Goddess 'controlling' BJ
Well...that escalated quickly...and it's ~week till LP blow her ass by megaspell. My suggestion? More dirty thought, BJ...it will either amuse Goddess or disgusts her...or she'll try to take control over you sooner, to stop that waterfall of thought...okay, don't listen to me, BJ.

@Glory punishing BJ
You know...at first I didn't get what's going on...maybe something lost in translation...but when I get what's going on....that mental image of mine...
Also. This melody popped up in my head. Maybe it not really appropriate, but why not? (Wanna feel it - Vibrolux)
But if anything would help BJ with her 'I will help everyone, even if I got killed', that would be good ol' spanking....and if it feels good...okay, Katarn, stop right there....that scene should be drawn..um...for...science?... Shy

@Shujaa's memory Well...that was really interesting. I don't even know what to say.

@Ending ...Dat ending Big mac Could it be more awkward? I wonder if Dawn just...hm..'mocking' BJ and Glory told her everything..or it might be one of most awkward ending-cliffhanger that I've saw.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by IncoherentOrange on Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:57 am

Looks like things're going to get busy around here. Have fun readin', folks, I'm going to be writing... something today.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by IncoherentOrange on Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:07 am

FoolNeim wrote:I think Fallout / FiM works as a crossover because of the combination of strong characters + strong, dynamic environment. Obviously it still takes a very talented writer to pull off the gestalt, but FO:E and PH are not awesome in spite of the bizarreness of the crossover. It's because that creating characters that are endearing and putting them in an apocalyptic, but open-ended environment, with ever present but ever distant hope, with those things you have the ingredients for epicness. I haven't actually played Fallout, but the impression I get is a proper combination of the two parents is all about these things. FiM has very strongly written characters, likable, flawed, relatable, fallible, diverse, and entertaining. PH has all of those things as well. It also takes place in an environment where ponies are all but forced to either change for the better, change for the worse, a little of both, or die.

Absolutely; Fallout (especially 2 and 3, but it could be debated endlessly) has a notable lack of three-dimensional characters. FiM doesn't. On the other hand, Fallout has a world that requires adaptation and presents constant challenges for the characters to resolve. FiM provides that only to protagonists. Fallout applies it to everyone. It's an interesting mix.
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Post by Sindri on Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:48 am

Got to the new chapter within the night this time, because I really don't need to sleep anyway!

Commentary might be a bit sparser than I usually do, but I found myself without much to say about a lot of the proceedings.
Spoiler:
Chapter 50: Selfishness.

Whelp.

“...I heard the Goddess chuckle darkly.” I figure she’s wondering why she didn’t assimilate Blackjack sooner. I mean sure BJ is too broken to be a real part of Unity, but watching her across the Wasteland would have to be hilarious.

Ookay, not sure I want to think about Scotch having “three or so” herself. Wasn’t she, like, prepubescent? *shudder*

“‘...Daddy,’ Scotch Tape said...”

SQUEEEEEEEEEE

Ahem.

Wait, not telling Glory about the Goddess in your brain? I understand not mentioning temporarily dying again, even if I’m not sure if I agree with it, but what possible purpose could hiding your alicorny connection serve? And how exactly do you expect her to not notice?

Yeah, pretty sure that Twilight was Tarot’s biological mother. Have been for a couple dozen chapters, but a bit more evidence only helps.

Ooh, the Star House has a basement? With lights and everything?

A basement full of books? Best house evar!

Orb? Ooh! Wait. no. Bad. If you go diving now something will attack, and you don’t want Chapel to ever be attacked. Go out into the wilderness first. And bring... Rampage I guess? Lacunae? You aren’t allowed to be alone but your options are suddenly limited...

Well, and least she has Boo watching over her as she sleeps. And probably reacting adorably to her Blackjack suddenly going comatose after touching the shiny thing.

Ah. Can’t tell Spike about the connection either. Blackjack isn’t being an idiot this time, the Goddess is forcing her mouth shut and Blackjack’s just thick enough to not notice. Clever. More subtle than you generally associate with the Great and Powerful one. Here’s hoping that Glory gets the whole story from Lacunae while nobody’s looking and starts her own plotting...

“Really, I was starting to respect her even more than the Stable Dweller.” Okay, that thing I just said about Blackjack not being an idiot? Nevermind.

Wait, why is Blackjack so shuddery about cannibalism? 99 was all about the recycled food sources. The murder is objectionable, but not the eating afterwards.

Woo! Score one for the inebriated blur! Now you just need to make sure to be really drunk for all further important information gains, and the Goddess will remain clueless!.

How many more days until the Goddess goes boom? Like, four? Six? Too damn long.

Congratulations P-21, you have the highest sanity score in the party. Followed by Scotch. Really, your little family unit there is starting to look downright functional.

I take back every bad thing I’ve said about Blackjack and the Stable Dweller and Littlepip, because this is just such an effective method of trolling the Goddess.

Time to see Charity, and then take a journey to the center of Rampage’s brain.

Caprice is working for Charity. That’s... awesome. Sorry to hear about Flank, but really looking forward to Charity building up a tyrannical trade empire to put Keeper to shame

.And Precious is guarding the vault. That is the best thing and I demand fanart.

...People who’ve lived in the Hoof their whole lives, been in its rain nigh-constantly for years, and still build heavy, unstable structures and sit in and under them in a storm? Medly’s passing is a terrible tragedy. But a big part of my mind keeps saying “Darwin Award...”

So the zebras had full simulacrums by the end of the war? Robots indistinguishable from zebras except by emotional response or cutting them open? There’s pretty much no way this isn’t going to be relevant later. In fact it might explain the Remnant, if their leader isn’t just obsessed with tradition but actually operating on their programming from centuries ago...

I believe that is confirmation of our old theory about how the talisman went from Shujaa to Twist, albeit in a more dramatic manner than I had foreseen. And the Equestrian army must have really been scraping the bottom of the barrel for recruits by the end there; not just disobeying direct orders, but fragging your commander?

New pegasus? Dawn?
...This should be interesting.
Overall I liked it a lot. As far as I can tell Somber didn't screw up Glory's characterization like she was afraid of. Lots of endings and beginnings here, some confirmations or significant supports for old theories, and hints of things to come.

One possible typo?:
"'Contact!' a mare screamed in the night, and then the air filled with the buzz of two machine guns sweeping across the assembled ponies."
Should this be 'the assembled zebras'? As far as I can tell Twist is the only pony in the firing area, and it makes more sense for that fragging idiot to be killing the traitor legion than spinning around to massacre their own troops in the distance.
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Post by Ametros on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:00 am

Another fine chapter - I don't understand what you worry about Somber!!
Like other's mine isn't a particularly long commentary, but the chapter was excellent regardless.

Commentary:
“Ohmygosh! Ohmygosh! Ohmygosh! Are you okay?”
-Definitely not the followup I was expecting…

“She screwed up her face and snarled in disgust.”
-Glory SNARLING IN DISGUST? This is worse than I feared…

“I get it. There’s something wrong with me that you don’t want to deal with, but couldn’t you have told me first?”
-So very much worse than I feared… Poor Glory. D:

“Glory, it was now becoming very clear, definitely did not have the same opinion.”
-Lo and behold, it finally begins dawning on our not-very-clever pony.

“Hey, Blackjack. How many times did you have sex with my mom?”
-Scotch Tape the saviour. I’m guessing Blackjack will finally learn how sex is outside her Stable?

“Glory backed off and sat down, looking at me as if she’d never seen me before.”
-I expect this is where entertained though of the off-time in the relationship truly begins?

“I sighed, slumping. Enough about the epic failures of Blackjack. “How have your last three days been?”
-Bad Blackjack, bad. Not a good direction.

“Maybe she’d been Rarity’s cousin twice removed? Or had some Apple in her? Who knew for sure? It could all be one big coincidence.”
-So you shed light on the surrogacy process, just to say it all means nothing currently? Oh you. :P

“Then two hooves wrapped around Marigold and yanked tight as the mare shrieked, “Here I am!” And then everything fell into darkness once more.”
-Very interesting, this…

“Somepony… anypony… help me…”
-Oh shit. This is bad. Hurry up Littlepip!!

“She frowned as she pulled the sheet off her face and looked away, chewing on her bottom lip. Finally she sighed and said, “Just a thousand different things, and half of them contradict. Mostly, I want to feel like I’m in charge of things. Like what I want matters. Like… I want to be more like Dusk. Confident I can actually do things. That I matter.”
-Glory feels. I want much the same…

“Yeah. It sucks,” I said as I moved in front of her. “Welcome to Hoofington!”
-Hoofington is a cunt.

“And your Stable Dweller is LittlePip!”
-FINALLY!!!

“Oh, sure. Like I was going to believe anything she said!”
-Or not. HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO LAST?! xD

“And because he was good, he dove in and swam deeper and deeper. And thus, he drowned. When he died, there was nopony to help the poor, the hungry, or the weary. And so, they died too.”
-Oh crap. Blackjack, you can’t do everything…

“Yeouch!” I yelped as Glory whacked my backside hard.”
-Pavlovian conditioning here? Treating Blackjack like a dog and punishing her when she has negative thoughts?

“I can tell you how the talisman got from Shujaa to Twist,” I groaned. “She put it there herself.”
-So sad… Bloody pony…

“A pegasus mare sat calmly in a wooden chair while Scotch Tape and P-21 sat together on the couch.”
-It’s Dawn.

“Glory sat perched on a stool, looking utterly petrified, her body completely covered by the sheet.”
-IT’S DAWN.

“Her flank had a brand on it that was nearly identical to the one that had been forced upon Glory.”
-IT’S DAWN!

“The mare smiled gently. “My name is Dawn. I was hoping to speak to you... and I was wondering if you could tell me where my daughter Morning Glory could be found.”
-IT’S DAWN!!!

…Goddamn cliffhangers. xD

Errors:
“I knew love was serious. Abuse was a serious. Rape and coercion for sex were serious.”
-It should be ‘Abuse was serious.’ There’s an extra ‘a’ there.

“I know you’re trying hard to do the father thing, Dad, but could you me a little less... erm... pithy?”
-Instead of ‘me’ it should be ‘be’, I believe.

“If that damned blue weed had turned me into anypony, else I’d be fine.”
- Should be ‘anypony else, I’d be fine.’

“Goodiest good pony is the Wasteland,”
-Should be ‘in’, not ‘is’.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:07 am

Somber, thank you so much for writing this story. To Hinds, Bronode, and Snipe as well. Thank you all for taking so much time out of your lives to give this story life.

As always, I'll try my best to get the full commentary done as soon as I can.
Initial thoughts on the chapter:

It was, of course, great to see more of Boo, and to see Caprice again. The way you dealt with Blackjack and Glory was nicely handled too, I think.

But... that scene with the Goddess... that hurt really, really bad. I don't think I can possibly express just how much it hurt...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:32 am

What the hell I got bed at a decent hour and you update? Okay
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by The Holy Tuna on Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:35 am

Greetings, mortals. As you know, PH discussions quickly take a turn for the strange. New chapter comments are no different. Here is the most recent chat log with an 'interesting' story about Snipehamster and an anonymous user starting at line 501. Enjoy.
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Post by Ketchup on Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:35 am

I regret not getting up earlier. Will begin reading in an hour or so after going out for lunch, maybe interrupted by movie-going.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by hawkeye92 on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:26 pm

Well, the latest chapter was really good. Not a ton of action but it does need a break. Goddess taking over, reminding everyone that she is actually really evil (I forgot she was really nasty for a while), the plan to help Rampage and the back and forth between Glory and Blackjack was great- also another really good cliffhanger.

Out of the blue I have no idea where it's going to go which is an exciting prospect.
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