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Post by Ketchup on Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:56 pm

stringtheory wrote:a fan with no cover on it, we have one at my school and a bunch of people including myself can't help but touch it for whatever reason
I thought I was the only one that can't leave fans be.
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:59 pm

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stringtheory wrote:a fan with no cover on it, we have one at my school and a bunch of people including myself can't help but touch it for whatever reason
I thought I was the only one that can't leave fans be.

Yeah, in our room (we do share a room, Ketchup and I, being twins) there is a coverless fan that, despite all the damage it's received from our shenanigans, just won't die.
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Post by Kippershy on Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:27 pm

Ahhh, the joys of fans.
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Post by RoboRed on Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Everyone is enticed by the spinny blades of death... Crazy

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Post by Scootayay on Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:01 pm

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That is correct. Yours should be shipped either this or the next weekend. Shipping itself shouldn't take very long. Mine(international) took exactly one week.


WovenTales wrote:So they are as high quality as we were told? It's going to be nice when/if they get PH printed. (Were planning on it the last I heard, but let's wait until it's finished.)
I already got my set and I can tell you that they really are AMAZING.
Yes they are going to to a printing of PH once it's done, that is pretty much confirmed. I can't wait until I have PH on my bookshelf.


@military connection: great-grandfather fought in WWII up in Norway(on the German side).
Edit: He did not exactly have a choice about that, living in occupied Austria.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Cptadder on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:08 pm

stringtheory wrote:random topic/thought of the day: you know what the best Schmuck Bait is? answer: a fan with no cover on it, we have one at my school and a bunch of people including myself can't help but touch it for whatever reason

Most people can't, there is something in our genetic makeup that tells us "yeah, I can totally do this" and spiny things apparently bypass the critical thinking portion of our brain and go directly to the primitive "what's that? I'm gonna get it" part of our brain. You can see it on display in dogs they do the exact same thing (Spiny thingy? Ima gonna bite it) and cats and we do it almost the exact same way.
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:12 pm

stringtheory wrote:random topic/thought of the day: you know what the best Schmuck Bait is? answer: a fan with no cover on it, we have one at my school and a bunch of people including myself can't help but touch it for whatever reason
Ahhh, spinny things with no cover on them. You have to touch them, and then turn it into a game of "who can stick their finger in and out without getting hit?". Hint: It's more fun with a lawnmower.

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Post by Ketchup on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:36 pm

scootayay wrote:@military connection: great-grandfather fought in WWII up in Norway(on the German side).
Edit: He did not exactly have a choice about that, living in occupied Austria.
It's a shame that many people think that the entire Wehrmacht was a bunch of evil fascists, while in reality it was composed of a mix of patriots, conscripts and relatively few Nazis.

I actually forgot that my cousin was joining the Canadian Navy. She's going to an officer's school, but has studied nursing, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on there. It has something to do with a special program.
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:37 pm

ketchup504 wrote:
scootayay wrote:@military connection: great-grandfather fought in WWII up in Norway(on the German side).
Edit: He did not exactly have a choice about that, living in occupied Austria.
It's a shame that many people think that the entire Wehrmacht was a bunch of evil fascists, while in reality it was composed of a mix of patriots, conscripts and relatively few Nazis.

I actually forgot that my cousin was joining the Canadian Navy. She's going to an officer's school, but has studied nursing, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on there. It has something to do with a special program.
Could be similar to what the US military has, where nurses can become officers and work as Nurse Practitioners on a medical ship. At least that's my understanding of it, I don't closely follow what the navy does here XD

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Post by WovenTales on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:42 pm

Meleagridis wrote:How many of the people here have any sort of connection to the military?
My grandmother's first husband was a pilot, and her second was with the tanks. And I can safely say that age does not make the VA any easier to work with.

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But that's a game balance thing, something that deserves at least six pages of bullet points and two graphs to have a good discussion about.
A.K.A. "Fuck that noise."
A.K.A. "Let's support the casual gamer natively; those few looking for realism are willing to do a bit more work. They'd be tweaking the playstyle anyway."

Try taking a pack of fire geckos in FO2 with a 9mm pistol. I dare you. In NV it's rather easy. In FO2 you'll never, ever be safe from them, not even with the best armor and weapons; a crit can and will OHKO you.
I'd personally lean toward realism. I'm not quite sure how much damage a 9mm tends to do (low end, right?), but anything spitting fire at you would probably be rather deadly.

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Icy Shake wrote:@CalamityWhen: I'm expecting mine in the next few weeks; it sounded like the domestic ones were going out last.
That is correct. Yours should be shipped either this or the next weekend. Shipping itself shouldn't take very long. Mine(international) took exactly one week.


WovenTales wrote:So they are as high quality as we were told? It's going to be nice when/if they get PH printed. (Were planning on it the last I heard, but let's wait until it's finished.)
I already got my set and I can tell you that they really are AMAZING.
Yes they are going to to a printing of PH once it's done, that is pretty much confirmed. I can't wait until I have PH on my bookshelf.
Yay! Fluttershy It's been a long wait, but I'd say it's worth it. And I wonder what they will be doing until PH is ready. I heard that Pink Eyes was planned for the interim, but it seems like they might need a few more stories with the new schedule. (Somber, THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF YOUR SPEED! Take as long as you need for your new job!) Does anyone know of any other completed or nearly completed Fo:E sidefics that would be worth printing?
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Is Heroes almost done? I'd love to see that one in print. Oh, and definitely Murky when that's over.

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Post by Caoimhe on Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:49 pm

I saw those printed editions in progress and they are some impressive tomes. Didn't know it was done already!
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Post by Ketchup on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:02 pm

CamoBadger wrote:
Could be similar to what the US military has, where nurses can become officers and work as Nurse Practitioners on a medical ship. At least that's my understanding of it, I don't closely follow what the navy does here XD
Canada doesn't have any medical ships, AFAIK, and medical technician is an enlisted job.
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Post by Sindri on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:03 pm

Cptadder wrote:
stringtheory wrote:random topic/thought of the day: you know what the best Schmuck Bait is? answer: a fan with no cover on it, we have one at my school and a bunch of people including myself can't help but touch it for whatever reason

Most people can't, there is something in our genetic makeup that tells us "yeah, I can totally do this" and spiny things apparently bypass the critical thinking portion of our brain and go directly to the primitive "what's that? I'm gonna get it" part of our brain. You can see it on display in dogs they do the exact same thing (Spiny thingy? Ima gonna bite it) and cats and we do it almost the exact same way.
Ah, spinny things. Almost but not quite as irresistible as shiny dangly things (it must be batted at!)
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Post by Scootayay on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:05 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Is Heroes almost done? I'd love to see that one in print. Oh, and definitely Murky when that's over.
Heroes is actually up next for print after Pink Eyes.(That is still up for discussion I believe, but I think they will do it) Otherwise I don't think they have any further printings planned yet.
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:07 pm

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Post by Sindri on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:09 pm

...I really need to get up to date in Heroes. And start MN7. I'm so behind on everything and I have no time blarg
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:11 pm

Same here...I also need to catch up on PH...still only on ch 39...

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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:29 pm

Pink Eyes would need a serious overhaul, or maybe even an all-out re-write, to be fit to print, I'd say.

I liked the story, but I feel there were serious issues with the writing (style, pacing, characterization, ...).
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Post by Ironmonger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:37 pm

I'd personally lean toward realism. I'm not quite sure how much damage a 9mm tends to do (low end, right?), but anything spitting fire at you would probably be rather deadly.


9x19mm Parabellum is a low-end cartridge but widely popular because of it's light weight, cheap to make, and decent ballistics. However it aint perfect. There are stories floating around of between 20-38 shots of 9mm of unknown type and powder load to take down a person. Just my 2 cents. Big mac

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Post by Kippershy on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:54 pm

Ironmonger wrote:
I'd personally lean toward realism. I'm not quite sure how much damage a 9mm tends to do (low end, right?), but anything spitting fire at you would probably be rather deadly.


9x19mm Parabellum is a low-end cartridge but widely popular because of it's light weight, cheap to make, and decent ballistics. However it aint perfect. There are stories floating around of between 20-38 shots of 9mm of unknown type and powder load to take down a person. Just my 2 cents.

20-38 shots?
Now, are these being shot into an armoured target or otherwise? Because if it's with body armour, that's... okay, not acceptable but still, understandable. Without B.A? You might as well be shooting a .22
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Post by Ironmonger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:05 pm

Kippershy wrote:20-38 shots?
Now, are these being shot into an armoured target or otherwise? Because if it's with body armour, that's... okay, not acceptable but still, understandable. Without B.A? You might as well be shooting a .22

It's rare but it happens. I once saw something about a woman who had taken a .380 pistol and shot her husband three times in the head while he was asleep. He got up next morning and went to work, didn't know he was damaged until either he or someone else noticed the blood. I know nothing of the sources so I'm skeptical, but it isn't far-fetched to say that ballistics can get weird. One of the best pistol cartridges in automatic handguns, so I hear from reports, are the .40 Smith&Wesson and the .45 ACP fire from the right barrel lengths. I'm starting to ramble so SHUTTING THE FUCK UP MODE, ACTIVATE! *sprouts a jetpack and flies away*

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Post by Cptadder on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:19 pm

Kippershy wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:
I'd personally lean toward realism. I'm not quite sure how much damage a 9mm tends to do (low end, right?), but anything spitting fire at you would probably be rather deadly.


9x19mm Parabellum is a low-end cartridge but widely popular because of it's light weight, cheap to make, and decent ballistics. However it aint perfect. There are stories floating around of between 20-38 shots of 9mm of unknown type and powder load to take down a person. Just my 2 cents.

20-38 shots?
Now, are these being shot into an armoured target or otherwise? Because if it's with body armour, that's... okay, not acceptable but still, understandable. Without B.A? You might as well be shooting a .22
There are well know lethality issues with both the 9mm and 5.56mm round because of small size. The 9mm can and is lethal but it does not make the quickly lethal or disabling injuries that larger caliber bullets make. Time for a handy size chart


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Hand guns basically come in 9mm, .45 and the two most common revolver calibers of .38 and .44. No one hands out .50s to any troops even the Israel's who Desert Eagle made the .50 infamous to millions of counterstrike players. Thing is the 9mm is nice and handy with minimum recoil for it's size and high speed makes it more accurate which is important in hand guns since it's hard enough to hit things with a handgun as it is.

However the small size compared to a .44 Magnum round or .45 ACP means that what you do hit, unless you hit something vital won't go down. This is a very well known problem for cops who have to deal with people hopped up on Cocaine, PCP and other street drugs because to be frank when you get shot with a 9mm unless it was a brain, spine, heart or artery shot the reason you stop is because you've been shot. The holes are to small to stop you with massive blood loss so the only reason you stop is because you want to stop. So when your tweaked out of your brain on a massive adrenal rush because you got drugs in your system you can laugh off a dozen bullet wounds. And that's without funky ballistics like Scotty of Star Trek fame who was shot six times by a Bren gun in WW2 which fires bullet 41 on the big chart I linked. Two should be enough to put down anyone but he got four in his leg in the "right" places to avoid losing the leg one in his chest and one took off most of a finger so he was able to be healed right up from that. People say guns kill people but with the right medical treatment, the statistics bear this out with one person dieing for every seven people shot. Military medicin has advanced to the point we can claim 80% survival rates for people who don't die in the first five minutes can live for decades where once that rate was less than 30% less than a hundred years ago.

That's a totally separate point from the fact that 9mm hurt and can kill you but they break bones the way a .44 hit can.
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Post by Ironmonger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:22 pm

I don't know why noobs love the Deagle so much. When will they ever learn that it is a hunting weapon, not a combat weapon? Scootaloo

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Post by Cptadder on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:25 pm

Ironmonger wrote:I don't know why noobs love the Deagle so much. When will they ever learn that it is a hunting weapon, not a combat weapon? Scootaloo
Unless you intend to hunt bears by hitting them with the gun it's not even that. It's a wrist breaker in .50 period. You don't put that size caliber in that size gun without a stock to adsorb the recoil and if your putting a stock on a handgun you fail gun design class.
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Post by Sindri on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:26 pm

Ironmonger wrote:
I'd personally lean toward realism. I'm not quite sure how much damage a 9mm tends to do (low end, right?), but anything spitting fire at you would probably be rather deadly.


9x19mm Parabellum is a low-end cartridge but widely popular because of it's light weight, cheap to make, and decent ballistics. However it aint perfect. There are stories floating around of between 20-38 shots of 9mm of unknown type and powder load to take down a person. Just my 2 cents. Big mac
The thing is, there are very few injuries that will kill you instantly. A hole in the brain, or the heart? You're probably down. A great big .50 slug to the chest, or a serious explosion nearby? You'll probably fall, and die soon. A 9mm bullet through a lung or the gut? It'll probably kill you... eventually. In 5-10 minutes, probably, unless you get medical attention. But the majority of fatal injuries kill you the moment you lie down and let yourself die, so a sufficiently angry, drugged up, or desperate person will keep moving and attacking long after their life is ended. That's why people talk about big guns and 'stopping power,' because a .22 pistol can kill somebody just as effectively as a giant revolver, but in the short term the bigger gun is more likely to make them stop moving while there have been multiple cases of even sane, sober people not noticing getting shot by a small enough pistol until they feel the blood loss. That's one of the most popular arguments in favor of the desert eagle as a self-defense weapon (leaving aside the impractical size, bad reliability issues, general inaccuracy... it was abandoned by the military that designed it for a reason).
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:34 pm

Cptadder wrote:
Ironmonger wrote:I don't know why noobs love the Deagle so much. When will they ever learn that it is a hunting weapon, not a combat weapon? Scootaloo
Unless you intend to hunt bears by hitting them with the gun it's not even that. It's a wrist breaker in .50 period. You don't put that size caliber in that size gun without a stock to adsorb the recoil and if your putting a stock on a handgun you fail gun design class.
Actually, when it was designed, they purposely made it extremely heavy to midigate the recoil, so it is much less than you'd think. Not quite manageable if you don't know what you're doing, but in the right hands it's very effective.

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Post by Sindri on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:47 pm

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Ironmonger wrote:I don't know why noobs love the Deagle so much. When will they ever learn that it is a hunting weapon, not a combat weapon? Scootaloo
Unless you intend to hunt bears by hitting them with the gun it's not even that. It's a wrist breaker in .50 period. You don't put that size caliber in that size gun without a stock to adsorb the recoil and if your putting a stock on a handgun you fail gun design class.
Actually, when it was designed, they purposely made it extremely heavy to midigate the recoil, so it is much less than you'd think. Not quite manageable if you don't know what you're doing, but in the right hands it's very effective.
Until you discover that it falls apart after a dozen shots, or notice that it can't hit the broad side of a barn past fifty feet, sure. People buy a desert eagle because it's a big shiny scary gun, not because they know how to fight. Because people who know how to fight know that it isn't a weapon you fight with. When a military spends a large chunk of money designing something and then discards it, that's a sign that it does not actually function as intended.
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Post by CamoBadger on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:51 pm

Sindri wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:
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Ironmonger wrote:I don't know why noobs love the Deagle so much. When will they ever learn that it is a hunting weapon, not a combat weapon? Scootaloo
Unless you intend to hunt bears by hitting them with the gun it's not even that. It's a wrist breaker in .50 period. You don't put that size caliber in that size gun without a stock to adsorb the recoil and if your putting a stock on a handgun you fail gun design class.
Actually, when it was designed, they purposely made it extremely heavy to midigate the recoil, so it is much less than you'd think. Not quite manageable if you don't know what you're doing, but in the right hands it's very effective.
Until you discover that it falls apart after a dozen shots, or notice that it can't hit the broad side of a barn past fifty feet, sure. People buy a desert eagle because it's a big shiny scary gun, not because they know how to fight. Because people who know how to fight know that it isn't a weapon you fight with. When a military spends a large chunk of money designing something and then discards it, that's a sign that it does not actually function as intended.
That's true, its design honestly seems like a 'look what we made and you didn't!' in my eyes. And you do make a good point, I sure as hell wouldn't want one in a gunfight if I had any other options. They're fun for a range, most definitely, but other than that, not so much. And as for the accuracy, not many pistols have the accuracy to work well outside of 50 feet, because they weren't designed for anything more than that. Sure, if you practice and get very skilled with them you can hit out further, but they were made for close range and last resort use.

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Post by IncoherentOrange on Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Supposedly, many D. Eagles are actually made in .357 or .44 instead, y'know, so people can use them and get ammunition for 'em.

(Sources: Jagged Alliance 2, FO2, Wikipedia.)
I see Mosin-Nagant rifles going for less than a hundred and forty bucks, in related news. Put into perspective with airsoft guns, you've got a high-powered, combat-proven workhorse rifle that's cheaper than three quarters of the market. I find this funny.
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