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Post by Somber on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:23 am

I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
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Post by Sindri on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:28 am

Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
Anypony live near Fallon and have a spare couch?
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Post by swicked on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:37 am

Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
If that's true, I really want to see P-21 have his own little Blackjack moment in which something is happening that he finds fundamentally unacceptable and throws everything and the kitchen sink into stopping it. Probably saving someone... Scotch, Blackjack, someone. That'd be cool. I wanna see some steel from him once he's back on his feet hooves.

And ouch with the apartment thing. It's a buyer's market, though, so I'd think the chances are good you'll be able to find something in your price range...

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Post by iLateralGX on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:40 am

Sindri wrote:
Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
Anypony live near Fallon and have a spare couch?

Unfortunately I don't think that would work on Cloudsville, not nearly enough outreach. You would probably have a lot more luck on the MLP subreddit if you were seriously contemplating asking for a place to stay via the internet. It has happened more than once there.
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Post by WavemasterRyx on Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:25 am

Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
P-21 is really an incredible pony.

And I really hope you'll be okay, sir. Please just try to take care of yourself. We're here for you as much as we can be. *hugs you tight*
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:02 am

Sindri wrote:
swicked wrote:Regarding P-21, what really eats at me still, after all this time, is that thing that fortune teller told P-21 so long ago. That his story was already over.
If his story is over, if all the big important duties are left to other ponies... he's truly free. Not just out of slavery, not just out of 99, but free to do whatever he wants. Which then causes him to voluntarily follow Blackjack and continue his story, instead of feeling like he's being forced into it and rebelling against the fates or whatever.
I think you have the right end of it there -- I think the fortune teller was being honest, but it's no bad thing. P-21's story is about the escape from slavery, and it was over by the end of chapter 1. That doesn't mean he can't contribute, but the story isn't about him from here on out.
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Post by FeatherDust on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:10 am

Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.
So it's more an internal difference that set him apart, which led to all the other things.

I like to think that, if they hadn't had to leave suddenly under the threat of raider infection and all, some of the males would have come to P21 in secret and said, "Yes, I want to go with you, but don't tell anyone until after we're gone." They only refused because the others were intimidating them, and that only works as long as you're being watched.

Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.
Which was particularly hard for him because HE doesn't think he's a better pony.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:19 am

FeatherDust wrote:
Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.
So it's more an internal difference that set him apart, which led to all the other things.

I like to think that, if they hadn't had to leave suddenly under the threat of raider infection and all, some of the males would have come to P21 in secret and said, "Yes, I want to go with you, but don't tell anyone until after we're gone." They only refused because the others were intimidating them, and that only works as long as you're being watched.
I think it was more likely pressure from the mares. They wouldn't want to lose their stock. Many would have had favorites among those that might have left, and the males weren't going to get the overmare's permission to leave.
I mean, I know the heroes sued for permission for any males to leave that wanted to, but that doesn't mean the mares actually wanted them to and would give them more than token permission to go. I'm just saying that I think most of the intimidation for them not to leave would have come from the mares.

The males hated and killed each other. They were likely secretly pleased several of them died in the raider attack, and hoped more would leave so that they'd get a couple more years of existence.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:25 am

Somber wrote:
In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.

If all else fails, you can try one of those extended stay places while you search. Or a hostel or something like that.

If you're keen to couches for a bit than I suggest couchsurfing.org. It's mainly nice people offering a place for travelers to stay and also for finding new friends in cities. It works really well and many provide references. There's a new people in Fallon at the moment as well.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Somber on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:40 am

Well fortunately Fallon is 90 minutes from where I live, unlike Vegas which is 300 miles away. So I'm moving out in stages. Mom is going to keep my dog since the few apartments I found were not fit for her. She needs an actual yard. So today I'm going back and looking for some apartments that are going to be just me and then next year I can see about finding something more suitable for Panda Bear.
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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:46 am

IncoherentOrange wrote:I know where the 'Warhammer' part of that comes from. The red wunz go fasta, after all.

and yellow/black checker paint on a rocket makes a bigger BOOM
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:07 am

Somber wrote:Well fortunately Fallon is 90 minutes from where I live, unlike Vegas which is 300 miles away. So I'm moving out in stages. Mom is going to keep my dog since the few apartments I found were not fit for her. She needs an actual yard. So today I'm going back and looking for some apartments that are going to be just me and then next year I can see about finding something more suitable for Panda Bear.
Pet pics plz.

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In the interm, 90 minutes isn't super unreasonable, nowadays. Most people where I work have over an hour-long commute. Just ask around if there is a carpool you can join. You might be surprised.


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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:10 am

Somber wrote:Well fortunately Fallon is 90 minutes from where I live, unlike Vegas which is 300 miles away. So I'm moving out in stages. Mom is going to keep my dog since the few apartments I found were not fit for her. She needs an actual yard. So today I'm going back and looking for some apartments that are going to be just me and then next year I can see about finding something more suitable for Panda Bear.

Again, I'm really proud of how well you're doing.
I know it's hard right now and finding a place to live IS tough, but I'm certain you'll find somewhere.

If you're short of money by a small amount, I'm sure any one of us would be happy to help! We're here for you, remember that.
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Post by O. Hinds on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:29 pm

@Silentcarto:
How on Earth did you place the thread opener so well?

Somber wrote:I like to think that P-21's difference was he refused to succumb. He had a plan to escape and even if he failed he'd not give in. He wasn't going to let them just kill him like an animal, nor was he going to submit meekly. His refusal, one last FU to the overmare and 99, set him apart. His lover knew he had it in him to be more than what 99 told him he was.

Once he was out, he realized that there had to more to life than simply enduring. He followed BJ to learn what that thing was. He knew it had to be more than violence because 99 had been full of violence. For a time he thought it might have been priest, but then priest was taken from him. Then he had Scotch Tape, and he realized that in being a parent he could be more than simply a pony that hadn't given in yet. Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.

In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
Oh dear. I hope that things get better.
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Post by Kattlarv on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:53 pm

@O.Hinds (Meatlocker) Ah, okay. Well, Styg really didn't give a shit about "keeping the secret", which technically made a large chunk of the... was it the "canon" or alternate ending they were talking about stuff? Or I dunno, trailing off here. But that does actually give them what... 1-2 hours more max of socializing, technically just dancing, but it'd loosen up things a bit. Still, it's overly stupid how chill Psycho was with getting to hear Styg had slept with BJ before, (and especially her first action in response being to praise/defend his dick. It'd be like having her defend that BJ didn't "cowardly kill"... Sanguine or whomever, she bravely defeated them in a honourable duel, and which amazing skills she used in it. Or heck, replace BJ with Sanguine, whomever with Priest, and Psycho with P-21, that is partially how I see the situation. Cept Psycho seems to have an overly blind infatuation over Styg. One to the level she'd gladly kill his sister, or like, her own hypothetical baby, (or hypothetically Sanguine) if Styg just asked her.) making them... slit sister? pussy pals? there's really no good word for that xD But yeah. That and the whole "you know better than your brother" was just things that derped me the most about that, from what I can remember atm. And do'h, I trail off too easily ^^'

@Mele:
Spoiler:
-Name: I know, but it was never explained why he did it, at least not what I recall. That's what I was talking about. Yes, he named her that, but he could just as well have named her Slagathor for all he cares.

-Golden: Yes, it doesn't mention all the shit he did, nor the sexual abuse to Fluttershy. But it neither doesn't mention him at all. She knows nothing about him, at all. BJ just randomly stated one day: By the way, your unknown father/parent wanted to name you whisper!" No sure where in her "recovery" state she was in at that time, but she apparently for some reason took it enough to heart to remember it. As said, it is basically as if someone mentions to an orphan that "By the way, your father/parent wanted to name you Fernando Bobsson. And yes, some orphan might be overly inspired by the somehow and change their name as soon as they got the chance, I am just personally perplexed by it.

-Sanguine/Golden: Ah, okay, I was just unsure which of them took out the "aborted" semi-fetus without telling Fluttershy about it. And again, I still don't see why she wanted to get pregnant. She was way to stressed out to handle a pregnancy.

-Name, again: I see. I guess that kinda makes sense. But as said, the latter does not really do that.

-Names yet again: Whisper didn't do anything, she was nothing, is nothing, it's only fits for a blank slate of a seeming meek person, which Psycho picked to adopt. It's the name given to her by Blackjack, someone she just found out "cheated" on her current love interest less than 3 days ago, which she as said, dismissed in favour of defending his cock, rather than her own honour, since it was apparently much more important to her. "Whisper" has about as little to do with her as Slagathor has. Cept that one as said, will constantly remind her of Blackjack, and what could have been... aka: her early death before she was born. I just don't see it as a very "cheerful" name to pick. Sorrow, regret, fear and weakness.

-Relation: In either case, she still did very stupid things. And yes, I know many can be excused due to her being incredibly emotionally unstable and desperate. And yes, it happens in bad fiction, which is exactly why I dislike it. Almost everywhere, it is set up to fuck up and fall on itself. They at best have around 15-30 % chance to even make it work for more than a few weeks. Then a perhaps 50-50 chance to work long term. Since their strongest "hook" together is "plot convenience" and "in the name of love". Since just for starters, how happy would you be to hear your new girlfriend you've known for 3 days had fucked your brother, twice, the day you first met? Then easily moved onto you 3 days later. Now, it's not as bad as a "woman in refrigerator", nor the "pixie girl", but it's not overly far from it. As said, the main problem I have about this is the constant flow of "natural 20's". Yes, you COULD get 20 of them in a row, but what the the fucking odds? Apparently around 90 % since it happens all the time. It's the whole "It COULD happen, thus it does" that ticks me off. Another example of that is that yes, BJ COULD be submissive, (that is a partially decent chance though), she COULD have a 20'th century social viewpoint in a stable run by something FAAAAAAAAAR from said viewpoint, she COULD "count male", despite being raised in a society that is all about the female, and I could go on for quite a while, but as said, those are my most prominent problems, and I've ranted enough on this. It's cliché and glued on for the sake of being there. Plus, as said, this indicates Psycho never, ever had either (or both of) a relationship or sex in her entire life. And how old is she again, somewhere between 16-25 at least I'm guessing... anyhow, which brings us back to Somber's+Kkat's "They aren't made of stone.", indicating the mane six needed to fuck, which in Somber's case needed to be that he graphically described that each of the mane six not pair with someone, was required to have sex with this major plot element character for whatever reason, so I could include both of them in a scene and yadda yadda, love interest. Yet, we would be left with quite a lot of character's that "are" made of stone (Gorgon, you do not count) from the seem of it. We never really got the age of Styg, but he seemed to be a bit older than 20 at least. Which would currently leave us in the back of my head with Rampage, Psycho and Styg being "old" characters, that haven't had sex for whatever reason. Firstly, for Psycho, this would seem very stupid, unless she was given anti-hormone things or something by Sanguine, which would explain her sudden outburst of sexual craving as it'd all her at once now. And in Rampages case, it would lead to her going ~20-40 years without sex after breaking free, then a one night stand with Priest as she was in heat, then none other than that. And yes, Rampage is quite messed up in general, but from what we've been told, she hasn't deal with "her problems" yet, and "sex" amasses to her paying a female hooker to hold her as she cries. Erf, I need to become better at formulating my stuff. But as said, so far many things have followed a "schedule" of tropes (though, some hasn't, but many of the most generic/stereotypical ones have), I'd love to see some actual intrigue, or character development, but that will most likely not happen.

-Rampage: Yes, she have. But it'd still mean she helped Psycho get over enough of stuff (or not enough possibly) to be willing to let go of the control of her life and just take a leap in an unknown direction with someone she just have imbalanced hormonal feelings for.

-Meatlocker: Ah, yeah, I thought he waited outside as said, to preserve some of the "secret", but apparently he really don't give a shit about his people's laws and whatnot. (the tropes are just stacking as said...) And yes, that does greatly increase their 1-3 hours to perhaps even up to 8-15 hours or so. So yeah, the might have around "first date" knowledge from a blind date. But as said, this still makes both characters incredibly horny, and that never really showcased on Psycho before, just like BJ's new-found, apparent love to boast about how good her partners were to avoid attention of how she actually performs, which she totally does often, but only now did for the first time, despite having sex a couple of times before..

-Rant: It is not just that, but Somber has before, REPEATEDLY spoiled big events, prior or coming. And also, this is a problem with Somber's writing. "GM knowledge", she writes things that makes sense to her. Not relevant to this, but I can give a RPG example: "What? The little girl betrayed us? Why? - Ah, but you should have known you couldn't trust her, she did after all grown up in an orphanage, and was beaten by her female caretaker and sexually abused. And she has a fear of canines, so it was only natural that she would distrust and double cross your female ranger with a canine companion, since you reminded her of her old caretaker, and though you were just another one coming to take her back! - ... how the fuck were we supposed to know this? You never ever mentioned this before! You just introduced the characters as a scruffy child on the street, very eager and helpful to accept our protection and trade knowledge in exchange for supplies!" aka: things Somber know but haven't said makes the story work for her, while said things not being told, makes us confused. And yes, explaining it afterwards is rather nice, since then we actually get to know why x happened. But when reading the story, it doesn't make sense. Anyhow, spoiler wise, yes, many of what Somber says is "good spoilers", but like.. whomever it now was said: Some thing are "major spoilers" that impact the story. Knowing Glory was supposed to die, that was something interesting, that didn't affect the story, as it was "alternate ending", being told ex: Charity is Spike's daughter, or "Rampage will flip and kill Scotch, to death, until she dies.", those are chapter spoilers we don't want. It's like, have you seen that comic where people walk out the Cinema going "Man, I can't beleive Darth Vader was Luke's father" or whatever. Somber does this prior, so it's like you are sitting with anticipation to see the new Harry Potter (and haven't read the book) and in the intro it states ex: "Snape/Dumbledore is going to die." Or "Ron will end up marrying Hermione". And erf, again, I am trailing off. But at times, it's like, "And in the next season of game of thrones: X and y is going to die, z will reveal to be q. And house f will be sitting on the throne. While the dwarf will come back successful, after leaving on an epic quest to find an epic sword of stabbing." As said, Somber has revealed major plot elements before, got nagged on, apologized, did it again, repeat. Just putting such things behind the "spoiler" would simply solve that. Or I dunno, I am rambling right now. Sorry if I offended someone. I'm failing to help.

@Somber: Grats. Good to hear you got the job. Hopefully no morons will mess with you this time.

@EP: (Batponies) I know, or think I mentioned it before. But I still laugh at that technically, they would/should genetically have sent out "hunting packs" with mares to either rape (safest) or generally just find decent specimen of males and "collect" genetic material from them xP

@Silent: (shotguns) Depends, mainly on which type, and which reference you are going to use it with, I can get "Miss" in there in quite a few ways xP

@Robo: (Animation) Like said before, I possess novice animation skills, but can't draw for shit :P

@Wave: - Yeah, 4'th ed messed up a lot of things. Like removing "out of combat" skills. Almost entirely. They made it an MMO more or less.
- It was quite interesting. And I was good at turning a... "blind eye" at what some of my party members were doing xD

@Feather: (P-21) I'd like to discuss stuff, but my mind is rather blank right now. Having a burn out, and can barely even think of it fic wise. Though, I don't think I ever delt with much depth in that...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Cptadder on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:58 pm

FeatherDust wrote:OK, new topic for discussion: What makes P-21 unique? When given the chance, all the other males refused to leave 99. Why?
Keep in mind P-21 was a special case for three reasons in my mind.

1. P-21 had drive, not everyone gets an idea into their head and spends forty three years building a castle in their backyard and then along comes some guy who says... my backyard needs a Castle in it. P-21 had the drive necessary to do a lot of things despite the drugs, the abuse and the indoctrination. In fact I suspect drug free chapter 50 P-21 is going to start building a castle of his own now, not a literal castle but some project or purpose to devote himself to that will take up the rest of his life as learning the skills to escape from the hell that was Vault 99 was.

2. P-21 had an excellent reason to leave once the old overmare died. He might have taught himself those skills to escape from medical or steal a few free hours for himself when he was younger but when the young Overmare took over and turned him into her special trick pony and mechanical rape devices started to get involved, well when one has free time and lots of drive who wouldn't want to get the hell out of dodge quickly.

3. P-21 met two special ponies along the way, Duct tape who treated him well and his old special some pony who's number I don't remember who showed him love and affection. Until then he was just as faceless to the mares as they were to him.

So he has drive, he has purpose, he has something to escape and he has known loss, Vault 99 is a constant reminder of what he lost every day he lived here, every time his will slacked he could see the bed his old special somepony used to habit, every time he's down in maintenance he could see his child even if he mentally won't acknowledged her, his subconscious is shouting at him. Why not leave?


swicked wrote:Regarding P-21, what really eats at me still, after all this time, is that thing that fortune teller told P-21 so long ago. That his story was already over.
I still wonder what his story was, then. If she was just BSing him for annoying her or if he really is so expendable in the eyes of fate.

Especially since BJ's prophesier dream contradicts it, alluding to the idea that he is capable of taking over hoofington and, by extension, the wasteland. That's a pretty big deal and not at all indicative of his story being over.

Sigh...
I despise fortune tellers on general principle because by their existence they deny free will. If it is possible to know what will come then what will come must come. I'm referring of course to traditional fortune tellers not Jedi like "always in motion is the future", the ones who say hail the future King of Scotland I'll instantly have the future King shipped to Australia just to spite the old soothsaying witches. So when the fortuneteller tells P-21 his story is over I hope dearly that a boat drops on them and that P-21 does go on to become Prime Minster of the Distillery. Not because I have evidence or a good theory but I just hate all prophecy in general.

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In other news... searching for an apartment didn't go well. Had a little melt down. Better now. Just... alot going on right now.
Some advice from someone who's been renting for over a decade now.

Look at everything minus only one or two caveats
For example you have pets, go into apartment finder or apartment finder set "allows pets" set X miles away from the job location or geographic area you want to be near and your price range.
Ideally you should not find the apartment of your dreams, you want to find fifteen to forty apartment places that you are going to look at in person.

Bring a friend along to apartment block the agent
There should be a second person who should be the soul of cynicism, you just be yourself but your friend who is with you is to free you up to really look the apartment over

Open everything
Open every closet, turn on every light, turn on all the taps and open up every cupboard, what your looking for simple, mold... mildew...and things that seem off.

Dress well
Business casual is a good middle ground, no need to break out the interview suit but you want to look clean, smell good and have had a haircut and shower within the last two weeks. Smart clean looking individuals get discounts mentioned to them and get nicer more helpful agents who are more open with information.

I have more advice but if you want more tips and tricks you'll have to buy my book. Luna Or just drop me a pm or email because I can literally write ten pages worth of information collected over the years and I don't want to if I don't need because your already confident you know what's what. The Internet anonymous aspect can reduce some people like myself to treating everyone as the "before" person in those commercials for "As seen on TV" kitchen products.

FeatherDust wrote:
Somber wrote:
Scotch is his chance to be a better pony. And now, he's taken that chance.
Which was particularly hard for him because HE doesn't think he's a better pony.
Self hate is a hard thing to overcome but time dulls all edges.

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Somber wrote:Well fortunately Fallon is 90 minutes from where I live, unlike Vegas which is 300 miles away. So I'm moving out in stages. Mom is going to keep my dog since the few apartments I found were not fit for her. She needs an actual yard. So today I'm going back and looking for some apartments that are going to be just me and then next year I can see about finding something more suitable for Panda Bear.
Pet pics plz.
Everyone loves pet pictures.
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Post by Cptadder on Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Oh and for those who want to lose six more hours and have managed to escape from TVTropes there's always Cracked.com
Ten worst as seen on TV adds
You click one article you read it, oh look four more at the end let me just click that one and then suddenly it's Friday and you've forgot to get up for two days.

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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:14 pm

YOU... YOU... MONSTERS.

I just got sucked into TV tropes for some time -.-



Good news is, I came out with six different tropes to boot that fall in line with my story, no doubt more if I look further.
Quite interesting to see that what I've been writing has a good explanation and such.
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:18 pm

Kippershy wrote:YOU... YOU... MONSTERS.

I just got sucked into TV tropes for some time -.-



Good news is, I came out with six different tropes to boot that fall in line with my story, no doubt more if I look further.
Quite interesting to see that what I've been writing has a good explanation and such.

Troping as a writer is tons and tons of fun. I just got onto Cracked for about half an hour. I've escaped for now, though.
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Post by Caoimhe on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:19 pm

TVTropes makes me feel hack as fuck as a writer. :(
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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:26 pm

What do you mean? Because you can find the stuff you've written described as a trope or because you can't figure a way to use a lot of different tropes / don't think of using them?


If it's because you can find what you have written as a trope without knowing it's a trope - don't fret. There's only four types of stories anyway, and there's only so much you can do with words to make a successful sentence that conveys its intended meaning.
You can't be utterly and entirely original AND successful because it just doesn't work... these things are tropes because they're popular to use and they're popular to use because they work.



Anyway, don't feel bad just because of TVtropes.
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Post by swicked on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:43 pm

I'm not sure what the draw of tv tropes is, honestly. Maybe because I don't really write...

At the very least, 99.99% examples for a given trope are shows, movies, etc. I've never even heard of. I'm just not curious enough about this kinda stuff...

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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:50 pm

swicked wrote:I'm not sure what the draw of tv tropes is, honestly. Maybe because I don't really write...

At the very least, 99.99% examples for a given trope are shows, movies, etc. I've never even heard of. I'm just not curious enough about this kinda stuff...

because I do write, it's interesting for me to see what tropes I've written without realising it.
It also occasionally gives me an idea on what I could do, flexing the trope to my own purposes and such.
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:54 pm

I second Kipper's point. It's fun to find out you've averted x, subverted y, and used z in a peculiar way.
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Post by O. Hinds on Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:55 pm

swicked wrote:At the very least, 99.99% examples for a given trope are shows, movies, etc. I've never even heard of. I'm just not curious enough about this kinda stuff...
That can be nice, though, if one's looking for something new; TVTropes can be used to get a good prediction of whether or not one will like a particular work without having to try it first.
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Post by Downloaded Skill on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:00 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
swicked wrote:At the very least, 99.99% examples for a given trope are shows, movies, etc. I've never even heard of. I'm just not curious enough about this kinda stuff...
That can be nice, though, if one's looking for something new; TVTropes can be used to get a good prediction of whether or not one will like a particular work without having to try it first.

Eeyup. I never would have started watching ponies or learned about FO:E and PH without TvTropes. Also found some interesting Anime through it.
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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:11 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:I second Kipper's point. It's fun to find out you've averted x, subverted y, and used z in a peculiar way.

Exactly. Like learning a certain thing I have planned isn't Deus Ex Machina - but rather, a Chenkovs Gun Deus Ex Machina/Contrived coincidence
(Which is a hell of a lot better a writing technique then a standard D.E.M... though it never was going to be a HUUR DUUR RANDOM SHARK OUT OF NOWHERE type thing)
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Post by IncoherentOrange on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:23 pm

I found it humorous that my fic had a literal Chenkov's Gun.
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Post by Kippershy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:35 pm

I wonder if there's a trope called Chenkov wants his gun back - where you put in a Chenkovs gun only for it to malfunction when it's attempted to be used. LOL



Anyway, Chenkov's Gun and Red Herring's are pretty damn common, though a lot of people don't know what they are/understand them.
Even a friend of mine who writes didn't know what either term meant.
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Post by RoboRed on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 pm

In today's drawfriend:


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Aonee wrote:
jacky2734 wrote:((Aonee, don't make me invent a way to punch you over the internet.))
((If you do, I will invent a Korean technique to block it with someone else's face. And, construct more pylons.))

CamoBadger wrote:((Wow, zebra incest is powerful shit))

Mister Frost's friend, "Darren" wrote:"I'm scared to break up with her, though. Her dad's an ex-marine; if I make her cry he'll club me over the head with a pillowcase full of doorknobs and Tom Clancy novels."

Sindri wrote:This is a thread for fans of a fanfiction of a fanfiction about murderous miniature pastel equines in a grimdark post-apocalyptic future.
If you wanted to stay anywhere near socially acceptable, you should have taken a left turn about three layers of WTF back.

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