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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Caoimhe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:07 am

ketchup504 wrote:
Quotidian wrote:
Wake up late,
paper due,
failed test,
power steering damage,
late shift,
good manager dies,
"loss prevention strategy violation"? What the hell is that?
late lunch,
fewer hours next week,
and a broken hand, just to top it off.
...
Have some supportive metaphorical internet hugs.

I couldn't help but read this to the tune of 'We Didn't Start the Fire.'

"Loss prevention strategy violation" sounds like retail nu-speak. I assume someone stole something and Quotidian didn't notice or perhaps something was unlocked. I hate those wordings, it makes accidents sound like felonies.

Regardless that's quite a day, all you'd need is a dog dying and a significant other cheating on you for a Muddy Waters blues ballad. :(
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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:00 pm

So... any pony know the size of the American arms industry and I mean in value like buy sell manufacture value. Billions or trillions I'm sure. Here's a thought if America banned civilian firearm ownership imagine the economic impact the job losses and businesses lost and the basic theft of everyone's property. The guns would be seized without recompense and well I have seen collections ranging in the six figures
Tell me how would it be a good idea?
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Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:16 pm

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:So... any pony know the size of the American arms industry and I mean in value like buy sell manufacture value. Billions or trillions I'm sure. Here's a thought if America banned civilian firearm ownership imagine the economic impact the job losses and businesses lost and the basic theft of everyone's property. The guns would be seized without recompense and well I have seen collections ranging in the six figures
Tell me how would it be a good idea?

The only way I see it happening is if we slowly got rid of it, we just can't take the hit for an all out ban right now, economically speaking.

In my opinion this should have been done away with a LONG time ago.
The second amendment reads - "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

The key word there being militia. This was created during a time when the United States was small and our standing army was not enough to defend ourselves. I believe once we had a standing army worthy of defense the need for a "militia" was just not there so the "right to keep and bear arms" should have gone as well.


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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:24 pm

Eh I interpret it as you have the right to form a militia that is well regulated that defends a free state(ie government) and the right to keep and bear arms cannot be taken. So essentially to me it enables a governmental power to initiate a police force and enables citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

but that was not my question. What is the value of arms industry?
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Post by Sindri on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:29 pm

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:So... any pony know the size of the American arms industry and I mean in value like buy sell manufacture value. Billions or trillions I'm sure. Here's a thought if America banned civilian firearm ownership imagine the economic impact the job losses and businesses lost and the basic theft of everyone's property. The guns would be seized without recompense and well I have seen collections ranging in the six figures
Tell me how would it be a good idea?
First, if having a gun is a crime then only criminals will have guns. There are several nations which have banned firearms, and none of them have seen a decrease in violent crime; in fact the very week that Australia passes its latest round of gun control there was a jump in assaults and murders. Because when anybody could be carrying a gun, a criminal sees every target as a risk; can I rob this person, or will it get me shot? Remove guns from all the honest, law-abiding citizens and the criminals are suddenly safe... especially because they kept their guns.


Even in a completely gun-free society, if such a thing is possible now, the criminals are given an advantage. Because without guns, all combat is done with more primitive weapons, requiring good physical condition and a great deal of skill. Condition and skill that is pretty much automatic to a life of crime, but not to the average peaceful life. Guns are terrible, but they are also the great equalizer. When they have a pistol in their hand, there is not much difference in capability between a hardened thug and a grandmother.

As for the right to bear arms, the original purpose was less to defend the nation against outside aggressors, and more to defend the citizens against a corrupt government. The founding fathers had just escaped one tyrannical rule, and they set out from the beginning to prevent their nation from becoming one. Free speech, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to refuse to quarter or feed soldiers... most of the initial bill of rights was written with the express purpose of allowing the people to fight their rulers if it became necessary. Because in the view of the founding fathers of the United States (and basically no other rulers ever) it is not only the right but the duty of a people to rebel if their nation ceases to serve them.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 pm

Thank you for that well thought input Sindri.
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Post by Admiral Stoic Rum on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:35 pm

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:Eh I interpret it as you have the right to form a militia that is well regulated that defends a free state(ie government) and the right to keep and bear arms cannot be taken. So essentially to me it enables a governmental power to initiate a police force and enables citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

but that was not my question. What is the value of arms industry?

Then again a state is also a collection of people...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:50 pm

I find myself in total agreement with sindri.
I honestly wish more citizens concealed and carried and guns were allowed in more places... with the exception of bars, as you really don't want drunks with guns.
If this is at all in response to the batman movie shooting, most (maybe all) theaters have warnings at the front stating that firearms are not allowed inside. If one person in that theater other than the gunman had had a gun the whole ordeal could have been stopped so much quicker. Instead, he was about to be fairly confident that all he'd be facing was targets until the police showed up.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:53 pm

Sindri wrote:

It may not be a problem with the guns though, but the mentality of the people that use them, or regulations, I am not sure. However I think the United States is just too gun crazy.

Using this and this I was able to find out that in 2009 there were 15,241 homicides in the US from guns. In Australia, there were only 30. Even adjusting for population differences (Australia has roughly 7% of the population of the US and 7% of 15,241 is 1067 WAY above only 30) that is still a 3400% increase in deaths in the United States from guns. While we probably will never see guns disappearing from the US I think making it a bit more difficult to obtain one might be wise.
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Post by Kippershy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:16 pm

Public announcement because of the hilarity it may bring:

Ryx - you fuckin' complain about what I've just done, and I'll slap you before hugging you. Got it?


Somber - do you want ArmA2 for free?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kippershy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:35 pm

Oh, 'spose I should also mention that I gave a copy to Katarn, just to seem even more generous and build up the lulz.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ki-Tarn on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:36 pm

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:What is the value of arms industry?

Well from the link in the other reply the approximate value of Import/Export of small arms and ammo is: US $1,585,242,738 / US $689,170,603 back in '09. In 2007 the estimated number of privately help small arms was 270 million.

As to outlawing them I don't ever see it, we tried something like that with the Prohibition of alcohol back in 1919 (18th amendment) and that failed so badly they repealed it in 1933 (21st amendment).
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:40 pm

iLateralGX wrote:
Sindri wrote:

It may not be a problem with the guns though, but the mentality of the people that use them, or regulations, I am not sure. However I think the United States is just too gun crazy.

Using this and this I was able to find out that in 2009 there were 15,241 homicides in the US from guns. In Australia, there were only 30. Even adjusting for population differences (Australia has roughly 7% of the population of the US and 7% of 15,241 is 1067 WAY above only 30) that is still a 3400% increase in deaths in the United States from guns. While we probably will never see guns disappearing from the US I think making it a bit more difficult to obtain one might be wise.

That doesn't prove anything, unless you're trying to imply that there are fewer murders in Australia due to the level of difficulty in obtaining legal small arms makes it too difficult to kill a person.


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Post by Ki-Tarn on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:53 pm

iLateralGX wrote:
While we probably will never see guns disappearing from the US I think making it a bit more difficult to obtain one might be wise.

There are hundreds of laws already on the books for making legal sales difficult but if you ignore them as criminals do one can purchase a firearm in less than an hour if they know who to buy from.
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Post by RandomBlank on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:00 pm

There are countries where citizens don't have guns, almost at all, and the violent crime level is nearly zero (Switzerland) and there are ones where it's rampart (Great Britain). There are countries where most of populace is armed, and violent crime is nearly zero (Israel) and ones where almost every citizen has guns and crime is a total scourge of the society (South Africa).

So the answer is there is no direct correlation between availability of guns and level of crime either way, and both sides twist the fact and make up false dependencies when arguing their side.

Neither taking all the guns away nor making them available to all will much affect the crime level unless a change in mentality of the society follows. And neither side argues better social education and ostracising violent behaviours.



There are hundreds of laws already on the books for making legal
sales difficult but if you ignore them as criminals do one can purchase
a firearm in less than an hour if they know who to buy from.

Still, black market guns are formerly legally purchased guns. In countries where guns are nearly unavailable to common citizens, only elites of the crime world afford guns - and they use them to secure themselves from each other, it simply costs too much to buy a black market gun to use it in shop robbery...

Of course if the black market is nearly saturated, taking guns away from citizens won't help at all... the milk has been spilt already.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:03 pm

No offense, iLateralGX, but the idea that creating laws will help discourage people that are already breaking the ones you already have... it just doesn't make sense to me.
RandomBlank wrote:Neither taking all the guns away nor making them available to all will much affect the crime level unless a change in mentality of the society follows. And neither side argues better social education and ostracising violent behaviours.
Actually, that was my point. America is violent.

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Post by Sindri on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:04 pm

RandomBlank wrote:There are countries where citizens don't have guns, almost at all, and the violent crime level is nearly zero (Switzerland) and there are ones where it's rampart (Great Britain). There are countries where most of populace is armed, and violent crime is nearly zero (Israel) and ones where almost every citizen has guns and crime is a total scourge of the society (South Africa).

So the answer is there is no direct correlation between availability of guns and level of crime either way, and both sides twist the fact and make up false dependencies when arguing their side.
Nobody's saying that gun control is the only factor, and it's difficult to determine the exact effect with so many variables. But when a country outlaws guns, keeps everything else the same, and violent crime rates double in a month, I call that correlation.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:26 pm

[quote="swicked"]
iLateralGX wrote:
Sindri wrote:

It may not prove anything, but Australia does have much more strict regulations on firearms, they also have much lower death rates from firearms. Same thing goes for the UK and a lot of Europe if you use that website as a reference. I think tighter regulations could only be beneficial. Give people that are more likely to use it for defense a gun as opposed to anybody who walks in and has a pulse and an ID (In some, but not all states). I have no problem with somebody who is responsible taking a gun anywhere they choose. I do have a problem with the crack addict down the street being able to purchase one because he has an ID. Obviously an exaggeration, but the point stands.

Also those were deaths from ONLY guns. Not all homicides put together. That figure would be much MUCH higher for both countries. I am merely implying the amount of people that should not have guns (because they are likely to use them for violence) in the US but are able to buy them is beyond stupid. Yes I am also implying, to put it blunt, Americans are more likely to be stupid with their guns. I am by no means pointing the finger at ALL Americans. There are plenty who are very responsible with their firearms, my uncle being one of them. I just don't want people who have the intent of massacre or crime in mind to be able to easily obtain a firearm.

Of course I would personally just like to see guns gone all together, but that will NEVER happen.

@swicked I want to keep those with intent of breaking the laws gun free. I know it is east to break the concealed weapon without a permit law and then walk in to someplace and open fire. My intent is to make it difficult for someone with that mentality to be able to do so.

tl;dr Americans are violent, and it should be harder than being 21 and having an ID to buy a gun.
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Post by Kattlarv on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:29 pm

@Swiched: (Triggers)
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I was referring to female arousal, it usually requires both physical and mental sync to properly work.

@iLat: (Somber) Once again to put it out there: "he" would be referring to the physical body, "her" is the author that writes the fic. I tend to use "Somber" or gender neutral term (they, them, etc) when I'm not sure which to adress :P
And managed to do that somewhat. I don't really like food though, humans need to eat so much...

@Katarn: (Somber) I know, but if I recall right, the question asked was aimed to the author.

@Mele: (me) I can't recall exactly what I wrote, but the argument thing wasn't aimed at you. Here people actually have a brain as said. Some of the "arguments" I've gotten against me have been ex: to circumcise my vulva, since it's too big, and I should strive to look like a porn star, since that's what's "beautiful" and normal. Or that I should "grow up and act mature, like a real woman", I am not feminine, I don't wear make-up, nor have interest in purposefully and permanently injuring my feet, nor being obedient. Or to "be normal", fit in with my "group" they want to assign me too.

And what firstly piss me off about that, is it's something they expect, yet don't even consider the possibility of having to change how they are one bit. I've seriously several times seen people with a stick up their ass demand and expect people to change to fit their needs, not even once even seeing it as an option to compromise. I just hate narrow minded people... erf, trailing off a bit here, still not in mental tip-top. So will be rambling a bit till then, more than usual I mean. (But do know I'm tired of the "Eh... it'd just be easier for the rest of us if you just adapted to doing it incorrectly, we cba to start doing it properly" act I run in to ever so often. And as said, what annoys me the most is that they never, ever even bother to see it from my PoV, since "it is as it is"... a easy comparison would be if the goddess/red eye/Golden/Sanguine/whoever became a slave, that would be a position they never could see themselves in, it would just not compute. They are far to important, they are on top, why should they bother thinking how it is for those that ain't?)

@Mala: (Hugs) Thanks... and it doesn't. That was mainly just irl, I'm uncomfortable with it due to... reasons...

@Cai: (Sexual identity and etc) Tbh, it would be amusing to have you and whatnot to try and analyse me or my work hehe. So far most have just said I'm ... "unique" in my way of thinking.
Oh, and have to say, it's rather neat you work with that.

@OAC: (Me) Thanks. I'm really not sure how useful my actual venting is, I seem to be able to suppress stuff back to normal a few hours later. But might be due to venting as well... and dunno, might could try and coax/pry stuff out of me heh... I gotta say though, once I stop shivering from these things, I get quite the inspiration to write with. Already 20 k + letters down... or is it words? what does it count again? ... might have to make this 3 chapters of technical-canon-rape heh. And it's okay. I've chosen to not deal with it on my own volition, I'll deal with it later.

Oh, and for those whomever read the P-21 fic: (or likes weird, random information in general) Recently found this:
Spoiler:
that was basically Daisy, strength wise.

@Sindri: (Me) I'm not sure how much help anyone but me technically can be, but I'm not sure if I'm capable of doing even that. Erf... and I have, most response I've gotten so far is that they believe I am suffering from depression,that I just see/have a vast "void" of hope/pointlessness as my overall world perspective... and a very annoying "And you're sure you don't see yourself as male?/Have gender identity issues?" just due to how I act, and how I do some things. Stupid gender norms... but mainly, I have the same problem there as anywhere, I dislike to open up or bother others with my problems, so one had to basically "pry/coax" information out of me. You recall that GloryJack bed scene I gave the idea for? (or at least mentioned, and it turned out in the chapter) That's not too far from my mental state in any matter heh... (hypothetically, not literally.. or well... ) ah well. will see where this leads. Currently under a few different "evaluations".

@Quo: (Me)
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(Also, sorry for being lazy and just having space between replies) I've actually read quite a bit about psychology, and wanted to become one for a while, but just "meh" right now. (and I lacked empathy and social competence)
I can say though, I mainly avoid talking about it since I don't want to bother others with my problems, or as said "be an attention hog". Most my problems technically only I can solve anyhow, like not moving enough, eating good enough, taking care of my body etc. But as said before, I'm not sure if I could handle that. I currently don't eat enough as a way of derailing my mental depression as it pushes that aside to focus on more important stuff, like being hungry. If I fixed that, what would I have left but possibly just feeling sad? ... and as said, most I do seems to be unappreciated, or even despised, for not being "what it should be".

None of my irl friends knows I'm depressed though. And about half my online do. And I wouldn't want to have to use them as sinks, especially not when it happens often in a week. Mostly I just lash out at random people online that actually are intelligent, since they managed to actually talk to me, so often it's at the wrong person I snap at.

And can say I mainly used "masks" since I recall that from psychology class.
I'm mostly just pent up anger and ... resentment I think it'd be. But yeah... the world is really blargh.
And I try to fuck it... metaphorically I mean. But I'm not overly good at it. I care to much.

And I'm mainly trying to avoid "promoting" my stuff to a minimum. Since it's really relevant, ok well, it's technically a spin-off of PH, but that's beside the point. Due to the content. Since in the first, finished one: P-21 gets raped, repeatedly. (pre-wasteland prologue, I think it'd be called) And this current one is Psycho going on a rape and killing spree. Likely ooc, both of them, but tried somewhat to be IC. Anyhow, my general worry was that I was writing about the Psycho fic, and I was enjoying the content, kinda getting a tad bit... too "into character"... at least I have very not me traits in Psycho haha. So yeah... kind of a mix on both.

And thanks. It's mostly irl I mind them.
I can say though, there's quite a few people I don't think deserve living... or be chained up in a dungeon... and I know, it does annoy very many though. Not that I expect myself to care about what they think though. I won't change to fit what they think I should be. And oh yeah... I think I recall you mentioning reading that ^^' And well, as long Somber stays away from it, it's good I think heh. I think the Psycho one might get a few headcanon rabbles heh. The P-21 was a lot easier since well... it was a pre-adult P-21, and it only had to stay mostly on track.
And thanks... most "intelligent/different" people does...

@Swicked: (Spatula) Aw... I need to have a reason to slap people with spatula's?

@Wave: Thanks... I'm just not sure how much it helps for me to vent. I will try to shape up a little though. And I know it's not a crime, it's just my usual mood. And I'm supportive? Anyhow, can just hope to be done with most projects soon... just to enter the pre-post production... blah... ah well.

@Kipper: (Tulpa) ... wat?
Regular NSFW mental derail:
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And here I though I was weird for spending fifteen minutes sloshing around vaginal mucus/lubricant in a half-filled pringles tube, contemplating how each of the mane 6 would react/say to loosing in a "female circle jerk". (with each others) and what'd they'd likely say to the one loosing. Managed to keep me off topic and distracted for a while.


And welp, seems like new chapter is out. Gotta stop my replies here then and wait... and it's really stupid to post this right after a chapter, but ah well. Cba to wait with it for 2-3 days. Those that find it, and wana read my reply, does so.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:38 pm

iLateralGX wrote:tl;dr Americans are violent, and it should be harder than being 21 and having an ID to buy a gun.
See: The Brady Bill

Otherwise what would you suggest? Maybe a psych test? It probably wouldn't hurt.

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Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:56 pm

swicked wrote:
iLateralGX wrote:tl;dr Americans are violent, and it should be harder than being 21 and having an ID to buy a gun.
See: The Brady Bill

Otherwise what would you suggest? Maybe a psych test? It probably wouldn't hurt.

Not ever to be criminal is necessarily already one, that is a huge issue.

A psych test is really all we can do. Background checks for recent trauma, such as divorce and losing a home, since those people are more likely to something bad with their firearms. Once they take their mandatory safety classes there is really nothing else we can do. As I said before it is the American mentality of "Land of the free, that means I am entitled to a gun!" that is the big issue.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:57 pm

ketchup504 wrote:Wake up late,
paper due,
failed test,
power steering damage,
late shift,
good manager dies,
"loss prevention strategy violation"? What the hell is that?
late lunch,
fewer hours next week,
and a broken hand, just to top it off.
...
Have some supportive metaphorical internet hugs.
For some reason my brain started trying to sing this to the tune of "Freeze Ray".

Wake up late
Paper due
Failed a test
What a day

Steering breaks
Schedule screw
Manager
Passed away

But with my freeze ray I will stop... the world...


(I don't mean to make light of your problems, Quot. That sounds like the worst day I've ever heard of that didn't include any major personal tragedies.)

Caiomhe wrote:I couldn't help but read this to the tune of 'We Didn't Start the Fire.'
Okay, glad I'm not the only one... >_<;
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Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:11 pm

iLateralGX wrote:Not ever to be criminal is necessarily already one, that is a huge issue.
Not ever to be innocent is necessary already one, that is a huge issue, too?
Innocent until proven guilty, buddy :P

iLateralGX wrote:A psych test is really all we can do. Background checks for recent trauma, such as divorce and losing a home, since those people are more likely to something bad with their firearms.
I wonder if you'd be in favor of having police make it a policy of taking any legally registered firearms from those that have already had stuff like this happen to them...
I mean, the waiting period exists for a reason, here.

iLateralGX wrote:Once they take their mandatory safety classes there is really nothing else we can do. As I said before it is the American mentality of "Land of the free, that means I am entitled to a gun!" that is the big issue.
...but owning the gun isn't the problem. Unless you've just changed your argument to that.

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Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm

swicked wrote:
Not ever to be innocent is necessary already one, that is a huge issue, too?
Innocent until proven guilty, buddy :P

That is true, however I would be blind to say that every person before a trial was treated 100% fairly before actually proven to be guilty. Realistically we care treated as guilty to proven innocent. Again, not relating to the discussion as whole since you are 100% correct on that.

swicked wrote:
I wonder if you'd be in favor of having police make it a policy of taking any legally registered firearms from those that have already had stuff like this happen to them...
I mean, the waiting period exists for a reason, here.

That would never make it past even majority Dem House or Congress, it impedes onto many rights and a large portion of the populous would not go for it. Especially so since that whole SOPA thing, privacy rights and all.

swicked wrote:
...but owning the gun isn't the problem. Unless you've just changed your argument to that.

People and the current mentality are the problem. I personally want all guns to go bye bye, but that won't happen. So the best I can hope for it to make it harder for one to obtain a firearm.
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Post by SilentCarto on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:28 pm

iLateralGX wrote:As I said before it is the American mentality of "Land of the free, that means I am entitled to a gun!" that is the big issue.
According to the most basic tenets of our country, yes. You are.
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Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:31 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
iLateralGX wrote:As I said before it is the American mentality of "Land of the free, that means I am entitled to a gun!" that is the big issue.
According to the most basic tenets of our country, yes. You are.

I know, unfortunately. It is the root of the problem.
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Post by swicked on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:59 pm

iLateralGX wrote:
SilentCarto wrote:
iLateralGX wrote:As I said before it is the American mentality of "Land of the free, that means I am entitled to a gun!" that is the big issue.
According to the most basic tenets of our country, yes. You are.

I know, unfortunately. It is the root of the problem.
The root of the problem is people killing each other.
RandomBlank's post about how the availability of guns cannot be correlated to the amount of violence in a country demonstrated that perfectly.

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Post by RandomBlank on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:39 pm

The fundamental idea of the US constitution arming the citizens is that once the government becomes criminally corrupt, the People can overthrow it in an armed uprising. That was the primary purpose of the right to bear arms.

Considering handguns available to the public are completely worthless against the modern Army, this tenet is already dead and gun regulation no longer makes sense in the constitutional context... unless you grant the people right to bear nukes.

And considering how the government has exactly became so corrupt it fully deserves to be overthrown in an armed uprising, and hanged on street lamps, they do everything in their power to squash the people's ability for this uprising...
Street crime? Start with making sure media stop glorifying violence, and the racial minorities get somehow forced to stop shunning success through work and praising success through crime. Once people stop believing holding someone at gunpoint for money is a valid way to earn your living, the crime problem will take care of itself. Until then both reducing and increasing access to guns will result only in rise of crime.
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Post by iLateralGX on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:55 pm

RandomBlank wrote:
Street crime? Start with making sure media stop glorifying violence, and the racial minorities get somehow forced to stop shunning success through work and praising success through crime.

Ah the media, I forgot about them. I think the media should follow this man's advice.
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