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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Cptadder on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:25 am

FeatherDust wrote:
Huh. Now I'm starting to wonder if Garnet is personally behind the total destruction of the Marauders. Seems like she's right there every time one of them meets their fate... And now I'm starting to wonder if the failed assassination that killed Big Mac was a failure after all. What if he was the target all along? (Naturally this would require that the assassination be an OIA operation rather than a zebra act, which we have NO evidence for.)
I'm surprised you think this, Garnet's roll is obvious, Garnet is a handler. It's her job to liaison between Administration and Agents. She has authority only over the ops she's directly running but she has no broader power except as sanity checks during ops planner.

We are seeing Garnet over and over again because Somber is not going to introduce ten new ponies all to handle the roll of saying "Good morning Agent your task is as follows". She's an asset of OIA and trusted enough to be put in charge of Partypooper which I'd argue is the most loyalty depend mission in OIA considering it's the outright assassination of the most popular members of the Government in order. There's very few people you can trust to shoot President Kennedy to use an old ops joke.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:26 am

OneMoreDaySK wrote:@Silentcarto So Psalm tried to save them, got carted off, thinking it would get better, and then everything went to heck?
Any guesses for the remaining passwords?
Also, do ya think the starmetal sword is ever going to get a name?
Tried to save who? Psalm and Jetstream were the worst off. I mean, Applesnack and Vanity went on to their own commands and healthy romantic relationships, which indicates that they took the loss pretty well. Twist was certainly affected by losing her friends one by one, but the OIA didn't pick her up in any way, so far as we know -- I've already elucidated my theory about her and Shujaa. Doof never really got the chance to "get over it", but the OIA didn't have anything to do with him before he took a lethal dose of stupid. Echo, we don't know much about, but he seems to have been okay from Bro's emails. Stonewing was shot in the head at the Battle of Hill 255, so I'm not sure he ever found out what happened to Mac before the Gorgon fusion. Or even if that happened before or after Mac's death. Psalm and Jetstream just plain lost it after that, though.

As for passwords, no guesses whatsoever.

I don't think the starmetal sword is going to get a name if it doesn't have one already.

Meleagridis wrote:It's bad villain form to do the legwork yourself. She's too... everywhere to be the big bad mare. But then... Goldenblood does it. If Goldenblood is really the power source for all things conspiracy then Garnet has a license to be the villain.
She doesn't really do any legwork herself. She gets the ministries to do it. I just have the impression that she and the other gemstone ponies were a constant between both directors, someone who could carry on the OIA's plans uninterrupted. After all, someone leaked whatever was bad enough to get Goldenblood deposed -- perhaps he'd become inconvenient in some way?

I'll wager that Horse was nothing but a puppet, told only what he needed to know to believe he was in charge. I detect no loyalty toward either of them from Garnet. She's always the false smile and the word dropped in just the right ear... right up until she shows her true colors to Blueblood when they seal the Redoubt.

I really don't think Goldenblood was deliberately working for the EoS. His behavior and comments in Hippocratic seemed too resigned for that. He was looking at a horrible future and knew he was the only one who could see it; those dedicated to the EoS -- the Harbingers, the Chorus, and the Zebra cultists who almost raised the EoS, for example -- have a madman's sense of something greater to come, not the resignation of a truck driver about to plunge off a cliff without enough time to stop.

FeatherDust wrote:Huh. Now I'm starting to wonder if Garnet is personally behind the total destruction of the Marauders. Seems like she's right there every time one of them meets their fate... And now I'm starting to wonder if the failed assassination that killed Big Mac was a failure after all. What if he was the target all along? (Naturally this would require that the assassination be an OIA operation rather than a zebra act, which we have NO evidence for.)
I doubt it. If this was an OIA op, Psalm was almost certainly the shooter, and if that's the case, her reaction looks more like "Oh god, what have I done" than "Sorry, Mac, orders are orders". As I noted, the OIA wasn't even involved with many of the members' situations, and most of their involvement was opportunistically picking up the pieces.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:26 am

WavemasterRyx wrote:I'll send this to you in a PM too, sir, just in case you miss it, but I really do hope things will turn out alright. If there's any possible way we can help please let us know.
*hugs*:
This. A thousand times this!
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by RoboRed on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:34 am

Aonee wrote:
RoboRed wrote:
Aonee wrote:
Somber, take time if needed, ask us for help if you want it and think we can provide, we would be more than happy to.
*Furiously tries to work magic to summon Crystalane to help Somber*
If anyone could make Somber feel better for certain, it's Crystalene.
*feels compelled to photoshop together an image of Crys hugging Somber pony, but feels frustration realizing the limitations of the Pony Creator. (Maybe Crys patting her with a reassuring hoof?)*
I think a hug, or at least a flying glomp, wouldnt be that hard. Just put Crys behind Simber,and erase her back leg.

I'll think of something. I gotta make something.

WavemasterRyx wrote:
Somber wrote:
I'll send this to you in a PM too, sir, just in case you miss it, but I really do hope things will turn out alright. If there's any possible way we can help please let us know.
*hugs*:

...I think I'll be feeling warm and fuzzy for the rest of the day...

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:47 am

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Kippershy wrote:Oh, unrelated; but did you ever read any more of broken bonds? I found your commentary helpful and hilarious, but haven't seen more from you in a while.
not trying to push you into doing so, just curious is all.

Oh, I absolutely started on the next commentary.
Then Derpmind came on and he was all "Uh! You gotta read all of Murky Number Seven before the 15th or we'll ruin it all for you! *various growling and gnashing of teeth*"

So then I had to stop and do that T_T

I will absolutely get back to that ASAP. I just started the latest chapter.
In the meantime go beat him up. He is a scary bad man.
Sorry for this post being non-sequitur, but I had to rebuild my computer and I've been mostly off-line for the last 2-3 days, and while reading through the backlog I need to immediately say that I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to be scary because when I was making that post I felt all . I know that the spoiler tags flying around were getting ridiculous, but it's definitely not important to read that story for anyone who simply didn't want to. I didn't mean to command anyone to do anything, it was just a suggestion! Sorry.
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The Garnet Chronicles

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:52 am

FeatherDust wrote:Actually, could we get a compilation of all the times Garnet has shown up? I don't have a Big Searchable FoE:PH Document so it'd be a lot of clicking for me... the only two times I really recall were the first Project Chimera success and setting Crazy!Jetstream on course to ... do whatever she did.
I downloaded all the chapters as Word docs, which Windows can search. Lyra
Garnet appears in:

Ch. 6, The Redheart Orb:

What the fuck was going on? Why couldn’t I move? Why couldn’t I talk? Why couldn’t I scream? Instead, I was lying on a couch and reading a newspaper about the continued outcry over the assassination attempt at Brokenhoof. It was as if I’d somehow been shoved into this strange mare resting on the couch. The only thing vaguely familiar was a PipBuck, a far fancier version than my own, strapped to her hoof.

A white mare with graying pink hair stood behind the desk in...an undamaged version of the office I’d just been in? She had a bright red cross on her flank and a white lab coat draped over her shoulders and forelegs. She fidgeted with her pencils on her desk, nudging them back and forth. I looked over at her. “Calm down, Doctor Redheart.”

“Calm down? How can I calm down, Garnet? She’s coming here.” She tapped her hooves against the desktop.

“It is her hospital, after all,” Garnet said, and I could feel her smiling.

Redheart sighed, frowning. “Still, I can’t believe Cheerilee went straight to the Ministry Mare for this! I thought all objections had been dealt with. How could she bring this up now?”

“I’m more impressed that the Ministry Mare is coming all the way here to talk with her about her reservations. It can take days to arrange a conference with Applejack or Rarity. And forget Rainbow Dash or Twilight.” The pony I was in sighed and folded the paper, her sparkling red hooves glittering from her pony pedicure. “They’re almost inaccessible, even for the O.I.A.”

“Are things that bad? I hadn’t heard,” Redheart said in concern.

My host waved a glittering hoof dismissively. “Oh no. I wouldn’t say things are bad. Just… tense right now. Everything would be so much easier if we could just disband the Ministry of Awesome and tuck whatever she’s doing into the Ministry of Wartime Technology. But Luna won’t hear of it.”
[...]
“Cheerilee. So good to see you again. How are things at the education bureau?” my… host?... inquired, rising and giving a polite hug.

Cheerilee seemed quite relieved to have somepony to talk to. “Things are… well… like they are everywhere I suppose. Thank you for working with the Ministry of Image for us, Garnet; sometimes it seems we always get bumped down the priority queue. If it wasn’t for your help, we’d probably never get the materials we need.” Then Cheerilee frowned. “Though, could you please tell them that the Ministry of Peace’s schools don’t need their more… creative… history books? I received a text telling how ancient zebras drank blood and practiced ritual pony sacrifice!”

“Ah, yes. Sometimes the Ministry of Image can get a touch… inventive with their textbooks.”
[...]
Redheart shook her head. “I’m sorry you had to see that.” She put the tissues away and looked to me. “She’s a teacher, and a good one. I think she’d been much happier staying a teacher rather than working with the ministry’s schools.”

Garnet nodded. “I can appreciate her concern. I’m glad she hasn’t found the report of the subjects developing resistances to the sedative over time. Certainly twenty years is a long time, though. It’s not as if we’ll keep them in stasis for centuries.”

“She was right about there being some confusion regarding the spells involved, though. Some of the nursing staff is concerned. There was a memo about spells from the Ministry of Image being involved, but that couldn’t be right.”

“No no. I’m sure that it was an error, Redheart. Some days we can’t tell what’s coming out of the Ministry of Technology and what’s originating with the Ministry of Magic. We just do our best. Still, we’re quite glad to see the Ministry of Peace going ahead with the facility. I’ll try and get more specifics sent your way.”

“Thank you, Garnet. I appreciate it.”

“Oh, don’t worry about it. Oh, just a heads up that Robroco will be here to tie the maintenance robots into the system maneframe. Once their control system is linked to the bots, your nurses shouldn’t have to worry about them causing messes.”

Ch. 19, The Gorgon Orb:

“We’ve got his consent in writing and recording,” the mare with the familiar voice said softly. And then a bright red unicorn mare with a short white trimmed mane stepped into my vision. She wore magenta glasses with glittery plastic frames and a sure smile I didn’t like at all. “Dr. Trueblood’s got the other subject prepared for the megaspell.” A glittery red hoof came to rest on Fluttershy’s shoulder. “We really can’t wait any longer. We’re already committed.”

Fluttershy just looked tense. Her eyes were surrounded by wrinkles. Stonewing made another noise of confusion. Something about this was all wrong, and we both knew it.

The red mare continued softly, “They won’t use your megaspell on the battlefield, Fluttershy. But we can still put it to use to keep ponies safe. That’s what all this is about after all. Keeping ponies safe. And he will be safe, and he’ll be able to keep other ponies safe as well. He won’t even have to kill zebras any more. He’ll stop them with one look. Turn them back with another.”
[...]
I dropped to the floor in a pile of colorful ichor and fleshy goo and slowly turned my head towards the sound of the stomping. The maroon unicorn in the lab coat seemed quite enthused. Meanwhile, Garnet was escorting Fluttershy to the door. I rose to my shaky hooves… feeling a body that was no longer my own. I tried to talk around a serpentine tongue, tried to call out to Fluttershy. I imagined him begging her to turn him back.

Then, with one parting glance over her shoulder, Fluttershy left the room with Miss Redhooves.
[...]
“You said he’d maintain his sapience, doctor!” The mare with the glittery hooves shouted as she returned. “Fluttershy almost saw that!”

The unicorn buck chuckled in delight. “Oh, he did. I’m sure of it. He came right towards me, after all.”

“You’re sure?”

“Oh yes. Project Chimera is a complete success. We simply need more subjects to make the process more efficient. Explore combinations. Trace possibilities.” The doctor chuckled from nearby. “I think we should classify this strain as ‘Gorgon’.”

The glittery-hooved mare spoke from right above me. “I hope you’re right, Doctor. We’re trying to procure more combat personnel for the prototypes. Luna wants war resources, and we’re going to give them to her, though we’ll have to keep billing this as a Ministry of Peace project to keep the others distracted.”

“Ugh. Cloak and dagger intrigues I leave to you, Garnet. Are you going to forward our results to Emerald?”

“Of course, Doctor Trueblood. The M.A.S. should be briefed about the possibilities of flux-accelerated megaspells, and we’re already exploring possibilities with the other ministries.”

“Are you sure that’s wise? Shouldn’t the Ministry of Peace maintain exclusivity?”

Garnet laughed brightly. “Oh, Doctor, then we wouldn’t be able to get away with nearly as much!” I felt magic lift Stonewing’s body as the red pony said softly, “Lets make sure his memory is nice and clean and then put him in storage till we’re ready to duplicate the process.”

I felt a horn touch his forehead through the bag, and everything swirled away.

Ch. 33, The Vanity Orb:

Vanity sighed softly. “I’m sorry, Fancypants. I’m going to look into that right now.” He gave a polite nod to the pair and continued down the hall. Soldiers hauling boxes of ammo galloped by.

He trotted into a study. “What do you mean you’re not coming?! We’ve given you a fortune for this very occurrence!” Blueblood yelled at the terminal on his desk. Like his younger sibling, his mane was shot through with gray. “You can’t do this! I demand to speak to the director immediately, Garnet!” On the screen– a color terminal? I guess it made sense for someone as rich and stuck up as Blueblood to have something like that –was a ruby red mare who wore a decidedly smug smile.

“The director is otherwise occupied, Prince Blueblood. As am I,” the mare said with a snort and an annoyed look that slowly turned malicious. “Save your own ass, Blueblood.”

“You dare-“

Her laugh cut him short. “Of course I dare. I’ve wanted to see this look on your face for years, and now I finally have a chance. By the way, did you like the memo I sent the locals? Have they broken down your door yet?” The crimson mare’s lips curled gleefully. “I hope they all live long enough to string you up.” Blueblood stared at her in stunned silence.

Her dark eyes turned to Vanity, and her sneer faded. “Prince Vanity.”

“Lord Vanity!” Blueblood snapped. “I am the prince of this family.”

Both ignored the seething stallion. “Garnet. Am I correct in understanding that you will not be evacuating us to the Redoubt?”

“That is correct, Prince Vanity. The director apologizes, but he is seeing to other needs of the kingdom.”

“You understand that there are children here?” He didn’t shout; he kept his voice even, low, and calm.

She smiled again. “Certainly, but this is a crisis. We can’t save–“

“There is enough room for thousands, Garnet,” he interrupted, his voice hardening as he stared at the screen. “Are you saying you are leaving children here to die? We can send them to you.”

A dark gray mare ran up behind Garnet. “We have to go! Now!” she said, then darted away.

Garnet sighed, waving a glittering red hoof. “Coming, Onyx.” Then she frowned and then looked back at Vanity. “We’re sealing the Redoubt. I’m sorry. Don’t come here, Vanity. Go die somewhere else.” Then she reached forward, and the terminal went dark.

Ch. 43, The Jetstream Orb:

Then a red mare with glittering red-enameled hooves approached. “Lieutenant Jetstream?”

Her eyes twitched and she bowed her head. “N’more…” she muttered.

“Lieutenant Jetstream?” she asked again, sitting on the bench beside the pegasus. I knew her… from Blueblood’s terminal. The O.I.A. pony… but was she really, or was that just a role I’d cooked up for her? “Lieutenant. I’ve got vital news for you to hear.” The mare took a folder out of her saddlebags and pulled out a picture. “We’ve discovered a critical P.O.W. camp deep in zebra territory.”

“What?” she asked as her glassy eyes focused on the picture.

“These are images we smuggled out of the zebra capital,” the red mare said as she held up pictures of ponies held in a facility similar to Yellow River… only they didn’t look like I’d imagined prisoners to look in such a camp. Too clean. Yet Jetstream looked at them sharply now. “They’re prisoners the zebras have concentrated in Roam. And we’ve identified two particular prisoners. Sergeant Major Big Macintosh and Lance Corporal Stonewing.”

“What?” Jetstream gasped. “How? They… they kept telling me they were dead.”

The red mare nodded sympathetically. “Easier to bury and mourn a war hero than to hear they were abducted in the chaos of the assassination attempt, Lieutenant,” the red mare with the glittery hooves said in low, serious tones. “You were right. You were right, but the government simply dusted off their hooves and forgot about them.”

“Nooo… how could they?” Jetstream shook, sobbing brokenly as she folded the pictures in her hooves. Tears peppered the folded images. “I knew it… I knew it… they couldn’t be dead…” she whispered, then wiped her eyes before looking at the red mare. “But… why are you coming to me? Who are you?” she asked as she stared in shock.

“You can call me Garnet. I’m just a concerned pony working with the ministries who’s come up with a way to bring our boys home. But to do it, we need a mare who’s exceptionally determined; a flier who won’t let anything stop her from reaching the zebra capital.” She sighed, bowing her head. “We’ve tried approaching the Shadowbolts and the army… neither were willing to take the chance.” She looked at Jetstream with conviction. “You’re our last option, Lieutenant. Otherwise, we may never see them again.”

“Rainbow Dash wouldn’t do it?” Garnet shook her head solemnly. Jetstream narrowed her eyes. “Of course not… what’s one more pegasus?” I could see the gaping holes in Garnet’s story, but Jetstream shook as she smiled in bliss. The joy at being needed to do what her mind demanded she do was almost too much for her to bear.

“What do you need me to do?” Jetstream asked as she stared straight ahead. Garnet smiled in satisfaction as she dug out a small hoof-sized talisman. The glyph within glowed faintly; I’d seen them before. Glory had salvaged a dozen of them from a Robronco store back in Flank. A targeting talisman, but this one seemed far more intricate than those had been.

“Get this to the zebra capital and wait. When everything is ready, it will glow. Tap it twice and we will trigger a mass teleportation megaspell to take every pony within ten miles safely back to Canterlot. You don’t need to find the camp yourself. Just stay within the zebra capital and evade capture by any means. It should be charged and ready in four days. You have that long to reach Roam. Can you do it, Lieutenant Jetstream?”

Jetstream didn’t speak. She didn’t need to. With a few photographs, Garnet had given her redemption. Garnet opened up the saddlebag and put the talisman in place. “Here are seven days of rations and some basic equipment to help you evade their patrols. Stay in the city and be careful. Be safe. Be ready for the talisman’s signal.”

The blue pegasus hugged Garnet tightly. “Thank you,” she sobbed. Garnet rolled her eyes and patted her shoulders stiffly. When Jetstream released her, the red mare passed her the saddlebags and then reached down to a small bracelet the pegasus wore on her hoof. It was so small and flush that I nearly missed it; I wondered if it was magically adhered. Garnet touched a talisman to it, and the bracelet popped open. The red mare tossed it into the bushes.

“Good luck,” Garnet said as she pulled out a small case with a button on it. A moment after she pressed it, there were loud bangs in the long horseshoe-shaped building. Colored smoke began to pour out the windows, and fireworks zipped magically through the air, obscuring everything with rainbow smoke. The more delicate patients began to whoop and holler at the bedlam filling the asylum. Without delay, Jetstream launched herself into the air and began to fly to the east.

Rising, Garnet stared at me for the longest time. Then she smiled and shrugged. “Oh well. In four days, it either won’t matter, or it won’t matter.” And humming to herself, she made her way towards the exit.

Ch. 45, The Pinkie Assassination Dream:

Five seconds later it rang again. I stood there for a half dozen rings, then picked it up. Garnet, her voice edged with malice, said immediately, “You’re lucky we’re in the endgame and they’re not a priority, idiot, or I’d have you kill both of them yourself. Partypooper is activated. Your alpha target was Twilight Sparkle, but our sources say she’s in Maripony. So alpha is now Pinkie Pie. After that, confirm that everypony on the list is removed. You’ve taken steps with the M.o.M. hub?”

“Yes, but-“

“Good. Now do your duty, Agent.”

I shuddered. “And then Luna will forgive me?”

“Sure. Whatever. We’ve received confirmation that the Ministries are colluding with the zebras. If we’re quick, we can wrap this up without a slaughter. Now get to it and start eliminating those traitors.” And then the mare hung up.

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Ch. 15, BOOM, Inc. President's Terminal:

Memo #38: Ugh, Sparkler! Where did that AP go? I got MoM and MWT up in my mane and I don’t know what to tell them. I’m sending you some more materials so try and catch up. Who’s our liaison with the OIA? Onyx? Or is it Emerald? Do THEY know where it went? Prez Boomer.

Ch. 26, The Winona Orb:

Horse spoke quickly. “Please, listen to me. I know you love her, but face facts. Winona is old. She’s an exceptional dog: intelligent, loyal, and well trained. Better than a lot of ponies, honestly. And,” he continued in a calmer tone, “as you said, you think somepony is trying to kill you… and I agree. Let me give Winona a fresh new body. Onyx and Glass are both sure they can preserve both her mind and her personality. And she’ll be able to keep your foals and grandfoals just as safe as you.”


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:55 am

Cptadder wrote:I'm surprised you think this, Garnet's roll is obvious, Garnet is a handler. It's her job to liaison between Administration and Agents. She has authority only over the ops she's directly running but she has no broader power except as sanity checks during ops planner.

We are seeing Garnet over and over again because Somber is not going to introduce ten new ponies all to handle the roll of saying "Good morning Agent your task is as follows". She's an asset of OIA and trusted enough to be put in charge of Partypooper which I'd argue is the most loyalty depend mission in OIA considering it's the outright assassination of the most popular members of the Government in order. There's very few people you can trust to shoot President Kennedy to use an old ops joke.
Yes... it's quite obvious, isn't it? She's clearly just a functionary. Anyone who looked at her for even a moment would dismiss her as merely a liason carrying out Goldenblood's -- or Horse's -- orders.

That's why I distrust her.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:03 pm

You know what would be funny for me?
If Somber introduced a pony named "And" or "The" just so that no one could do a word search for instances of the character without going insane.

But, then again, I'm a sadist XD

Edit:
In the Gorgon orb... Emerald?
Is there a possibility that the Garnet might be a code name, and we might have a whole group of gem-based OIA operatives?
“You can call me Garnet." makes me think it might not actually be her real name.

Do we have any reason to believe Psalm might have had a code name? Was there any instance in which Garnet called her Psalm, or could she have been "Agent Onyx" or somesuch?

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Post by Cptadder on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:13 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
Yes... it's quite obvious, isn't it? She's clearly just a functionary. Anyone who looked at her for even a moment would dismiss her as merely a liason carrying out Goldenblood's -- or Horse's -- orders.

That's why I distrust her.
Seems I need to explain a bit more to put that my statement in a bit more context.

Handlers are not hired off the street, you become a handler when your either an agent who's cover has been blown or you've moved over from the technical side.
Intelligence departments are typical organized as follows.

Administration (The people who talk to Congress)
Operations (Black bag people, people who do the things with result in classic movie spy stuff)
Technical (Gadget makers)

These departments are very big departments, administration does not just means secretaries it also means the Country offices. IE in the CIA (And the FSS) there are offices where there are two to a thirty people in cubicles who's job it is to know everything about a country. The head of the Iranian branch for example will be in charge of the country of Iran he will have under him specialists who handle politics, economics, diplomatic relationships and several other subject matter experts (Or multiple experts) depending on how important we deem the country in question. For example the Iceland office is probably less than five people but the Iranian office could be pushing a hundred. These are also the people who respond to Congressional and Presidential requests for information as well as producing the information that other people in Administration will use put together the classified briefings the President and the various cleared Congressmen will read each day.

Operations is a lot more wild and wooly as being it's the department that deals with Agents and Operations it's got to be slightly confusing by default for security. If your in Operations you won't know who's doing what in any of the other teams. This is the department Garnet is in to use our real world to Equestrian example. She could be an early Agent, she could be a transfer from Technical or Administration picked and trained because she's done some field work, she could be Horse or Goldblood's personal bagpony, IE the person you trust to know all you know because you trust in their loyalty and expertise.

Technical does a lot more than build spy gadgets but I'm running this post over long as it is.

My point is from her actions in the various orbs it's clear she's a handler, possibly the personal handler for the director of OIA, whoever that happens to be at the moment.
And as swicked mentioned her name is probably a codename.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:25 pm

If their code names are all gem-based I have to wonder if they have anything to do with Rarity and the Ministry of Image. The OIA and the MoI already have a curious give and take with the conflict between Rarity and Goldenblood in regards to the book.
It's a strenuous connection but, then again, the MoI is considered a bit of a shadow organization as well.

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:33 pm

swicked wrote:In the Gorgon orb... Emerald?
Is there a possibility that the Garnet might be a code name, and we might have a whole group of gem-based OIA operatives?
“You can call me Garnet." makes me think it might not actually be her real name.

Do we have any reason to believe Psalm might have had a code name? Was there any instance in which Garnet called her Psalm, or could she have been "Agent Onyx" or somesuch?
Codename, I wouldn't be surprised. As for Psalm being Onyx, probably not. "Onyx" told her the Redoubt was closing in Vanity's orb, and she was dark gray, not black. And, er, inside the Redoubt at the time. Psalm was referred to as "Agent", so I doubt she had an additional codename, though.

I'll edit to add every mention of Emerald or Onyx, too, because I know Onyx was specified as the MWT liason at one point.

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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:43 pm

...I didn't remember an "Onyx". It was just the first black gemstone I could think of, since garnet is described as being red.
Your memory and powers of speculation FAR outstrip my own :mybad:

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:45 pm

Well, I did just now read it while assembling that post. Twilight Sparkle
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:51 pm

So, one of the OIA liasons is named Glass? Do you remember her ever being mentioned before, and can we start to pair up which liason goes with which agency?

It looks to me like Emerald was with MoAS, Onyx was MoWT, Glass might have been with the MoP? Might that be why Onyx and Glass were consulted about the combination MoWT and MoP project to cyberize Winona?

Would Garnet be a generic liason for the OIA in general, or could she actually be with one of the other ministries?

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:53 pm

Cptadder wrote:Handlers are not hired off the street, you become a handler when your either an agent who's cover has been blown or you've moved over from the technical side.
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My point is from her actions in the various orbs it's clear she's a handler, possibly the personal handler for the director of OIA, whoever that happens to be at the moment.
And I still don't see how that prevents her from forming a cabal with Onyx, Emerald, and any other gem ponies there might be. (It's unclear whether there's one liason for each Ministry, or if each liason handles two and there's only the three of them, like an evil CMC.)

I'll absolutely agree that they probably were chosen for their administrative abilities, but once they were in place, what would stop them from conspiring? Their entire purpose is to be the bridges between ministries, and to regulate the flow of information to bring about the results they want. Maybe they learned it all from Goldenblood, maybe not, but that doesn't stop them from throwing him under the bus once he becomes a liability.

If anyone is knowingly working for the EoS, I think they're the top suspects.


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Post by Aonee on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:53 pm

I'm betting that Glass would work with the MoI, the name fits, and would be a delicious irony/pun/etc.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:56 pm

Aonee wrote:I'm betting that Glass would work with the MoI, the name fits, and would be a delicious irony/pun/etc.
But if that were true I can't imagine why she would be consulted on the Winona cyberization project.

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:57 pm

swicked wrote:So, one of the OIA liasons is named Glass? Do you remember her ever being mentioned before, and can we start to pair up which liason goes with which agency?

It looks to me like Emerald was with MoAS, Onyx was MoWT, Glass might have been with the MoP? Might that be why Onyx and Glass were consulted about the combination MoWT and MoP project to cyberize Winona?

Would Garnet be a generic liason for the OIA in general, or could she actually be with one of the other ministries?
Garnet was definitely the liason to the MoP. She was always the one hanging around when Fluttershy was there.
I think Glass refers to the roboticist who would be doing the brain trasfer. I seem to recall a Doctor Glass being mentioned at some point.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:02 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
swicked wrote:So, one of the OIA liasons is named Glass? Do you remember her ever being mentioned before, and can we start to pair up which liason goes with which agency?

It looks to me like Emerald was with MoAS, Onyx was MoWT, Glass might have been with the MoP? Might that be why Onyx and Glass were consulted about the combination MoWT and MoP project to cyberize Winona?

Would Garnet be a generic liason for the OIA in general, or could she actually be with one of the other ministries?
Garnet was definitely the liason to the MoP. She was always the one hanging around when Fluttershy was there.
I think Glass refers to the roboticist who would be doing the brain trasfer. I seem to recall a Doctor Glass being mentioned at some point.

Ah, that makes far more sense, what with these liasons all otherwise having gemstone names.
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Pony names are silly. How the heck are we supposed to tell the difference between a real one and a fake one, anyway? Tilt

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Post by Aonee on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:12 pm

swicked wrote:
Aonee wrote:I'm betting that Glass would work with the MoI, the name fits, and would be a delicious irony/pun/etc.
But if that were true I can't imagine why she would be consulted on the Winona cyberization project.
Either to help hide it or get it out to the public? I'm making guesses and haven't reread anything, so feel free to ignore my WMG attempts.
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Post by Valikdu on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:16 pm

SilentCarto wrote:I don't think the starmetal sword is going to get a name if it doesn't have one already.

Seeing how Blackjack's luck normally goes, the sword's name is Frostmourne. And the Eater will try to assume direct control of her through it.

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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:19 pm

SilentCarto wrote:And I still don't see how that prevents her from forming a cabal with Onyx, Emerald, and any other gem ponies there might be. (It's unclear whether there's one liason for each Ministry, or if each liason handles two and there's only the three of them, like an evil CMC.)

My bet is that, while there might have been multiple minor liaisons, the ministries are big enough that one primary OIA liaison probably handled each.

They then regularly met with Goldenblood, they each talked about current projects and prospective projects and, from there, the OIA set up and supported all cooperative efforts.

This shadow ops cloak and dagger stuff was probably a dual purpose thing. These liaisons just seem to be too well known to truly be the sort of CIA operatives cptadder suggested.

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Post by CamoBadger on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:27 pm

Valikdu wrote:
SilentCarto wrote:I don't think the starmetal sword is going to get a name if it doesn't have one already.

Seeing how Blackjack's luck normally goes, the sword's name is Frostmourne. And the Eater will try to assume direct control of her through it.

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Post by Ketchup on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:50 pm

Ice Crystal wrote:
Valikdu wrote:
SilentCarto wrote:I don't think the starmetal sword is going to get a name if it doesn't have one already.

Seeing how Blackjack's luck normally goes, the sword's name is Frostmourne. And the Eater will try to assume direct control of her through it.

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Post by FeatherDust on Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:00 pm

Meleagridis wrote:
She's there after they meet their fate. If I recall, Jetstream was in Happyhorn for quite a while before she was picked up. The marauders just seem like casualties
To my mind, Jet's fate was a suicide mission to Roam. Her crazy was just the means to get her to be willing to do it. Just like Stone's fate was getting chimera'd after a near fatal wound.

I'm just wild mass guessing. It's crazy theories, not real ones.

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Just a crazy theory. The idea of working for the EoS, though, isn't. To weaponize the EoS is to work for its goals. Goldenblood only came to mind because he's the one most likely to realize its destructive potential.
Possible.
By the way, to answer your quote-attribution question, feather dust is a material birds produce. I think it's broken down feather- and feather-sheath material, but SilentCarto probably knows more. Some birds are dustier than others; handling a cockatoo will often result in looking like you've been baking with flour.

As for that Kooky Komputer, I really doubt he works with anyone. If you look really close, his resume says that he "works poorly with others, often vaporizing them."
What resume? Was that a joke?
Anyway he's crazy but that may be from close contact with Eater and trying to fulfil its goals. I se no reason to exclude him from being te EoS catspaw.

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:26 pm

FeatherDust wrote:By the way, to answer your quote-attribution question, feather dust is a material birds produce. I think it's broken down feather- and feather-sheath material, but SilentCarto probably knows more. Some birds are dustier than others; handling a cockatoo will often result in looking like you've been baking with flour.
That's exactly right. Cockatoos and African Grey Parrots in particular are extremely dusty because they have a specialized type of down feather that breaks down into a fine powder, which helps waterproof them.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:00 pm

Dude, Derp, we can all see it. It's right next to this thread :P

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Post by SilentCarto on Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:21 pm

swicked wrote:Dude, Derp, we can all see it. It's right next to this thread :P
On the contrary; I wouldn't have noticed, seeing as I generally use email links to reach the thread.
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Post by swicked on Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:28 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
swicked wrote:Dude, Derp, we can all see it. It's right next to this thread :P
On the contrary; I wouldn't have noticed, seeing as I generally use email links to reach the thread.

You're subscribed to this thread and getting email links every time it's updated?
Because that would be one heck of a lot of emails o_o

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