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Post by Overlong Analysis Cobalt on Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:47 pm

What's gotcha in a good mood twice over, adder?
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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:11 pm

Dont usually post things this unfinished but I'm kinda proud of how it's shaping up. Plus it will be against the rules to post it when it's finished.

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Post by Tytan on Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:13 pm

Your pun is bad and you should feel bad.
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Post by swicked on Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:56 pm

Believe me, I do.

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Post by Frost on Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:15 am

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Post by Tytan on Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:37 am

I'd watch it.
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Post by swicked on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:38 pm

I'm trying to find a trope on tvtropes and not having much luck.
The basic concept is that everything gender neutral is female.
In the real world boats, cars, nature itself, etc. usually seem to be called either "it" or "her".
In fiction (and dependant on how many are the "its" there are walking around) AIs are female, robots are female... I guess usually anything in a secondary or subservient role to a main character is typically female.
I only started looking for this trope after thinking a bit about Steven Universe and how the gender neutral gems are female and feeling like that seemed to be how things usually are.

...but I might just be imagining the connection. I can't really seem to conjure enough examples beyond the general feeling that agender typically defaults to female.
So... any idea what the trope is called? Or can you think of other examples or counter-examples? Am I just imagining things?

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:48 pm

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That is fucking awesome. Not sure how you got the water color look, but I love it. Fantastic job.


@Swicked Not sure that you're wrong, but in my experience when a character (typically a male character) refers to an object by female pronouns it's usually because the object has sentimental value. I've never seen this occur with like a disposable phone for example, something that is simply meant to be used and thrown away when your done with it.

They're usually things that are cared for, like a racer and his car or a soldier and his gun. For example in Mass Effect Zaeed has an assault rifle he keeps long after it's usefulness ends, he refers to this gun as a her if I remember correctly. The heavy keeps his minigun in a little bed I think it had a female name as well.

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Post by Frost on Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:38 pm

Ship Girl or Robot Girl would likely be a place to start. 

Good point, though. I'm thinking, and the list of AI's or other equipment with a male persona is pretty short. All I can think of is some AI's from a few Halo books and probably some Machine Spirits from 40K
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Post by Guarddogjr on Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:24 pm

I don't know about the Machine Spirits in 40K I don't think their given anything, at least from what I remember they are just treated as part of the machine god. I think some of the Tau might have personalities, the only one I can think of is an AI based off of a Tau commander.
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Post by Icy Shake on Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:35 pm

Well, for AIs you have at least HAL-9000. Jarvis, too, Ultron. That hologram doctor from whatever Star Trek that was. Robots/similar give C-3P0 and R2D2, and Data. That AI car from the old show (okay, let's see, KITT, from Knight Rider) was voiced by a man. Likewise, I assume that the General Lee from Dukes of Hazzard wasn't referred to as a "she," but I honestly have no idea. I think most of Azimov's robots were depicted more on the masculine side, when not sexless.

I haven't thought about it too much, or made much of a go at a full listing, but I wouldn't be too surprised if to some extent viewing maleness as default means not noticing them as much as such.
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:46 pm

Frost wrote:Ship Girl or Robot Girl would likely be a place to start. 

Good point, though. I'm thinking, and the list of AI's or other equipment with a male persona is pretty short. All I can think of is some AI's from a few Halo books and probably some Machine Spirits from 40K

I think it's important to note that the smart AIs choose their appearance. If I remember correctly Halsey was initially worried Cortana would choose some abstract thing or a very theatrical appearance, but was pleasantly surprised she chose to simply adopt the look of a younger Halsey. It's also worth mentioning that the smart AI's come from biological materials (in the case of cortana living materials) and that might play some factor in it.

Refreshed my memory on the Halo wiki. Both Endless Summer and Deep Winter were AIs that had male personas in Ghosts of Onyx.

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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:43 am

A corollary, then, Shake-- Note that even malevolent female AI's like GLaDoS tend to be at least a bit sympathetic. Contrast with HAL 9000, Ultron, Wheatley, ect. A male robot/AI is a lot more likely to be irredeemably malevolent, in while even female AI's have touches of humanity. 

Hell, I vaguely remember that both Summer and Winter were more obstructive and less human-esque than Cortana.

Though it's worth noting that the AI, weapon or equipment seems to be the opposite gender of its user regardless. Compare Jayne's "Vera" to Asha Greyjoy's "Lord Husband"
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Post by swicked on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:57 am

Frost wrote:A corollary, then, Shake-- Note that even malevolent female AI's like GLaDoS tend to be at least a bit sympathetic. Contrast with HAL 9000, Ultron, Wheatley, ect. A male robot/AI is a lot more likely to be irredeemably malevolent, in while even female AI's have touches of humanity.
That has more to do with tropes about females than it does with tropes about female AIs.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FemalesAreMoreInnocent

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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:31 am

Fair enough. When the leader's right-hand-person is a woman, chances are she's gonna take over when he dies horribly. When it's a dude (Especially if that dude has a title like 'chancellor'), chances are that he's the reason the leader dies horribly.
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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:52 pm

In unrelated news, I saw the aforementioned episode of Tiny Horses (today) and the new Maze Runner movie (yesterday). The Horse People one was actually pretty solid, I think, and I've not watched anything else in the season. The Maze Runner movie has left me at the point of rooting for the 'evil' faction, because they actually are trying to accomplish some shit.

I'm watching the new Horse Women movie right now. I'll give my commentary when I'm finished
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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:05 pm

Okay, I just have to comment that the school crowds are a lot more realistic and enjoyable this time around, considering their 'fuck this, I don't care' attitude. I'm all for Flash taking up a permanent position as the cynical, asshole heckler.
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Post by Icy Shake on Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:20 pm

Frost wrote:In unrelated news, I saw the aforementioned episode of Tiny Horses (today) and the new Maze Runner movie (yesterday). The Horse People one was actually pretty solid, I think, and I've not watched anything else in the season. The Maze Runner movie has left me at the point of rooting for the 'evil' faction, because they actually are trying to accomplish some shit.

I'm watching the new Horse Women movie right now. I'll give my commentary when I'm finished
Avatar had me rooting for the humans.

I haven't seen all of The Network, but based on these two speeches (which, having been sent to them, have made me kind of want to see the movie), I suspect there's a good chance I'd root for the side I'm not supposed to.

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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:17 pm

So, uh, Friendship Games.......

That sure was......a movie.
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Post by Tytan on Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:31 pm

That's the response of either someone who isn't sure whether or not they thought the movie was bad, or someone who's discovered a dozen new fetishes.

My guess is the former.
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Post by Frost on Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:36 pm

Pretty much. There were a few vaguely interesting bits, but mostly it was near as shitty as the first one; nowhere near as good as the second.
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Post by swicked on Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:10 pm

Eh, I liked it. Particularly the music.
I'd agree it wasn't as good as the second, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as the first.

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Post by RoboRed on Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:20 pm

I feel the same. Not as good as the second, but better than the first.

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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:18 pm

Bought my first piece of official pony merchandise

It's a Carrefour exclusive. They have this one, and the whole Mane 6 Power Ponies, plus Spike.

If any of y'all is interested, I could ship it.
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Post by Valikdu on Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:54 pm

I've been in a drunk state of mind and I've just had a revelation.
You know how, prior to the development of Mass Effect 3, some of the best writers (Karpyshyn, L'Etouille) had left Bioware?
What did the remaining ones do? They borrowed shit. It was from the worst possible source. That source was Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

Just consider all the similarities...
-The antagonist (Revolver Ocelot / The Illusive Man) has performed some highly questionable experiment on himself (hypnosis / indoctrination) and has suddenly become a super villain
-They want to take control over A Thing (SOP / Reapers)
-They previously didn't have an army, but suddenly have one
-There's an army (FROGS / Cerberus' new troops) of mind-controlled (nanomachined / indoctrinated) ex-civilians in power armor who are all armed with the same SMGs (the Cerberus Hornet even loos like the FN P90... well, after it is had been fused with a Beretta M12)
-There are fucking retarded cyborg ninjas (Raiden / Kai Leng)
-The ending has a "controlled helplessness" scene (microwaves / stumbling about after Harbinger leaves)
-Later it suddenly shifts from a downer (Snake about to shoot himself / Shepard bleeding out in the control room) to WTF (surprise Big Boss exposition blast / Catalyst)
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Post by Frost on Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:25 pm

The cloudsvillains, as attacked by ghosts:
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Post by Guest on Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:52 pm

Valikdu wrote:I've been in a drunk state of mind and I've just had a revelation.
You know how, prior to the development of Mass Effect 3, some of the best writers (Karpyshyn, L'Etouille) had left Bioware?
What did the remaining ones do? They borrowed shit. It was from the worst possible source. That source was Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

Just consider all the similarities...
-The antagonist (Revolver Ocelot / The Illusive Man) has performed some highly questionable experiment on himself (hypnosis / indoctrination) and has suddenly become a super villain
-They want to take control over A Thing (SOP / Reapers)
-They previously didn't have an army, but suddenly have one
-There's an army (FROGS / Cerberus' new troops) of mind-controlled (nanomachined / indoctrinated) ex-civilians in power armor who are all armed with the same SMGs (the Cerberus Hornet even loos like the FN P90... well, after it is had been fused with a Beretta M12)
-There are fucking retarded cyborg ninjas (Raiden / Kai Leng)
-The ending has a "controlled helplessness" scene (microwaves / stumbling about after Harbinger leaves)
-Later it suddenly shifts from a downer (Snake about to shoot himself / Shepard bleeding out in the control room) to WTF (surprise Big Boss exposition blast / Catalyst)

Still no Johnny. I can live with it.

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Post by swicked on Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:19 pm

Frost wrote:
The cloudsvillains, as attacked by ghosts:
Minus the screaming, I think, but yeah... I generally respond to any perceived attack with immediate overwhelming aggression.

I suddenly miss "Are You Afraid of the Dark?"

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