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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Valikdu on Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:21 am

swicked wrote:...is there some message in the fact that Littlepip, the most lesbian of lesbians, is specifically burning down a gay bar?

...that Walker Pip will burn down just about anything if her OUTRAEG is strong enough? Crazy

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Post by SilentCarto on Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:58 am

swicked wrote:6. It's a fanfic about a conflict bigger than the original's was.
Yeah, I caught that one, and while I didn't seriously consider replying, I was thinking, "So no FoE story is ever allowed to have a larger-scale conflict than the original?" It's not like you'd complain that Kkat was trying to top last performance if she wrote the same concept.

swicked wrote:...is there some message in the fact that Littlepip, the most lesbian of lesbians, is specifically burning down a gay bar?
LOL. It seems he didn't think his cunning plan all the way through.

O. Hinds wrote:To be fair, they don't appear to know much English.
Granted, and he doesn't deserve mockery for that.
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Icy Shake on Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:01 am

Okay, truth is, I hadn't even read his whole thing, just enough to see that it was a big anti-PH rant. But I have now.
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Icy Shake wrote:Mirabile dictu! In a rare turn of events, PH hate generated something pretty great:
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http://rublegun.deviantart.com/art/They-were-dead-anyway-right-563793060
I like the part where his rant against PH is barely even coherent.

I'm not even sure what the art is supposed to imply, outside of Pip's apparent pyromania.
Hah, his points are:
1. It's too long.
2. The characters are repetitive.
3. The characters are repetitive (hah).
4. (I have no idea, something about the protagonists being pitiable and they meet each other "And their finals in most are similar.")
5. It's too grimdark.
6. It's a fanfic about a conflict bigger than the original's was.
7. He doesn't like it and stuff about darkness, naruto, and that the fic is repetitive (again).

...is there some message in the fact that Littlepip, the most lesbian of lesbians, is specifically burning down a gay bar?
So okay, point by point.
1. I don't think this is a way you want to go when FoE was, until PH surpassed it, the longest story in the Pony fandom, and was published at a rate as fast as or faster than PH was in its first 11-12 months, before the slowdown. At least it's not coming in a post also praising MN7, which is probably going to break a million words.
2. Okay, I can understand having issues with the bleak, sad tone, and large amounts of whining. On the other hand, if you have characters go through the PH wringer and come out all smiles all the time, you've probably made characters that are really terrible people.
3. If you can't predict what a character is going to act like after this long, they weren't well characterized.
4. Glory's primary tragedy was somewhere between over and being coped with very well by the late 20s. P-21 and Scotch were there by the 50s. Lacunae never exactly got past there, nor did Luna. And I found pretty much everyone very sympathetic, on the whole. So without a better underlying reason why not, looks like a matter of taste.
5. This wasn't about grimdark, but about sex. And oh my, is this point a pratfall. When he said "the very "right" opinion about some character’s rump," well, you know who did that way, way more? That mare in the picture. Her friends made a joke that her cutie mark should have been for staring at asses. As for PH being a paradise for cloppers, unless a lot was changed in the Russian translation or this guy has a very low bar for porn, I think he's just wrong. While yes, there were various scenes in which sex was described in a vague, general way, and there were other spots that were more concrete but not involving sex (see Blackjack/Lancer scene at the Society, for instance, as an example of sexual tension without sex), they don't reach the level of clop, and I just don't see how it could reach the level of a paradise for it. And PH's equivalent to 20.5 isn't even included in the story. Just wow.
6. Man, it's fanfiction.
7. Okay, I'll give that if you don't like things that look like shounen anime/manga, PH might be hard. But that's more of a tone issue than plot directly, and although the main plot wasn't the fastest moving, you can't really look at something built on moving the narrative through subplots and intermediate actions in the same way. It's just not constructed that way.

O. Hinds wrote:Oh, well that's a pity.  That artist is also the one who drew this, and I like their Red Eye pictures, among others.

SilentCarto wrote:I like the part where his rant against PH is barely even coherent.
To be fair, they don't appear to know much English.
I love that picture!

Valikdu wrote:
swicked wrote:...is there some message in the fact that Littlepip, the most lesbian of lesbians, is specifically burning down a gay bar?

...that Walker Pip will burn down just about anything if her OUTRAEG is strong enough?  Crazy

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Yeah, I was kind of thinking an Arbu parallel, but really intentional here. But if you wanted to do it right, it should have been the bar Twilight and Big Macintosh went to, or maybe Mixer's. On the other hand, given how much the guy seemed to hate the sexual content, maybe that really was it. Why he'd use ur-gay Littlepip to say something about Blackjack, I don't know. I suggest cognitive dissonance, which would be in line with some of the points of the writing.
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:03 am

Y'know, If you posted this in the comments section of that picture the artist might have a chance to defend his opinion.

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Post by Icy Shake on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:34 am

Last wrote:Y'know, If you posted this in the comments section of that picture the artist might have a chance to defend his opinion.
1. I don't think that's really the point here.
2. If you check out the response to the first comment there, you'll see that trolling was pretty much a goal of the text part of the post anyway. That's not conducive to a real conversation.

On a lighter note:
http://ethaes.deviantart.com/art/I-m-Allowed-to-be-Weird-513914345
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Icy Shake wrote:
Last wrote:Y'know, If you posted this in the comments section of that picture the artist might have a chance to defend his opinion.
1. I don't think that's really the point here.
2. If you check out the response to the first comment there, you'll see that trolling was pretty much a goal of the text part of the post anyway. That's not conducive to a real conversation.

On a lighter note:
http://ethaes.deviantart.com/art/I-m-Allowed-to-be-Weird-513914345

Acknowledging your opinion will cause some kind of outrage is trolling? I wasn't aware.

What is the point from your position? Now that you've admitted discussion wasn't what you were looking for.

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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Icy Shake on Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:38 pm

Last wrote:
Icy Shake wrote:
Last wrote:Y'know, If you posted this in the comments section of that picture the artist might have a chance to defend his opinion.
1. I don't think that's really the point here.
2. If you check out the response to the first comment there, you'll see that trolling was pretty much a goal of the text part of the post anyway. That's not conducive to a real conversation.

On a lighter note:
http://ethaes.deviantart.com/art/I-m-Allowed-to-be-Weird-513914345

Acknowledging your opinion will cause some kind of outrage is trolling? I wasn't aware.

What is the point from your position? Now that you've admitted discussion wasn't what you were looking for.
Acknowledging it, and following with a ":3" emoticon, is pretty suggestive. Saying "popcorn I stocked up in advance" is an almost dispositive indication that you were fishing for a blow-up reaction. That's pretty much exactly one definition of trolling.

The point here? Mockery and occupying a position of superiority, because riffing is fun.

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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Guest on Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:54 pm

Eh, an emoticon. That overrides what I assume when somber himself (somberpony is his deviantart account?) makes a comment and Ruble expressses concerns over communicating with him in russian? I never really known a troll to to care that someone understands what they're saying, because whether or not they understand does not matter as long as it has a reaction. Really it seems you're labeling him as a troll to make yourself feel better about... I guess I'd call it circle jerking based on your desription of your point.

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Post by Icy Shake on Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:20 pm

Well, an emoticon, plus the general tone of the OP, including a fair portion of odd complaints coming from someone who implicitly saw FoE as fine (notably on sexuality). Plus specifically saying that he was looking forward to watching the comment section explode. That too.

True fact, I had strongly considered including "circle jerk" in my previous post, so I'm not surprised you were able to read it into it.
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Guest on Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:02 am

I'm not going to defend his opinion, because to be honest I don't know exactly what it is he's saying. But if you're trying to say PH is less sexual than foe you're being silly. Is PH pornographic? Not if you consider porn to simply be material that is sexually explicit. But is it fan service-y in a sexual way? Yes. Unless you're going to point out the part in FO:E where a party member walks behind Pip and shoves his cock inside her, or where pip walks down the stairs in full view of everyone else after being bukkaked. Or maybe the scene where a character facials a family member? (though I think that since been edited out of PH) That's just a few examples in a small number of chapters.

Don't remember the story exactly, but to the best of knowledge every sexual encounter was a fade to black. With the exception of 20.5 which to my memory was made abundantly clear that it was optional reading and didn't have any plot crucial details. It wasn't sprinkled in with the rest of the story.

Is any of this objectively bad? No. What you like when it comes to entertainment is pretty subjective. But it definitely exists in the story.

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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:33 am

(sorry if this comes a bit late)

So basically BJ is riding a rocket to Uranus?
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Icy Shake on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:53 pm

Blackjack:
http://total-krazen.deviantart.com/art/5-Dollar-Commission-004-565284695

Rampage:
http://blue-strokes.deviantart.com/art/Rampage-565061894?ga_submit_new=10%253A1444353824

I'm not denying the greater presence of sexual material in PH than FoE. I do believe that it's a difference of degree, not kind, and a lesser difference than he seemed to believe, especially when you consider some of his specific complaints. And calling PH porn is just this side of ridiculous, and might cross the line when you consider that one of the two included an (optional) actual pornographic chapter, and it wasn't PH. Some of his objections are well grounded, but amount to matters of taste. That's all fine, and he's free to feel that way, even if I disagree. Some, like the statement in comments about what he wished Goldenblood had been, seem to reflect a completely different story than the one I read.
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Guest on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:09 pm

Icy Shake wrote:
Blackjack:
http://total-krazen.deviantart.com/art/5-Dollar-Commission-004-565284695

Rampage:
http://blue-strokes.deviantart.com/art/Rampage-565061894?ga_submit_new=10%253A1444353824

I'm not denying the greater presence of sexual material in PH than FoE. I do believe that it's a difference of degree, not kind, and a lesser difference than he seemed to believe, especially when you consider some of his specific complaints. And calling PH porn is just this side of ridiculous, and might cross the line when you consider that one of the two included an (optional) actual pornographic chapter, and it wasn't PH. Some of his objections are well grounded, but amount to matters of taste. That's all fine, and he's free to feel that way, even if I disagree. Some, like the statement in comments about what he wished Goldenblood had been, seem to reflect a completely different story than the one I read.

I distinclty remember a .5 chapter for PH that was just like the one in FO:E the only difference being it wasn't posted on EQD. Though to be frank I don't know the whole story behind it, no idea if it's considered canon or not.

But that's beside the point because 20.5 is completely removed from the story. It's like a dvd extra, complete avoidable if you don't like that kind of content. Which is good because that's the only ccontent it offers. A little bit harder to avoid BJ telling Lancer to look into her vagina for her hymen to prove she isn't a virgin and therfore not the maiden, or Rampage literally wandering off to suck dick.

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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Valikdu on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:25 am

She IS going to wear sunglasses during a night operation.
Blackjack:
http://slouping.deviantart.com/art/Sexy-and-Crazy-566375040
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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Icy Shake on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:27 am

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Post by Valikdu on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:32 am

Icy Shake wrote:Beat me by literally a minute on that one, Valikdu.

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Re: PH fan art thread

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Re: PH fan art thread

Post by Icy Shake on Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:54 am

Fuck, man. Wish this were mine.:
http://limreiart.deviantart.com/art/poker-569383919
However, boo at having no Glory.
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:36 am

Hm. I wonder why they didn't put Blackjack on the Queen or Ace of Spades? With the Dealer on the other, maybe.
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Post by Icy Shake on Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:35 pm

That would have been thematically better, of course. But there's often a connotation of spades being superior to the other suits (e.g. "had X in spades"), and doing that could be interpreted as placing Blackjack/the PH in a higher position than the cast of the original. That's my guess, anyway.
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:46 pm

Hm. I did not know of that connotation; thanks.
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Post by SilentCarto on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:29 pm

There's some odd choices across the board there, honestly. Homage is the Ace of Spades? Really? Not Pip? (Which would also fix the precedence issue of letting BJ be QD.)

And I echo the "boo" at leaving Glory out. Put her in as Ace of Hearts, kick Dealer to Jack of Diamonds, and sorry, Stygius, nothing against you, but you're really not face-card significant in the story.

Who do you suppose the joker's supposed to be?
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Post by Icy Shake on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:42 pm

I don't recognize the character, and they weren't tagged in the Derpibooru post.
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Post by SilentCarto on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:50 pm

I hope nobody takes offense at this as "rewriting" an artist's work. The discussion just got me thinking and I went and scribbled out my own list of face cards, now with extra theme.
And yes, I put Scotch on a traditionally male card. Deal with it. Spike

I tried to balance the cast from each fic, 8 of each including one advisor and one villain.

AS - Littlepip
KS - Calamity
QS - Blackjack
JS - Steelhooves

AH - Homage
KH - P-21
QH - Glory
JH - Dealer

AD - Lacunae
KD - Red Eye
QD - Velvet Remedy
JD - Scotch Tape

AC - Rampage
KC - Deus
QC - Xenith
JC - Spike

Black Joker - Pyrelight
Red Joker - Boo
Plaid Joker - Discord
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Post by SilentCarto on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:59 pm

Icy Shake wrote:I don't recognize the character, and they weren't tagged in the Derpibooru post.
Probably the artist's character, then.
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Post by Icy Shake on Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:58 pm

So, plus Glory and Scotch, minus Stygius and Goldenblood? Scotch is a good fit for the jack slot. But I'd probably cut Deus in favor of keeping Goldenblood.

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Post by SilentCarto on Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:26 pm

Icy Shake wrote:So, plus Glory and Scotch, minus Stygius and Goldenblood? Scotch is a good fit for the jack slot. But I'd probably cut Deus in favor of keeping Goldenblood.
That's fair, but I think Deus (pre-tank) represents a more solid villain for the story. Goldie was always kind of a 'gray' character, and while a lot of the story involves cleaning up his messes and uncovering his secrets, he doesn't have much direct influence on the story. Cogs might be a more accurate analogue, but it would be difficult to depict her as a physical entity.
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Post by Icy Shake on Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:36 am

I get that, but although he's not really a villain per se, I do think of him (or maybe the idea of him or Blackjack's perception of him) as something of an antagonist, and probably in some respects the defining one for the story as a whole.

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Post by RoboRed on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:52 pm

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http://theburningdonut.deviantart.com/art/Stable-Dwellers-571109025

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