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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 23, 2014 3:01 pm

"Hold up a second...did anyone else just feel like somewhere, there's a great crowd of ponies laughing to themselves for some reason?"
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Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 3:31 pm

Or maybe we'll end up going back to Flank.
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Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 23, 2014 3:33 pm

I wasn't really paying attention during the Flank portion

something about helping the town and getting run out of it anyway?

Or was that elsewhere
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 3:55 pm

Well there is a Stable 80 69 there. Also it's where she killed Deus, got laid, and first started hanging out with Rampage.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Rayndalf on Fri May 23, 2014 4:03 pm

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More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive.

True enough. But if BJ is ever in a situation where she has to kill Cogs to stop her plan I don't think a baby will be as much shield as it is hesitation.

BJ doesn't believe there will be a world left for her baby to be born in if Project Horizons goes off. So if BJ ever is forced to kill Cogs the outcomes are my baby dies or my baby and everything else dies. It'd be one thing if BJ was actually convinced that what Cogs was planning to do would work, but that's clearly not how it is.

Honestly if the baby could be placed in BJ then there's more incentive to do that than not. BJ was full of doubt, she wanted to run away somewhere safe when she was in the core. Now she posesses a body that can't save her baby. No matter what happens someone else will have to find a solution. BJ has every reason to go all out against Cogs now.

As for attachment and defending the fetus? I really don't see it. I just think Cogs wants to feel superior to BJ and the fact she doesn't kill foals is what makes her feel that way. 
It could just be that Blackjack was currently unable to carry her baby, although I assume most aren't just "ready" for a surrogate transplant and some hormones / magic are required in preparation.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 4:21 pm

Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri May 23, 2014 4:28 pm

Yes, make Scotch pregnant with her father's child. I'm certain Psychoshy would approve.

But, more seriously, why not Glory?

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 4:30 pm

Eh, they live in a stable. P-21 is probably more than the baby's father.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Dutcher on Fri May 23, 2014 4:32 pm

What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Rayndalf on Fri May 23, 2014 4:33 pm

Last wrote:Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.
Chapter 65 wrote:"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."
I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

But if that won't work, I'm sure the medical geniuses of the Collegiate, reinforced with personal and equipment for Thunderhead could make something work. 

What about that star metal/fetus sculpture incident? That one mare clearly knows something about childbirth...


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 4:38 pm

Dutcher wrote:What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Silver136 on Fri May 23, 2014 4:46 pm

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Dutcher wrote:What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."
Yeah, I'd mentioned Grace a while back and we decided that she was too distantly related to carry the baby. I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Dutcher on Fri May 23, 2014 4:47 pm

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Dutcher wrote:What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."
Well, outside Scoth And 21 she is the closest thing to BJ family speaking.
Edit: Oh right the survivors from 99, well unless they try to kill BJ they are better i guess.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 4:47 pm

Rayndalf wrote:
Chapter 65 wrote:"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."
I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

I think that quote proves she has good understanding of what she is saying. And the part here "Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth" can be accepted as the truth. I don't have any understanding of how hormone treatments work, but if it was as simple as injections I think BJ would be happily pregnant by now.




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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 4:52 pm

Last wrote:Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.
Aye, I proposed something similar earlier, which would just be stashing the foal in a stasis pod until a slightly more convenient time.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 4:57 pm

Oops. Sorry scienza. I thought you meant the pod would serve as the womb and the baby would grow in there. Misunderstanding on my part.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Fri May 23, 2014 5:03 pm

Dutcher wrote:Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?
That's up to Somber.  It's almost never happened, though.


(I'm staying out of the "What to do with Blackjack's fetus" discussion because I know what Somber at least was planning the last time I spoke to him about this.  There are a variety of interesting ideas being tossed around, though, and, for all I know, Somber will read this discussion and decide to use one of them instead, if he's not changed his plans already.  :))
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Rayndalf on Fri May 23, 2014 6:54 pm

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Chapter 65 wrote:"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."
I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

I think that quote proves she has good understanding of what she is saying. And the part here "Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth" can be accepted as the truth. I don't have any understanding of how hormone treatments work, but if it was as simple as injections I think BJ would be happily pregnant by now.
The problem is that Blackjack has yet to consult with the medical specialists at the collegiate. The mare who made the starmetal fetus might have some first hand experience.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 7:26 pm

If you're assuming she miscarried because of hormones then why would going to her help any? Besides second confirmation that nothing can be done?

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Post by Rayndalf on Fri May 23, 2014 7:38 pm

Last wrote:If you're assuming she miscarried because of hormones then why would going to her help any? Besides second confirmation that nothing can be done?
A bad joke, but also because I'm assuming that the starmetal / fetus incident was include for a reason.

But really we really don't know until Blackjack gets a more reliable second opinion
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 8:12 pm

swicked wrote:But, more seriously, why not Glory?

Because in order for the surrogacy spell to have any chance of working the mother has to be related to the mare the caster puts the baby into. While Scotch is possibly related to BJ Glory is only possibly related in the sense Grace is related. That is to say not at all.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CD on Fri May 23, 2014 10:46 pm

Silver136 wrote:I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 10:49 pm

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Silver136 wrote:I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.
Oh my god...


Though, honestly, I don't think any babbeh, even when just a zygote, would have survived when Blackjack went braindead. Twice. And enervated everything a lot.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by CD on Fri May 23, 2014 10:56 pm

Well, they were wasteland survivors so they must be of tougher stock than a pampered Stable dweller.

In the baby's defense, he/she is not accountable for the horrible things his/her father has done to the mother.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Fri May 23, 2014 11:06 pm

Scienza wrote:
CD wrote:
Silver136 wrote:I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.
Oh my god...


Though, honestly, I don't think any babbeh, even when just a zygote, would have survived when Blackjack went braindead. Twice. And enervated everything a lot.
I'll one up that and say it's unlikely that she'd even be capable of properly entering a fertility cycle, much less see proper implantation, while dying of full-body super cancer. Beyond that, that would put her estrus well before the others that we saw, she later exhibited unexpected sexual impulses consistent with estrus at the Society with Lighthooves, and while on the Seahorse she still had the implant, and would for at least a few days after.

On the whole Cognitum thing, I'll just say I'd have trouble believing P-21 wouldn't put a stop to that sort of thing immediately, since it goes against everything he believes in and would be a reversion of Blackjack, in his eyes, to what Stable 99 had always been to him.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 11:07 pm

The nightmare-fuel baby-machine thing? Because the AU version of him did exactly the same thing in Black to his daughter.

Though, once again, I think its well beyond the limits of where Blackjack and co. are willing to slide in terms of morality.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri May 23, 2014 11:12 pm

CD wrote:
Silver136 wrote:I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.
*googles "how long can horse sperm survive in a mare"*
Between one and three days max, apparently.
Blackjack was dead for three days exactly, not including the fact that she did survive for some time after the rape.
I'm going to say no to this theory.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Exodus Hero on Fri May 23, 2014 11:14 pm

CD wrote:
Silver136 wrote:I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.
You'd think that her being pregnant would come up when they gave Blackjack her cybernetic replacements, considering they have to do a physical and such and something like that would defiantly come up. Safe to say this is debunked.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 11:19 pm

On an unrelated note, the second episode of the Fo:E radioplay is releasing tomorrow.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Fri May 23, 2014 11:27 pm

Scienza wrote:The nightmare-fuel baby-machine thing? Because the AU version of him did exactly the same thing in Black to his daughter.

Though, once again, I think its well beyond the limits of where Blackjack is willing to slide in terms of morality.
Right, but that's more something that Blackjack was afraid he might become. And while it's true that he had a great deal of hate, it's still inconsistent with his principles; remember his whole rationale for not carrying a gun, after all. It's not so much that it couldn't happen, but that it would be a sign that he's so far gone that nothing remains but a raging id, a caricature of all his worst attributes abandoned by the better angels of his nature. It would be like seeing Rampage, as Rampage, go an a foal-murdering spree.

And I entirely agree on it being beyond Blackjack's horizon, but I could at least see a path from here to there, however dubious I might find it; after all, it was something she thought long and hard about abandoning everything for, and for some time one of her key motivations, not to mention an important affirmation of her equinity even as she was willingly relinquishing all external signs thereof.
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