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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 7:37 pm

The stasis tube didn't bring Psychoshy's fetus to term. If it did than BJ would have killed forty ancient ponies in the Fluttershy medical center instead of forty foals. Nothing ages inside the stasis tubes.

Sanguine clearly did something to age Physchoshy so she could survive outside of the womb, unfortunately he's not exactly in a state to inform BJ or anybody else of what that process was.

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Post by Scienza on Thu May 22, 2014 7:43 pm

I don't mean specifically stasis tubes, but something similar in terms of tech. A relatively safe in which a fetus could develop. Alternately, maybe a modification of the artificial womb/bud things that Chimera used to grow blanks from Discord juice into horse form. Hell, you could probably just plop the babbeh into stasis, wait until all the shit has gone down, then plop it back into Blackjack.

Mainly I'm just saying that they're in the Core, there's an unimaginable of mind-blowingly advanced medical tech lying around, so presumably there'd be something at the very least in prototype form.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 7:54 pm

I guess, but if it doesn't have a good reason for existing (It might, I don't remember every detail of the story. Just making an observation.) than the solution might as well be BJ running into her long lost twin sister. Highly unlikely and BS even for BJ.

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Post by Scienza on Thu May 22, 2014 7:58 pm

Presumably, it would just be a fusion of Silver Stripe's pickle tube, healing talismans, and maybe some form of the surrogacy spell.

I mean, if you really go into reasons for its existence, Blackjack did have two flash-grown clones made over the course of the fic. Clones gotta grow in something.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 8:00 pm

They grew off the tree? Like the blanks? And Glory's wing?  Right?

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Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 8:03 pm

Also just one clone. Cogs said she recovered that one and regrew it's face when she grabbed Sanguine.

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Post by Scienza on Thu May 22, 2014 8:04 pm

Well, IIRC, they grew in horse-colored buds on the tree, presumably serving the purpose of an artificial womb of sorts.

I can also see Glory jury-rigging something using the tech in the Fluttershy Medical Clinic, which would be a very nice full-circle conclusion for the place. Blackjack's most defining moment coming back at the very end.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 8:21 pm

I think the buds formed with a clone, I'm pretty sure not a 100% that the buds were not always hanging from the tree. I guess they were, but only because it seemed to be endlessly producing blanks.

It's possible, but if that was the case why does the surrogacy spell exist in the first place? That seems like a much easier solution all around.

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Post by Scienza on Thu May 22, 2014 8:43 pm

Well, the surrogacy spell would presumably have been in development when Twilight used it. Remember that there are at least a good 1-6 years between Tarot's transfer and the apocalypse. I don't think the MoP would be satisfied with such a limited version of the technique.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 22, 2014 10:36 pm

I'm just not sure the technology supports something like that.

The stasis pods freeze whoever is placed inside them indefinitely.

What the foal needs is an eviroment that not only allows time to pass so that it can grow, but also provides it with the sustenance and hormones for it to develop properly.

What I'm saying is I think what you're proposing may actually be more difficult then trying to build a machine from scratch. What's exactly is being utilized from the pods in the modification? The container that actually physically holds the patient?

Edit: Because I'm not very good at being clear. I mean the glass sphere or cylinder (I don't remember the shape.) that holds the patient. Not any of the stuff that keeps what's inside in it's "frozen" state.


There is an easier more gruesome solution.

Recapture Cogs. Remove the armor plating from BJ's old belly and reorganize the life support systems so they no longer impede the womb's growth and seal it off with another BJ clone's skin. Also probably remove her legs and chain her up somewhere.

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Post by Derpmind on Fri May 23, 2014 9:03 am

Last, I think you've reached your Grimdark quota for today. That was disgusting.  Twilight 
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Post by Silver136 on Fri May 23, 2014 9:07 am

I dunno. Seems like a valid plan to me. I think part of my agreeing though is that I really hate Cogs. Still it seems like that a thing that could be done. After all Scotch has pulled off BJ's leg before, and I'm sure Glory and Scotch working together could disassemble and reassemble Cogs into a baby birthing system.
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Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 10:12 am

...I think turning a sentient being into a nightmarish birthing machine would be gleefully diving beyond Blackjack's moral event horizon. It'd be a horrific inversion of Stable 99 and just all around irredeemably fucked up. Cogs is a monster, but she doesn't deserve to be turned into a breeder like in the Blackverse.

From a practical standpoint, I'm still not certain that even with reorganization, Blackjack's cyborg body would be able to support a developing fetus. When she was a cyborg, she had vastly different nutritional requirements from an unmodified pony, and especially so for a pregnant pony, and so I feel like her systems wouldn't properly allocate or provide the resources the foal needs to develop. It'd be sort of like how a pregnant woman's body cannibalizes calcium from her bones to support the fetus, but in reverse.
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Post by Dutcher on Fri May 23, 2014 11:05 am

Last wrote:I'm just not sure the technology supports something like that.

The stasis pods freeze whoever is placed inside them indefinitely.

What the foal needs is an eviroment that not only allows time to pass so that it can grow, but also provides it with the sustenance and hormones for it to develop properly.

What I'm saying is I think what you're proposing may actually be more difficult then trying to build a machine from scratch. What's exactly is being utilized from the pods in the modification? The container that actually physically holds the patient?

Edit: Because I'm not very good at being clear. I mean the glass sphere or cylinder (I don't remember the shape.) that holds the patient. Not any of the stuff that keeps what's inside in it's "frozen" state.


There is an easier more gruesome solution.

Recapture Cogs. Remove the armor plating from BJ's old belly and reorganize the life support systems so they no longer impede the womb's growth and seal it off with another BJ clone's skin. Also probably remove her legs and chain her up somewhere.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Silver136 on Fri May 23, 2014 11:13 am

Not a breeder, merely a vessel to carry Blackjacks baby until it can be born. Its not like they're gonna start implanting random babies into her. Its just punishment for making Blackjacks life a living hell and stealing her body(and child). Like I said though, the only reason I'm supporting this idea is because I hate Cogs. I was all for bombing the mine boss back in Brimstone too so I'm probably not the highest on the morality board though...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Fri May 23, 2014 11:22 am

Great, the way your making it sound, Cogs!jack is now powered by a forsaken child... Curse all of those in the chat thread for letting my dive back into that abyss.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Meleagridis on Fri May 23, 2014 11:30 am

Last wrote:I thinks it's reasonable they'd have understanding of what it's capable of at this point. Could be wrong here but I'm thinking it's within the realm of posibility that Glory could just confirm or deny what Cogs already told BJ. And as you said she doesn't have a reason to lie, Cogs has been  shown to be unwilling to use the baby as leverage.

More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive. But Cogs showed that she actually cares for the kid's wellfare. She nearly popped Steel Rain like a grape for suggesting they use it as leverage. But if she cares so much, why keep the kid in a body that can't keep it alive? She could have an unhealthy attachment. Really not unlikely, I'm still not convinced that Cogs isn't entirely bonkers. She could need the child for something. A life force, a spark, an heir. Who knows?

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri May 23, 2014 12:25 pm

Derpmind wrote:Last, I think you've reached your Grimdark quota for today. That was disgusting.  Twilight

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Post by Vergil on Fri May 23, 2014 12:33 pm

Well. That's enough internet for today.
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Post by RoboRed on Fri May 23, 2014 12:46 pm

I like where this thread is going right now. Crazy 

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Post by Silver136 on Fri May 23, 2014 1:23 pm

RoboRed wrote:I like where this thread is going right now. Crazy 
I'm not sure if its a good or bad thing, but it has taken quite a dark turn, which I agree. I'm all for dark turns. Twilight crazy
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 23, 2014 1:30 pm

Conquering the Wasteland on the backs of dead foals

Or destroying it through dark eldritch powers through the life force of dead foals

Yep...das grim
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Post by Borsuq on Fri May 23, 2014 1:53 pm

Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?
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Post by swicked on Fri May 23, 2014 2:01 pm

Borsuq wrote:Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?
Oh! Me! I am!

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Post by Dutcher on Fri May 23, 2014 2:03 pm

Borsuq wrote:Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?
I can smell it
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Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 23, 2014 2:19 pm

Watch it be a joke/non-canon chapter where BJ and CJ exchange lewd phrases while they try to kill each other
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Post by Scienza on Fri May 23, 2014 2:39 pm

Vinylshadow wrote:Watch it be a joke/non-canon chapter where BJ and CJ exchange lewd phrases while they try to kill each other
It'll probably the darkest, squickiest, most arousal-killing chapter yet.
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Post by Guest on Fri May 23, 2014 2:53 pm

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More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive.

True enough. But if BJ is ever in a situation where she has to kill Cogs to stop her plan I don't think a baby will be as much shield as it is hesitation.

BJ doesn't believe there will be a world left for her baby to be born in if Project Horizons goes off. So if BJ ever is forced to kill Cogs the outcomes are my baby dies or my baby and everything else dies. It'd be one thing if BJ was actually convinced that what Cogs was planning to do would work, but that's clearly not how it is.

Honestly if the baby could be placed in BJ then there's more incentive to do that than not. BJ was full of doubt, she wanted to run away somewhere safe when she was in the core. Now she posesses a body that can't save her baby. No matter what happens someone else will have to find a solution. BJ has every reason to go all out against Cogs now.

As for attachment and defending the fetus? I really don't see it. I just think Cogs wants to feel superior to BJ and the fact she doesn't kill foals is what makes her feel that way.

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Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 23, 2014 2:56 pm

'PLAY?'
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Silver136 on Fri May 23, 2014 2:58 pm

Borsuq wrote:Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?
Here's to hoping chapter 69 is some kind of dumb yet amusing 69 joke, as unlikely as it is!
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