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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Valikdu on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:07 am

As someone put it on FiMFic:

Fuck you, Merriwether, fuck you, Princess Twilight, and I'd like to fuck you, Flutterbat.

Well, at least we'll get a ton of fanart out of this.
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Post by Valikdu on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:32 am

jacky2734 wrote:I foresee a sudden influx of Flutterpire fics and batpony vectors of the mane six coming our way.

Check out Blood Is Thicker Than Friendship.
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Post by CamoBadger on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:06 am

Looking over the main page of FiMFic, I saw no less than 4 flutterbat stories.

This is the new cancer.

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by jacky2734 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:45 pm

As I stated on another site, I think this entire episode was one big excuse to give Fluttershy cute fangs.
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Post by Somber on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:06 pm

Ahhhhh.... I thought it was a McCarthy episode.  It being a Williams episode explains tons!  I enjoyed it more knowing it wasn't her.  Well, I guess she's still on the writing crew... sigh...
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:20 pm

CamoBadger wrote:
Spoiler:

Worst, episode, ever.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Let's start with being as out of character as possible.
RD: "I only care about cider, even though I supposed to be loyal to my friend who will probably lose her farm because all her apples will be eaten if we don't help her.
Fluttershy: "The bats are precious creatures, even though they are a pure pestilence who will ruin my friend's business and life, because she's already said they have to sell cider to keep the farm over the winter, but the bats will make it impossible to make any."
Pinkie: I don't care, you suck anyways.
Rarity: Served as comic relief.
Spike: Never has a consistant character anyways.
Twilight: Knows the answer to everything as usual, so not out of character, just fucking annoying.

Fluttershy, die in a fire for putting pests that will put your friend out of business and home ahead of your friend. 
RD, die in a fire for putting cider above actually caring about your friend, Miss not so loyal.
End of the episode, burn in the pits of hell for suddenly solving everything and even suggesting Fluttershy would stay part vampire.

Lesson: You were decent.
Song: You didn't have a consistent beat or timing and the words were forced in several places. 3/10

The only saving grace was that this episode didn't try forcing in the eighth deadly sin that is peaceful vampires.

Overall, 2/10. Wasted 30 minutes of my life.
Now, when it isn't 4AM, I can elaborate on the OOC-ness in more detail.

Spoiler:
RD is supposed to be loyal (her being the lement and all), right? Since it was basically Shy against AJ, one friend against another, who was she supposed to be loyal to anyway? I'm sure she she would probably side with AJ anyway, but the cider motivator at least made her somewhat "neutral". There's no win-win situation for her here.
You bash RD for not being loyal enough, yet you forget that Shy is supposed to be kind. And she was in the episode, tell me how that is OOC for her? Trying to find a peaceful solution for both sides, especially when one side are animals (caring for animals being her special talent), sounds like something she'd try to do.
Pinkie surprised me with how serious she was in the song, honestly didn't expect her to jump on the AJ train so fast as she is supposed to be the optimist of the group, oh well, her character is crazy anyway.
Rarity along with RD is the one I expected to be indecisive. On one hand the bats were kinda "icky", on the other hand she is friends with Fluttershy more than with the rest of Mane 6 so I was kinda expecting her to want to support Shy.

So in the end I don't see why Flutters should die in a fire for just being herself.
RD was kinda in a tough spot there, better to side with the cider than to decide which friend to support over the other (drowning your issues in alcohol, not a good lesson to put into a children's show Spike ).
The end of the episode simply did what Flutters was implying all along, to give part of the orchard to the bats, not a lengthy thing to do. It was still way better paced than Daring Don't or MMC.
Also don't see why vampire Fluttershy would be so bad, but they're most likely not going to bring it up again anyway so it doesn't matter much.
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Guest on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:30 pm

CamoBadger wrote:
Spoiler:

Worst, episode, ever.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Let's start with being as out of character as possible.

Fluttershy: "The bats are precious creatures, even though they are a pure pestilence who will ruin my friend's business and life, because she's already said they have to sell cider to keep the farm over the winter, but the bats will make it impossible to make any."

Swarm of the century.

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by CamoBadger on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:13 pm

Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:
Spoiler:

Worst, episode, ever.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Let's start with being as out of character as possible.
RD: "I only care about cider, even though I supposed to be loyal to my friend who will probably lose her farm because all her apples will be eaten if we don't help her.
Fluttershy: "The bats are precious creatures, even though they are a pure pestilence who will ruin my friend's business and life, because she's already said they have to sell cider to keep the farm over the winter, but the bats will make it impossible to make any."
Pinkie: I don't care, you suck anyways.
Rarity: Served as comic relief.
Spike: Never has a consistant character anyways.
Twilight: Knows the answer to everything as usual, so not out of character, just fucking annoying.

Fluttershy, die in a fire for putting pests that will put your friend out of business and home ahead of your friend. 
RD, die in a fire for putting cider above actually caring about your friend, Miss not so loyal.
End of the episode, burn in the pits of hell for suddenly solving everything and even suggesting Fluttershy would stay part vampire.

Lesson: You were decent.
Song: You didn't have a consistent beat or timing and the words were forced in several places. 3/10

The only saving grace was that this episode didn't try forcing in the eighth deadly sin that is peaceful vampires.

Overall, 2/10. Wasted 30 minutes of my life.
Now, when it isn't 4AM, I can elaborate on the OOC-ness in more detail.

Spoiler:
RD is supposed to be loyal (her being the lement and all), right? Since it was basically Shy against AJ, one friend against another, who was she supposed to be loyal to anyway? I'm sure she she would probably side with AJ anyway, but the cider motivator at least made her somewhat "neutral". There's no win-win situation for her here.
You bash RD for not being loyal enough, yet you forget that Shy is supposed to be kind. And she was in the episode, tell me how that is OOC for her? Trying to find a peaceful solution for both sides, especially when one side are animals (caring for animals being her special talent), sounds like something she'd try to do.
Pinkie surprised me with how serious she was in the song, honestly didn't expect her to jump on the AJ train so fast as she is supposed to be the optimist of the group, oh well, her character is crazy anyway.
Rarity along with RD is the one I expected to be indecisive. On one hand the bats were kinda "icky", on the other hand she is friends with Fluttershy more than with the rest of Mane 6 so I was kinda expecting her to want to support Shy.

So in the end I don't see why Flutters should die in a fire for just being herself.
RD was kinda in a tough spot there, better to side with the cider than to decide which friend to support over the other (drowning your issues in alcohol, not a good lesson to put into a children's show Spike ).
The end of the episode simply did what Flutters was implying all along, to give part of the orchard to the bats, not a lengthy thing to do. It was still way better paced than Daring Don't or MMC.
Also don't see why vampire Fluttershy would be so bad, but they're most likely not going to bring it up again anyway so it doesn't matter much.
I'd still say FS is way OOC because she's supposed to care about her friends. She's put them above plenty of things before, but for some reason these bats made her say "fuck you AJ, you're wrong". 

And as for the end of the episode, it was fucking awful. It was determined ahead of time that the bats were not willing to listen to FS, yet suddenly they decided to not only listen to her, but they actually agreed to stay in one area of the farm. It was shoehorned in there so hard it hurts, all for the sake of making FS right. The pacing was straight up awful, because they skipped everything that actually mattered in the episode. It changed from "how to make the bats leave" into "hunt down flutterbat and change her back", but the end of the episode suddenly jumps back to "oh look, the bats aren't a problem anymore and fluttershy was right, but we don't need to show how they solved this conflict. Fuck no, but have Flutters with 'cute' fangs lol".

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:37 pm

CamoBadger wrote:
Formis_Fluttergod wrote:
CamoBadger wrote:
Spoiler:

Worst, episode, ever.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Let's start with being as out of character as possible.
RD: "I only care about cider, even though I supposed to be loyal to my friend who will probably lose her farm because all her apples will be eaten if we don't help her.
Fluttershy: "The bats are precious creatures, even though they are a pure pestilence who will ruin my friend's business and life, because she's already said they have to sell cider to keep the farm over the winter, but the bats will make it impossible to make any."
Pinkie: I don't care, you suck anyways.
Rarity: Served as comic relief.
Spike: Never has a consistant character anyways.
Twilight: Knows the answer to everything as usual, so not out of character, just fucking annoying.

Fluttershy, die in a fire for putting pests that will put your friend out of business and home ahead of your friend. 
RD, die in a fire for putting cider above actually caring about your friend, Miss not so loyal.
End of the episode, burn in the pits of hell for suddenly solving everything and even suggesting Fluttershy would stay part vampire.

Lesson: You were decent.
Song: You didn't have a consistent beat or timing and the words were forced in several places. 3/10

The only saving grace was that this episode didn't try forcing in the eighth deadly sin that is peaceful vampires.

Overall, 2/10. Wasted 30 minutes of my life.
Now, when it isn't 4AM, I can elaborate on the OOC-ness in more detail.

Spoiler:
RD is supposed to be loyal (her being the lement and all), right? Since it was basically Shy against AJ, one friend against another, who was she supposed to be loyal to anyway? I'm sure she she would probably side with AJ anyway, but the cider motivator at least made her somewhat "neutral". There's no win-win situation for her here.
You bash RD for not being loyal enough, yet you forget that Shy is supposed to be kind. And she was in the episode, tell me how that is OOC for her? Trying to find a peaceful solution for both sides, especially when one side are animals (caring for animals being her special talent), sounds like something she'd try to do.
Pinkie surprised me with how serious she was in the song, honestly didn't expect her to jump on the AJ train so fast as she is supposed to be the optimist of the group, oh well, her character is crazy anyway.
Rarity along with RD is the one I expected to be indecisive. On one hand the bats were kinda "icky", on the other hand she is friends with Fluttershy more than with the rest of Mane 6 so I was kinda expecting her to want to support Shy.

So in the end I don't see why Flutters should die in a fire for just being herself.
RD was kinda in a tough spot there, better to side with the cider than to decide which friend to support over the other (drowning your issues in alcohol, not a good lesson to put into a children's show Spike ).
The end of the episode simply did what Flutters was implying all along, to give part of the orchard to the bats, not a lengthy thing to do. It was still way better paced than Daring Don't or MMC.
Also don't see why vampire Fluttershy would be so bad, but they're most likely not going to bring it up again anyway so it doesn't matter much.
I'd still say FS is way OOC because she's supposed to care about her friends. She's put them above plenty of things before, but for some reason these bats made her say "fuck you AJ, you're wrong". 

And as for the end of the episode, it was fucking awful. It was determined ahead of time that the bats were not willing to listen to FS, yet suddenly they decided to not only listen to her, but they actually agreed to stay in one area of the farm. It was shoehorned in there so hard it hurts, all for the sake of making FS right. The pacing was straight up awful, because they skipped everything that actually mattered in the episode. It changed from "how to make the bats leave" into "hunt down flutterbat and change her back", but the end of the episode suddenly jumps back to "oh look, the bats aren't a problem anymore and fluttershy was right, but we don't need to show how they solved this conflict. Fuck no, but have Flutters with 'cute' fangs lol".
The point is that Fluttershy cares about everyone, not just everypony or just her friends.

The way I took it, the second part with Flutterbat was meant to illustrate Shy's point of view. As in "Would you react the same way if one of those "pests" was your friend?" or something along those lines. Though they didn't really make a good work of conveying that, and in this case I wouldn't say it's an entirely applicable way of conveying that in the first place.

The problem I see here is that they presented the bats as too destructive for their own good. Considering the rate at which they were consuming the apples I would've been probably more inclined to agree with AJ. They should be fine in Everfree (from where they most likely came to the orchard). Though I have no idea how many fruit trees there could be, the bats managed to survive until now.
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Guest on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:58 pm

I think we can all agree Twilight was the worst friend in this episode.

If she had just let AJ dump applesauce on her than she wouldn't need FS's stare to get the bat's attention. Then everyone wins.

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Harmony Ltd. on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:55 am

I'll just say one thing:

In this episode Fluttershy displays quite a bat attitude
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Derpmind on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:04 am

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:39 am

Last wrote:I think we can all agree Twilight was the worst friend in this episode.

If she had just let AJ dump applesauce on her than she wouldn't need FS's stare to get the bat's attention. Then everyone wins.
Just because the show is primarily supposed to be about friendship it doesn't mean that every screw-up makes somepony a bad friend. She was a bad planner and didn't think it through, that's all there is to it. Twilight crazy 
Harmony Ltd. wrote:I'll just say one thing:

In this episode Fluttershy displays quite a bat attitude
I'm all for puns and all, but Flutters was basically the only one with a positive attitude in this episode (aside from the ending).
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Somber on Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:04 pm

I think this episode could have been better if it had been more one of Immediacy over Long Term goals rather than the goodness or baddness of the bats.  "We have to get rid of these bats NOW because if they don't we'll be out of apples, so we should get rid of them." vrs "If you let them stay till they migrate on, your trees will be twice as healthy and productive, so we should harvest what we can now."  Then it goes to a question of trust.  "You know what's best for apples, applejack, but I know my animals.  Either you trust that I'm right, or you don't."  Might also be good for Twili to hit the books and come back with a "There's a lot of debate over vampire fruit bats... I can't say which would be better!"
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:11 pm

Yeah, it would probably end up being better if they fleshed out the issue of "immediate vs. long-term solution" more instead of focusing just on the bats so much, but it'd still end up being kinda controversial, if only because Williams wrote it.

I still think that all things considered it could've been much worse.
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:31 pm

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What confused me most about the episode was the degree of destruction the bats actually caused. One scene the section they're walking through looks like a haunted wasteland, then comes the scene where AJ waits for the sun, and everything looks ok. Wished Twilight would fact check the history behind Granny's story, and at least observe the rate the bats devoured things. Fluttershy's solution would be moot if the bats had a high enough destruction rate. And who's to say they'll stay in the designated grove? Even if Flutters asked them to, look at how they responded.
Does AJ really need more trees? It's not like she doesn't have more than she can handle (Applebucking season).
Twilight, you should really stop trying to use any form of change nature of a creature spell. It didn't work on Parasprites, I'm glad Discord destroyed the "Be Good" spell, and it definitely doesn't work in this situation. Also, why not use both solutions? Stop the bats until you get the designated area setup (assuming that 'Shy can convince them to stay only there and that they won't finish off that whole area and move to another portion of the orchard).

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Dash's personality I'm just chalking it up to having it as a joke with all the Cider. Can't comment on Rarity due to reading All American Girl recently (seriously, AAG!Rarity really annoys me). Pinkie is random as usual.

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The song was nice. Good to see AJ singing something, and getting character focus. Jokes were amusing. Pinkie learning mane manipulation more and more.

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Saw a crack theory on FS slowly hinting at turning into a dragonequus.
Currently the KYM MLP image board is covered in Bat!Fluttershy. It was hilarious seeing pages upon pages of spoiler thumbnails.
Do y'all think this has anything to do with Luna's Batponies? Or just some freak accident that coincidentally happens to look like them?
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by CamoBadger on Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:39 pm

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this is the first time I've realized that the Bats song had almost the same pacing and tune as This is Halloween...

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Guest on Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:49 pm

CamoBadger wrote:...
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this is the first time I've realized that the Bats song had almost the same pacing and tune as This is Halloween...

As soon as I saw it I said "What is this? Tim Burton's my little pony?"

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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:50 pm

CamoBadger wrote:...
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this is the first time I've realized that the Bats song had almost the same pacing and tune as This is Halloween...

Oh wow, the similarity is interesting, especially if they were going for the Halloween atmosphere of the episode.
I just noticed the Bat!Fluttershy has a changed cutie mark. Great. Twi can now mess with destiny/talents.
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Katarn on Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:52 pm

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You mean like she did in S3 finale? Spike
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Post by CamoBadger on Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:54 pm

Oh, by the way (I'm sure all of you realized this already, but I'm still posting it cuz)

 - I got it! I'll cast a spell to make them stop eating all the food.

 - I've learned that sometimes the solution to your problems can come from where you least expect it. It's a good idea to stop and listen to your friends' opinions and perspectives...

You learned nothing, princess bitchface.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:00 pm

CamoBadger wrote:Oh, by the way (I'm sure all of you realized this already, but I'm still posting it cuz)

 - I got it! I'll cast a spell to make them stop eating all the food.

 - I've learned that sometimes the solution to your problems can come from where you least expect it. It's a good idea to stop and listen to your friends' opinions and perspectives...

You learned nothing, princess bitchface.

Yup.

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Worst, episode, ever.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Let's start with being as out of character as possible.

Fluttershy: "The bats are precious creatures, even though they are a pure pestilence who will ruin my friend's business and life, because she's already said they have to sell cider to keep the farm over the winter, but the bats will make it impossible to make any."

Swarm of the century.

It's kinda like the lighting dust episode a while ago being like griffon the brush off.

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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by jacky2734 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:51 pm

Derpmind wrote:"You know what is a good way to tell if a character/idea was popular or not? Check the fan art the following day."

So what's it say when a third of the pictures are adorable, another third are hilarious, and the final third are "OHMYGODWHATTHEHELLISTHISNIGHTMARISHTHING!!!"?
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Re: Ep 7 Bats!

Post by Formis_Fluttergod on Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:42 am

Lol Spike
Bats Without Pointless Drama:
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