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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:02 am

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Hinds, you misquoted. I asked the question about Neighpon. Regardless, I think I need to check out the settings thread now.
FYI, as it's buried down a lot of other chatter and there isn't much to say anyway thus far (we haven't touched much on it)...

the following is my personnal headcanon:
So, the most basic idea was of a city sitting at the feet of a volcano, kinda like Napoli being at the feet of the Vesuve, with the volcano itself looking more like the mount Fuji (cone shaped, with a crown of snow around the crater at the top). The volcano itself being as active as the Vesuve.

The idea had been suggested that the city was historically an old Porca-Porcan commercial counter on the peninsula that got absorbed into Equestria during the initial colonization of the peninsula by ponies; the porca-porcan being the equivalent of the Phenician in the Mediterranean in the Sea of Equestria. The Porca-Porcan in my idea being a very east-asian typed society, Neighpon would have been heavily influenced in its history by its close commercial ties with the Porca-Porcan (idea: an equivalent of Chinatown in Neighpon populated by porca-porcan pigs).

As for wartime Neighpon, the only idea I had was the city having experimented with geothermal power, and not only being completely powered by it by the end of the war, but also powering a non-negligible proportion of the peninsula's east coast. There was a vague idea that sabotages or incidents in the Days of Fire might have resulted into a catastrophic volcanic explosion.

The Post-war / wasteland state of Neighpon hasn't been defined yet.
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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:30 am

So Neighpon turned into Pompeii. That's an interesting idea.

My own guess is that they originally had a balance of different species, including zebras. They tried to mediate when tensions arose, but when Equestria declared war with the Caesar, both sides attempted to appeal to the city, one to defect and join the legion, the other to drive out the zebras. Neighpon chose instead to secede, joining neither side and assisting refugees. Armies from both sides attempted to take over the city, but it held. Only fell when fake refugees chemical / magically suicide bombed the place.

This may or may not have Ionian influneces.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:39 am

...Why would they secede, and how would they get away with it? Both of those seem really unbelievable. In any case, though, I recommend that this conversation move to the setting thread, as it's getting a bit off topic for the PH discussion thread.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:04 pm

Apologies, just some random speculation on my part. Not grounded in anything. Also I should really check out the Settings Thread.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:14 pm

SilentCarto wrote:I must be badly out of sync with the rest of the fandom, because I really liked the Breezy episode, but I didn't like Maud Pie at all
I liked Maud better than you did, but I did think it dragged in the middle a good bit. I always get a little tired of the character who apparently can't understand metaphor or idiom.

The Breezy thing wasn't bad, it was very cute and all, but I agree with some of the comments I've seen that it spends a lot of time explaining, but not explaining the right things. We don't need to spend so many lines examining why they can't adjust wind speed to help this group of breezies catch up with that other group or re-explaining some plot point -- but we could use an extra five or ten seconds on why it's bad to be carried to the portal on pegasus-back but fine to sit around somebody's house for hours and hours (why didn't the pollen go bad from that?) or looking at why the other breezies are so blase about getting home.

My headcannon is that Seabreeze wasn't entirely wrong (just rude) when he said the others were dummies; it's no coincidence that the one who has the smarts and drive to learn to speak english is also the one who has a sense of responsibility about getting their group to the doorway on time. Maybe your average breezy is something like the original version of Tinkerbell, "so small they can only feel one thing at a time", so a breezy who's having fun is just uninterested in moving along to the next thing, and doesn't think about time and schedules.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:16 pm

Scienza wrote:Ponies also had a thousand years of Celestia's rule, but they were able to adapt to the new government relatively quickly. So, I think that ponies would be able to transition from Luna's government to a new system.
Not really.  Quick adaptation like that was a reaction to terror and horror after Littlehorn.  They weren't saying "Yes, what we need is a stronger government with more intrusion into our lives!"  They were saying "OH GOD THIS IS TERRIBLE SOMEPONY DO SOMETHING!" and not looking too closely at what the 'something' entailed.  (And to be fair, the ones "doing something" weren't looking too closely as the long-term effects of their efforts; they were just trying to flail towards the goal with no real idea of how to get there.)

It's much easier to get people to do something because of fear and panic than to change, as it seems, just for the sake of change.  Is your average pony going to support restraints on the queen who saw them through the war and out the other side?  Are they going to support prosecution of famous people who took a "do whatever we have to" stance?  No -- they'd call it persecution of the winners.

neoaustin wrote:you know its bad when the apocalypse becomes the best outcome.....
Yep, and that's what Pinkie said, more or less, in the prison cell orb.  The bombs are the best chance for the future.  (oop, Carto got there first.  Figures.)

SilentCarto wrote:I gather that there were very few outcomes that didn't involve a full megaspell exchange, and if there were, they were too horrifying to consider.
I expect most of the alternatives involved something like the Core's dream-world.  If they'd won with weapons like Steelpony and IMP, those genies wouldn't go back into the bottle when the war ended.  They'd be only the start of twisting the whole population into something that's no longer human (er, pony.  You know what I mean!) and likely under the influence or outright control of an entity like the Eater.

Icy Shake wrote:Well, the alicorns wouldn't be an issue, at least not as they existed in FoE, since the Goddess wouldn't have been formed. So at least there's that.
Not as they were in FoE, but that doesn't mean safe. It isn't clear whether the hive mind thing is an inherent part of IMP-alicorns or created by the Goddess using Gestalt and Mosaic as two quarters of her base. Even if they weren't hive-minded, telepathic, or otherwise inherently un-pony, it's a seriously large population of -- let's face it -- inherently superior life forms. Even if they kept their minds and souls intact through all that, how long before they form an aristocracy that looks down on anyone who chose not to change?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Luminous Lead on Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:28 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Not to mention all the tech and industries that sprung up. Those companies under AJ's ministry aren't going down without a fight. They might form PMCS to deal with 'potential theats'.

Also, can't remember due to RPing too much: have there been mention of buffalo in FOE stories, or has species been limited to ponies, griffins, and zebras?

Begin Again has at least two factions of buffalo.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by RoboRed on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:10 am

Latest post from Kkat: http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/300179/the-littlehorn-valley-recordings

On other, unrelated news, someone on derpiboru did R34 of Boo. I honestly don't know how to feel about this.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Silver136 on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:43 am

RoboRed wrote:Latest post from Kkat: http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/300179/the-littlehorn-valley-recordings

On other, unrelated news, someone on derpiboru did R34 of Boo. I honestly don't know how to feel about this.
That's kind of weird, not only being r34, but it's boo. How would that even work?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Loud_Taffy on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:01 pm

Hi I'm new to the forum, just wanted to say a few things. First, this has got to be hands down the best story I have ever read. Second, I love that it isn't tragic like the first FoE. Third it better not end with blackjack dying and everyone reminiscing about her to her kid. And last, I totally got all the star wats doctor who FMA and the other references. Keep up the good work y'all and I patiently await the next chapter.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:21 pm

Loud_Taffy wrote:Hi I'm new to the forum, just wanted to say a few things. First, this has got to be hands down the best story I have ever read. Second, I love that it isn't tragic like the first FoE. Third it better not end with blackjack dying and everyone reminiscing about her to her kid. And last, I totally got all the star wats doctor who FMA and the other references. Keep up the good work y'all and I patiently await the next chapter.
Kay.
It'll definitely be this weekend or the next.
Somber has a bunch of papers to grade and Bronode has to work on Sunday.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:52 pm

Silver136 wrote:
RoboRed wrote:On other, unrelated news, someone on derpiboru did R34 of Boo. I honestly don't know how to feel about this.
That's kind of weird, not only being r34, but it's boo. How would that even work?
Well... it's just a plot-shot.  Since ponies don't wear clothes, it's quite literally what you would see just by approaching her from back, nothing really special...

Of course I'm weird though, and have considered drawing similar (or worse) things myself...

Loud_Taffy wrote:Hi I'm new to the forum [...]
Welcome, Taffy. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:07 pm

Loud_Taffy wrote:Hi I'm new to the forum, just wanted to say a few things. First, this has got to be hands down the best story I have ever read. Second, I love that it isn't tragic like the first FoE. Third it better not end with blackjack dying and everyone reminiscing about her to her kid. And last, I totally got all the star wats doctor who FMA and the other references. Keep up the good work y'all and I patiently await the next chapter.
I already welcomed you in the chat thread, but welcome again. And yes, as swicked said, we hope to get it out this weekend or the next.

To everyone: Please don't take that as a reason to crowd the hub page so much that we can't actually access it to release the chapter.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:38 pm

Loud_Taffy wrote:First, this has got to be hands down the best story I have ever read.
You must not read much.  Twilight Sparkle 

I kid, but seriously, this kind of comment actually sort of bothers me. It feels a little... well... disingenuous to toss around superlatives like "best story ever" which, let's be honest, can't possibly hold up. My gut reaction goes something like, "Well, it's nice of you to say that, but we both know you're just saying that."

Which is in no way a dig against Somber. He's done an amazing job, and I've loved every minute of this ride. It's just that I, for one, would be hard-pressed to select my favorite author when I have to compare, say, Terry Pratchett's humor against Lovecraft's amosphere or Jim Butcher's energy, much less pick out a favorite story. I think it's a much higher honor to compliment something specific.

PH is so gripping that I have to make sure I have a four-hour block free before I start reading a chapter, it does a great job of making me empathize with the characters, and it has managed to tug some heartstrings I was sure had been completely desensitized by FOE. (And no, I'm not talking about Black. It's the quiet, contemplative moments that really get me, like when BJ has finally turned on the sabotaged air talisman and there's nothing left to do but stand there and watch her home die.)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:55 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
Loud_Taffy wrote:First, this has got to be hands down the best story I have ever read.
You must not read much.  Twilight Sparkle 

I kid, but seriously, this kind of comment actually sort of bothers me. It feels a little... well... disingenuous to toss around superlatives like "best story ever" which, let's be honest, can't possibly hold up. My gut reaction goes something like, "Well, it's nice of you to say that, but we both know you're just saying that."

Which is in no way a dig against Somber. He's done an amazing job, and I've loved every minute of this ride. It's just that I, for one, would be hard-pressed to select my favorite author when I have to compare, say, Terry Pratchett's humor against Lovecraft's amosphere or Jim Butcher's energy, much less pick out a favorite story. I think it's a much higher honor to compliment something specific.

PH is so gripping that I have to make sure I have a four-hour block free before I start reading a chapter, it does a great job of making me empathize with the characters, and it has managed to tug some heartstrings I was sure had been completely desensitized by FOE. (And no, I'm not talking about Black. It's the quiet, contemplative moments that really get me, like when BJ has finally turned on the sabotaged air talisman and there's nothing left to do but stand there and watch her home die.)
I too would have quite a difficult time picking an absolute favorite, but I don't see why this couldn't indeed be, in their opinion, the best story that Lord_Taffy has ever read. That status depends on the perceived-by-them qualities of all stories ever read by Lord_Taffy, which we do not know.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Loud_Taffy on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:05 pm

I have read everything from Harry potter to pendragon, Star Trek, and FoE. I can say with confidence that this is the most gripping and satisfying plot I have read so far. I started reading last week and I am now halfway through ch. 64. I've prob ruined my eyesight reading on my phone but still best story I've read so far.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:26 pm

O. Hinds wrote:And yes, as swicked said, we hope to get it out this weekend or the next.
Best case scenario we get it out this weekend. There's a lot of work for a single day, but Hinds has said they've done as much before. Not in my experience, but I'm new.
Most likely next weekend, barring something dramatic.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:37 pm

Silver136 wrote:That's kind of weird, not only being r34, but it's boo. How would that even work?
Um... Not to be crude, but what do you mean, how would it work? Moral implications aside, Boo is physically all there... She's mindless (pre-core), not a Barbie doll...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Silver136 on Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:49 pm

FeatherDust wrote:
Silver136 wrote:That's kind of weird, not only being r34, but it's boo. How would that even work?
Um... Not to be crude, but what do you mean, how would it work?  Moral implications aside, Boo is physically all there... She's mindless (pre-core), not a Barbie doll...
I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of "how would it happen?" Boo has only now spoken, and that's under the control of Discord. She can't really say anything then so I guess I'm looking at consensuality. Just over thinking it I guess. I do that a lot.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:54 pm

swicked wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:And yes, as swicked said, we hope to get it out this weekend or the next.
Best case scenario we get it out this weekend. There's a lot of work for a single day, but Hinds has said they've done as much before. Not in my experience, but I'm new.
Most likely next weekend, barring something dramatic.
Wait, a single day?  What?  Do you know something I don't?

As far as I'm aware, we've a full session scheduled for Saturday and six hours on Sunday.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:21 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
swicked wrote:
O. Hinds wrote:And yes, as swicked said, we hope to get it out this weekend or the next.
Best case scenario we get it out this weekend. There's a lot of work for a single day, but Hinds has said they've done as much before. Not in my experience, but I'm new.
Most likely next weekend, barring something dramatic.
Wait, a single day?  What?  Do you know something I don't?

As far as I'm aware, we've a full session scheduled for Saturday and six hours on Sunday.
I dunno, I'm probably wrong. It's either my memory or more emails/communications I'm missing out on.

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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:22 pm

Ah, okay. I sent an enquiring email out, though, just in case.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Downloaded Skill on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:47 pm

Hey guys I was talking with a friend about PH and he brought up a point I thought I should bring up here. After Hightower why is Blackjack oddly okay with Carrion killing Ahuizotl? She is initially shocked, but her first thought was that Carrion melted the cash that Ahuizotl had. Considering that Blackjack was saddened when other minor villains were executed, like the Brimstone Falls administrator, this seems oddly unlike her. Blackjack admitted that Ahuiztol deserved it which seems even weirder considering her belief of allowing people to "do better". What do you guys think?
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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:46 pm

Ahuizotl had had over two centuries to decide to do better, was motivated by simple greed rather than something higher (Blackjack wasn't too terribly broken up about Brass either), and fell in the process of selling out Blackjack and his own home, IIRC. I'm sure that Blackjack would have preferred to reform him, and she still might not have killed him herself. With him dead anyway, though, well. Even less use crying over spilt milk when the milk was sour.
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Post by Downloaded Skill on Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:56 pm

Some words to that effect might help a bit. Without herself or other people commenting on it the whole event seems weird considering Blackjack's character. Blackjack talks to Carrion at the club soon after so it would relatively easy to put a few sentences there in an organic, believable manner. I don't think the "spilt milk" argument works considering Blackjack has been beating herself up over spilled milk for most of the book.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Icy Shake on Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:00 pm

Loud_Taffy wrote:I have read everything from Harry potter to pendragon, Star Trek, and FoE. I can say with confidence that this is the most gripping and satisfying plot I have read so far. I started reading last week and I am now halfway through ch. 64. I've prob ruined my eyesight reading on my phone but still best story I've read so far.  
I love the story and can appreciate the benefit of mobility, but nevertheless I must ask, at least rhetorically: why would you do that to yourself‽
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:11 pm

Silver136 wrote:
FeatherDust wrote:
Silver136 wrote:That's kind of weird, not only being r34, but it's boo. How would that even work?
Um... Not to be crude, but what do you mean, how would it work?  Moral implications aside, Boo is physically all there... She's mindless (pre-core), not a Barbie doll...
I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of "how would it happen?" Boo has only now spoken, and that's under the control of Discord. She can't really say anything then so I guess I'm looking at consensuality. Just over thinking it I guess. I do that a lot.

Gah, I know that while it might be easy to miss some details if I could find a bunch of counter examples to the who "Boo is mindless" argument and put them all together... but I can't find examples because those are needles in a big haystack. Yeah she doesn't talk pre-towercrush, but she's had tons of examples of complex behavior that I can't prove right now. I think that it was implied she got embarrassed about the topic of sex somewhere in the Society chapters but I just had a look and couldn't find it. Assuming that is what happened it's possible that Discord might have informed Boo about sex at some point, and blanks are created at physical maturity... regardless, the picture in question is just a "dirty" picture of Boo, not a picture of her having sex.

Icy Shake wrote:
Loud_Taffy wrote:I have read everything from Harry potter to pendragon, Star Trek, and FoE. I can say with confidence that this is the most gripping and satisfying plot I have read so far. I started reading last week and I am now halfway through ch. 64. I've prob ruined my eyesight reading on my phone but still best story I've read so far.  
I love the story and can appreciate the benefit of mobility, but nevertheless I must ask, at least rhetorically: why would you do that to yourself‽

On the bright side, now Taffy can re-read the entire story! (At a much slower pace and on something that's not a phone.) Which is actually worth it because every chapter has lots of clever foreshadowing and other fun details that are easy to miss the first time around.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:16 pm

Loud_Taffy wrote:I have read everything from Harry potter to pendragon, Star Trek, and FoE. I can say with confidence that this is the most gripping and satisfying plot I have read so far. I started reading last week and I am now halfway through ch. 64. I've prob ruined my eyesight reading on my phone but still best story I've read so far.
Well, okay then. Just as you say.

Derpmind wrote:Gah, I know that while it might be easy to miss some details if I could find a bunch of counter examples to the who "Boo is mindless" argument and put them all together... but I can't find examples because those are needles in a big haystack. Yeah she doesn't talk pre-towercrush, but she's had tons of examples of complex behavior that I can't prove right now.
Keep in mind, we've only known her pre-Discord within the context of Hippocratic. That said, she did figure out how to use an assault rifle on her own.

I think that it was implied she got embarrassed about the topic of sex somewhere in the Society chapters but I just had a look and couldn't find it.
She did, but Discord was driving at that point.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Loud_Taffy on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:45 pm

Wait which chapter is next 65 or 66
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Post by O. Hinds on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 pm

65. Why?
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