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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:58 pm

Somber wrote:What if Luna lost her wings in a terrorist attack?  Or her horn?

A medical pony would regrow it? Like Lacunae did for BJ or velvet did for... Silver belle? Who was that pony Ditzy adopted?

Not the wings though.

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Exodus Hero on Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:52 am

O. Hinds wrote:
Exodus Hero wrote:So I made a short story about the starmetal sword after my thirteen hour shift. I'm pretty sleep deprived when I wrote it so maybe posting it isn't the greatest idea but I don't care. Hope you guys enjoy it.

Spoiler:
Radroach Champion or The Starmetal Sword Chronicles Part I of ???
...Huh.  This is not something I ever expected to read.  :)
glad you enjoyed it :D
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:15 am

Currently up to page 37 (of 50) in doing my commentary... I'm really sorry it's taking so long, Somber and Hinds.


Exodus Hero wrote:So I made a short story about the starmetal sword after my thirteen hour shift. I'm pretty sleep deprived when I wrote it so maybe posting it isn't the greatest idea but I don't care. Hope you guys enjoy it.

Spoiler:
Radroach Champion or The Starmetal Sword Chronicles Part I of ???
This was certainly an interesting idea, Exodus, I approve.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:11 am

WavemasterRyx wrote:Currently up to page 37 (of 50) in doing my commentary...  I'm really sorry it's taking so long, Somber and Hinds.
Don't worry about it.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:25 pm

Ch.20: "Yeah? Insecure gods don't impress me," I said as pulled out Cupcake's memory orb.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Same chapter: "Once we got downstairs, I slammed with door behind us."
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:11 pm

Icy Shake wrote:Considering the turnover there, a link would be prohibitively maintenance-intensive. But I've changed the entry to "Looking for random discussions that may or may not have anything to do with the story? Check out the [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread!" so I hope that's a better fit for the new reality. Silent, if you'd like a rollback or other changes, let me know and I'll edit them in.
Sounds good to me. Thanks!

Icy Shake wrote:I'm still not 100% sold on control of extra body parts being standard to Steelpony, and would be interested to see more indication either way. And in fact, fingers weren't part of the project, but Rover's addition. Granted, that's a specific application an not the general case, but the added control capability could still have been subsequent, parallel development on the part of Rover and Stable 101. (I had thought FoE implied that new work continued in 101 after the war, but I'm not sure on this.)
FOE did indicate that 101 advanced the art of cybernetics during their lockdown, but the more we see of pre-war cybernetics, the more it seems like adding new body parts is not considered an obstacle. For instance, Steelpony included mentally-controlled integrated weapons on its very first subject, Deus. Sending a set of fixed commands like "Fire" and "Load from magazine 2" might be simpler than manipulating a whole new appendage, but that's a difference of scale, not of kind. It's an eight-button NES controller compared to a Xbox 360 with fourteen binary buttons and six 8-bit analog axes -- the latter is more technically challenging, but they both still comes down to manipulating a set of binary switches.

Now that I think about it, even with no cybernetics at all, Littlepip could apparently kick in SATS, select weapons and targets, and confirm or undo the selections as a purely mental action. BJ could mentally press "Yes" and "No" buttons when firing Folly prior to any upgrades. So perhaps the technology to read and interpret the user's intent is not unique to cybernetics at all, but an off-the-shelf technology (developed by Stable-Tec?) that Project Steelpony incorporated for that purpose.

Icy Shake wrote:Also, I think that from an outside perspective, it's thematically stronger if the model was designed for Luna, as it establishes a sort of link between them, with Blackjack now in the body of (intended for) the original Maiden of Stars.
That's an interesting point.

Ultimately, though, I guess it wouldn't make much sense for Steelpony to fail to takes the victim's target's patient's proportions into account by default. Suppose you wanted to apply the same cybernetic modifications to, let's say, Applejack, Mr. Cake, and Big Macintosh. You'd need three different, unique protocols unless Steelpony could automatically adjust the design to account for the differences in size, gender, and facial structure -- and that's without even getting into different tribes. So even if we assume the Eclipse protocol was intended specifically for Luna, it would actually be kind of strange to think that it would warp BJ's proportions to match Luna's.

Icy Shake wrote:Anyway, this morning I was thinking about how the nature of Equestrian gemstones in PH might reflect on or impact Rarity's special talent for jewel location. Does that suggest she always had a special affinity for souls, or things altered by them? Does her talent apply to ordinary minerals, like the ones Goldenblood showed to his students as examples of chemically identical minerals from elsewhere? Could that have made her predisposed to consider soul magic where most were instinctively repelled? And might it help her better understand the needs and desires of others?
Hmmm. It's possible, I suppose. I'm not sure that Equestrian gemstones contain souls per se, though, considering how inviolate souls are supposed to be outside of the darkest of dark magic, and the fact that said gemstones are not at all indestructable. It seems more like they contain a finite supply of "life force" or whatever fundamental spark it is that Enervation sucks out of you.

P.S. You know, I kinda wish Kkat would go back and add Sombra's "eye streamers" effect when Snips is using the soul-cutting spell on Rarity. Oh well...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:38 pm

Vergil wrote:Ch.20: "Yeah? Insecure gods don't impress me," I said as pulled out Cupcake's memory orb.
Vergil wrote:Same chapter: "Once we got downstairs,  I slammed with door behind us."
Ah, thank you.

If I may ask, why do you prefer to put each error in a separate post?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:41 pm

I'm cur restricted to using the mobile version of the site and I'm not sure how to edit my posts =/
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by RoboRed on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:49 pm

The button off the the far right of either posting page (the one that looks like a sheet of paper with a folded corner) toggles editor mode, which makes it easier to edit/make posts. Although it's still a bitch to do it by phone.

EDIT: Herp-derp. I don't believe the mobile version of the site has that. I always use the regular version of the site on my phone to make posts.

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Post by Silver136 on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:51 pm

Actually I've done all my posting by phone so far, which is why my posts are usually pretty short...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:14 pm

Vergil wrote:I'm cur restricted to using the mobile version of the site and I'm not sure how to edit my posts =/
Ah, I see. I'm glad this came up, as editing posts of this nature for aught except correcting no-error-related typos would be a very, very bad idea. Please, please, please do not do it should you acquire the capability to.
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Post by Vergil on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:21 pm

You got it, I'll keep doing things this way (and I'll try not to cut off words of my own like the previous post too...stupid autocorrect).
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:58 pm

Vergil wrote:You got it, I'll keep doing things this way (and I'll try not to cut off words of my own like the previous post too...stupid autocorrect).
Thanks. On a computer, you could also build up a list and then post multiple errors in one go, but I shan't ask you to do that on a phone. :)
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Post by Icy Shake on Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:05 pm

SilentCarto: Good points on Steelpony. I'll need to keep those in mind, especially regarding the relation with PipBucks. (But man, it just reminds me of the question of how do PipBucks, particularly where S.A.T.S. is concerned, and even more so with melee attacks and non-integrated weaponry used by non-unicorns, even work? (Magic? Magic.)
As for the gems, it's true that they don't contain souls, at least not like pony souls. Life essence/force works well. I still think it's interesting to speculate on the relation to Rarity's talent, of course.

RoboRed wrote:EDIT: Herp-derp. I don't believe the mobile version of the site has that. I always use the regular version of the site on my phone to make posts.
Same here, but I don't post from mobile because that just seems awful for anything longer than a line. Perhaps with a tablet, and ideally an attached keyboard . . .
But I really detest websites that force you to the mobile version when you're on a mobile device.

Anyway, moving on through chapter thirty five, which set the stage for a surprising number of plot lines, considering such a large portion of it was Blackjack alone in a library or at a personal gathering. Also, it was a rare chapter with no dreams, visions, mind-dives, or memory orbs.

Chapter thirty five running thoughts:
Well, not too much happened in this chapter—it was pretty low-key, in a way a softer, nicer version of the latter half of chapter thirty four—but it had some important character moments and did heavy heavy groundwork, laying the foundations for future plot threads.

Starting with the latter: we see more of the mystery of the Enervation rings, including that they are all around Equestria and applying electricity to one (a fresh one) is not enough, on its own, to cause an Enervation spike.
We have the first hints of the Harbingers, with the evangelists sent out to entice people to go there for easy salvage, complete with "Hoofington Rises." Also, the shred-your-innards-and-blow-you-up spell or device. (Gotta love the divergence in reactions between the Hoofingtonites and even Littlepip's group.) The other thing drawing Blackjack back to Hoofington was the failure of the MASEBS towers there. Blackjack commits to getting Chimaera, and soon, and relatedly raises the questions about the nature of taint, responding to Littlepip's assertion that it's just IMP by observing that that wouldn't explain why it's all over or why the Gardens included a spell to purge it before it ever existed. Lastly, there's the question of which ministry mare Blackjack is descended from, as well as the door test and getting the book from Twilight's office. The former isn't definitively answered for quite a while, but going in knowing it it's hard not to see all the signs (although, the Pinkie-related stuff should have been a stronger tip-off than it was for me). The book ties in to her need to restore her magic, and what becomes her ongoing effort to improve her magic beyond what it was before.

Homage gets to be depicted as someone who genuinely cares about Littlepip, and is deeply concerned for her safety but more so that she may fall to the dark side. Sadly, she gives no indication of knowing what she can do to help beyond just being there. The forceful assertion that Blackjack is a good pony doesn't come off as well as Glory's lighter, more pleading one; it's not an appeal from someone who really understands her.

We also get to see fragments of Goldenblood's past, including things from his mother documenting their travels in the zebra lands and talking a little about some of the zebra tribes, notably including that there were more "star touched" tribes than just the Starkatteri, with the Carmilala specifically named. There were also pictures of him from Luna's Academy, showing his friendship with Luna and suggesting an association with Psalm. We also hear that he was ordered executed for his role in the Gardens, but that the bombs fell the next day. Also, I think this is when we first learn that he lived near Black Pony Mountain (funnily, I forgot about that until I went back to find the name of his mother).

But the biggest character moments to me were both related to bad guys, and the ties to members of the Blackjack crew.

First there's the Goddess, and her feeling of alienation from everyone else, in particular that nobody outside of Unity is even capable of respecting her or understanding her or appreciating her, only fearing her. Granted, given that her long term plan would kill everyone who doesn't join Unity, thus necessarily including all the non-ponies, that's hardly unfair. The irony, of course, is that not only would she be in many ways stronger by not dumping all her self-doubt and angst into Lacunae, but it's because of that that she faces the hate and distrust she does. But having excised so much of her empathy, she can't even see that anymore. And, of course, Lacunae has some fun pretending to be the Goddess, but offers some things from her own perspective causing Blackjack to catch on and as about it, leading to a line echoing Blackjack's parting shot to Caprice:
Blackjack: “This isn’t the Goddess I’m talking to, is it?”
Lacunae: “No.  It’s not.  But wouldn’t it be wonderful if it were?”
Granted, none of that is really new. What is, though, is something she says during a conversation with Littlepip, asking if she had a plan to stop the Goddess (it's ambiguous whether it was meant in the narrow sense of stopping the Goddess from forcing Littlepip to join Unity, or more general; it's likely the former, but could extend beyond); Littlepip says she does, and Lacunae thinks that good. Of course, she's been in ways frustrated with or at the least implicitly disapproving of the Goddess before, but I think that this may be the first time she actively wishes the undermining of her.

Then there's Blackjack's understanding of Deus, after sex with Glory, realizing that it was one of the first things that really made her feel alive, feel like a pony, since becoming a cyborg. And I don't think it's coincidence that earlier in the chapter she listed him (along with Sanguine and Goldenblood) as ponies that just deserved to be hated. This is a key moment, along with how it's already showing through that she's not really dealing with her rape (at the moment, it's a sort of generalized cloud over everything, but not yet manifesting as flashes of fear around males), leading to the fear male contact/Stygius/Glory thread, in that it establishes one of the reasons why it matters so much that she not be paralyzed by fear and flashbacks whenever a male gets close to her (not that it's not important anyway, but this is something highly specific to her own situation).

Lastly, both Scotch and Pyrelight playing together and Glory's/Littlepip's sexual hangups were funny and cute, but I have to give the edge to Scotch and Pyrelight because the latter was played to death in FoE.
Chapter thirty five overall thoughts:
“Glory told me to come in and ask you about hangovers!  She said you probably had a doozy of one, so I should talk really loudly!”

Sadism or teaching her a lesson? Or both?


“So, Blackjack, are you hungover?  Do you need me to talk louder?  Hey, Blackjack!  Can you hear me now?  Blackjack!”

Shades of Navi?


I could kill them.  I could kill them all.  No court in the Wasteland would convict me…

What courts? And think of all the other people you've killed that no court will convict you of.


I needed food… power… metal… Med-X or something to make my head stop feeling so... ugh… and somepony who could fill me in on what exactly had happened last night… morning… conscious time!

Because taking morphine for a hangover seems like a great idea!


“I think she’s had enough Wild P for one lifetime,” Glory said with a somewhat stern smile that told me I was in a bit of trouble.

Lies! There'll be time enough for sobriety later.

“Did you really drink all six bottles in four hours?  I’m pretty sure that would have killed anypony else,” the odd buck said.

Well, in fairness, she only drank five of them, having given one to Calamity. Still, even with Littlepip having a bit, that ends up being a scant few ounces short of a gallon of base liquor.

The fact that she’s capable of interfacing with that program tells me that there’s more to Blackjack than meets the eye.

And with how many transformations she's undergone . . .


Many of [Life Bloom's] order[, the Twilight Society,] believe this building to be the last remaining bastion of old Equestria.

Because they aparrently don't get out much and aren't aware of either the Steel Rangers or the Enclave. Or they're just self-important jackasses.


And on the other end of the spectrum… there are those saying that, if she is… then she is the legitimate head of the Twilight Society.

And another stupid opinion. Was the M.A.S. set up as an organization ruled by inherited right? Hardly—it was a branch of the civil service! Maybe the Society was, but it was created after her death and she was never a part of it.


I wasn’t Twilight’s descendant!  I couldn’t be.  I was nopony.  A screwup!  If I were related to Twilight, then… then I’d be responsible for fixing the entire Wasteland!  I’d have to use EC-1101 to do… something!  I couldn’t even fix Hoofington yet.

Wow, everyone seems to be in a really dynastic mindset today. At least for Blackjack, though, that's been ingrained in her for her whole life, with all responsibilities in her whole world until a few weeks prior passed matrilinearly. And, of course, more of her freaking out over the prospect of really being responsible for things. Granted, it seems implicit within this that she's taken up Hoofington as her personal responsibility of her own accord, it seems to an even greater extent than before, extending past fixing the fallout of her own mistakes, the war between the Reapers and Rangers in particular.


“Are you sure you don’t want to eat something first?” Glory asked as she looked up at me in worry.  “You look even paler than a white pony should.”  I shook my head firmly.  With the way my guts churned, I was certain that I was going to puke if I actually had something in my… wait… those were guts, right?

Should have remembered the recipe for Caprice's hangover shot and asked for some of those.


“I know you told me I did good things, but it all feels like a lie.  It feels wrong… like I’m winning some sort of prize I didn’t earn.”

And it's not a good feeling at all.


“Please… please please please let it be somepony else,” I prayed aloud as I walked to the doors.  I closed my eyes, suddenly glad I couldn’t hyperventilate.

I don't recall the exact way it was opened later, but for all the different explanations of how the door worked, I don't recall anyone suggesting it didn't open simply because she didn't want it to.


I couldn’t imagine anypony being physically able to read all these books in one lifetime.  Maybe P-21 or Glory.  Me, I doubt I’d read more than ten books in my entire life.

That may be true, but who's to say the place doesn't have a periodicals section? You've read a fair number of them.


“It’s not lying, Homage.  It’s being honest,” . . . “Lying would be saying I’m awesome and ignoring the fact that I’ve gotten ponies killed.  That I’ve murdered… so many… who didn’t deserve it.  If there were a guidebook for messing up, I’d be the author.  And no matter how much I try to tell myself I’ve paid the price and I’m even, the honest truth is that I’ll always be a murderer.  The second I forget that or it doesn’t matter… that’s when I’ll be a monster.”

Great speech right there, and an important rebuttal to the assertion that there's a simple truth to everything, especially regarding perceptions and people. For all that, though, I still have trouble not thinking "THE ELEMENT OF HONESTY!" [/deep announcer voice] with pretty high regularity when Homage does and says stuff.


I think that the reason you’re so glad Twilight’s not a part of you is that it would disrupt this perfect little horrible picture you have of yourself.

And that's where Homage is, I think, wrong, not knowing about (well, picking up on) Blackjack's severe inferiority complex; it could potentially/did inspire her to do better over time, but forcing the comparison would immediately only raise the bar she compared herself to, when she already felt she didn't measure up.


“Someday, you will know the truth.  Someday, you’ll know what it’s like to live without hating yourself.”

Specifically—or at least one of the major milestones being—the end of chapter sixty two part one.


Some ponies deserved to be hated.  Like Goldenblood.  Like Sanguine.  Like Deus.

[/irony] Now, this makes me think of Ender Wiggin, particularly in Speaker for the Dead, in that so often the hate is blunted once you come to understand them, which is of course the core of his philosophy. Granted, it didn't work as much for Sanguine, and remains to be seen with Goldenblood.


Hm. Littlepip/Homage fallout from the kiss, with Glory. I think I can wrap my head around it this time.


Luna… I suddenly realized that I knew almost nothing about what Luna actually did to run the country.  The ministries took care of the war effort.  The O.I.A. took care of all the dirty business.  So what was Luna doing the whole time?  I knew more about Goldenblood than I did the monarch of the country!

I was surprised to find that Eclipse doesn't seem to be introduced for another fourteen chapters after this, since it seems almost like a lead-in to that.


“Okay.  I get the message.  Stop freaking out, cut out the self hating, and start doing better.  I get it.”
“About time,” the Dealer rasped, and I spun, tripped, and fell on my back looking up at the old pony.  His milky eyes stared down at me as he worked his cards.
“I thought they’d cut you out of my brain!” I shouted as I thrust my hoof at him.
“Oh, I reckon there’s more than enough left you’re not using for me to hide in,” he said dryly with a smile.

Wow, way to let the chance to snark undermine what you were just saying, Dealer.


“This isn’t a bad place, Blackjack.  You could make a life for yourself here.  You and your friends, away from the Hoof.”

Now that we know what the Dealer is, this kind of takes on a new meaning for me, though of course he probably figures there's no way he can return to Luna to be freed in any case.


“If you want to make caps, get to Hoofington,” she said with the faint slur of somepony who’d had one drink more than they should.  “A quick in and out and you’ll solve all your monetary problems.”

At first, I was thinking this weird considering Blackjack's time, but then, she raised over 10,000 caps in a couple of weeks.


“Hurts…” she whimpered as she rolled off the table and suddenly screamed.  She rolled in agony, and her mouth puked a bloody foam.

I wonder how exactly they got it in her, considering it sounds like she just took stuff from them and left.


The inside of that prospector hadn’t just been blown apart but shredded from the inside.  Apparently, that wasn’t common in Tenpony…
Damn, was I really this jaded?  

Ahem, Ms. Bison. From last night:
“This is one of the crazier things I think I’ve ever done,” [Littlepip] yelled over the shrieks as we rolled along.
I took a long pull off one of the bottles of whiskey, watching the text in my E.F.S. warning me of the drug toxicity that my system was trying to purge.  “Really?  I thought it was Tuesday.”


There, sitting quietly in its unsmashed case, was a silver ring about the size of my hoof.  Just like in the back room of Silverstar Sporting Supplies and just like the ring that had been tossed at Lacunae during the battle.  The Enervation rings weren’t just in Hoofington.  Suddenly, I had the feeling they were in a whole lot more places than just Hoofington.

Of course, that leads to, why isn't the Enervation noticed elsewhere, even as isolated pockets? True, they don't normally do much, but all it seemed to take was an electricity source to make their presence obvious.

Life Bloom rummaged in Helpinghoof’s cupboards, came back with a battery and two wires, and carefully attached them to the ring.  Again… nothing.

Or, not quite. Ah, that's right, it only happens after something dies nearby.


Blackjack was now half synthetic.  Blackjack had spent three days braindead.  Blackjack was attacking strange mares who exploded!  These were not signs that Blackjack was okay.

In fairness, that last one happens a lot, just with a more direct, obvious causal link between the two.


The idea of being stuck here was starting to creep up on me.  I hated waiting.  I needed to do.  To act.  To get things done.  Otherwise, I was going to start thinking.

It kind of began in thirty four, but here's where it really becomes clear, I think, and continues (if interrupted whenever she is doing things) until "Reaper"/"Lucidity."


The discovery of a silver ring here in Tenpony had panicked me, but now there wasn’t much I could do.  Why it wasn’t causing the eye-bleeding mind screams was beyond me.

It's actually kind of funny that the in-universe reason basically amounts to "because it just isn't as shitty here as it is in Hoofington."


Rubies were spicy, emeralds tasted like spearmint, sapphires like peppermint, amethysts were fruity, citrines tangy… aside from your local dragon, who knew?  Oh… and rocks tasted like mud.

Of course she would try rocks. Of course, she'd probably know what mud tasted like even without her unique dietary choices.


Maybe I could find another silver bullet and pay the Goddess a visit... but... what would that do to Lacunae?  And did I still even have Folly?  Probably not.  And should I use it if I did?  But if nopony stopped the Goddess... urrrrghh!

What is this madness, actually thinking about the side effects of blowing up the Goddess, and caring about them? That's not how you get things done!


The rest of the Wasteland is filled with cowardly, craven, cruel ponies who fear our potential or slavishly worship us for our power.  They do not respect us.  They cannot!  And you ask why we cannot coexist with them when they are unable to accept us!

Well, fearing your potential seems like a pretty rational thing to do when your program includes the genocide of anyone who doesn't join up with you. And considering your position of relative power, it would behoove you to make the initial overtures, and renounce the plan to eliminate everyone else first. As for the don't and cannot respect you, well, that seems like a shadow of Trixie's resentment and lack of self-esteem.


“This isn’t the Goddess I’m talking to, is it?” I said softly, looking up at her with a little smile.
She looked wistful as she turned away.  “No.  It’s not.  But wouldn’t it be wonderful if it were?”

A great end to probably the best conversation in the chapter so far.


And heck, I hadn’t come across many decent orbs to spend time in.

Wow, that's not a sour grapes attitute at all.


I hit my head on the leg of the reading desk and hissed, rubbing my skull.  Why hadn’t they thought to armor that, huh?

Well . . . you'll get it later? And wish you handn't, too.


Anyway, if he wanted to kick my tail, he’d have to come down here and get it.  No way I’d ever be heading to Thunderhead any time soon.

Just another of the seemingly sound predictions she makes that gets smashed to smithereens by her unsound life.


Moving around, I spotted Scotch Tape seated next to a giant green flaming bird.  Given that nopony in the room was alarmed at this, I assumed it was some sort of pet.  It seemed the two were locked in a staring contest of sorts, only from the expression on Scotch’s face she clearly expected to be eaten if she lost.

Is it bad that Pyrelight is actually one of my favorite characters from Littlepip's group?


“What do you say, Glory?  I’ve got an itch in my nethers, a non-stick hoof, and these things!” I said, popping out my fingers and wiggling them.
Glory and LittlePip stared at us, perfect copies of one another, jaws dropped and cheeks flaming.

Never forgot that little scene.


“You were getting that whole ‘kicking yourself for having fun’ look going,” she replied with a smile.  “You can’t run off this very second and you aren’t a bad pony for enjoying yourself.  Just letting you know.”

Hm . . . that's exactly how Glory starts handling it later on. I think that at some point there's even a sentence or two that's nearly identical in structure, tone, and content.


I’m afraid that something will happen… something like… like what you had to do in Stable 99.  She’ll have to make a choice… or she’ll go too far… or something.

Well, there'll be Maripony, but then she never really seemed to affected by that (which may be the kind of thing she's talking about, actually, though hopefully she at least thought about the consequences before having the memories extracted), and there'll be Arbu, which will be stupid.


“It helps if you think of her as a foal dropped on her head… repeatedly.”
“Don’t forget the lead paint!” I called after them, getting a look from LittlePip.  “What?  That stuff’s good.”

First of all, it's important to bear in mind she's probably serious; she has in narration said she's eaten wallpaper paste, for instance. However, it looks like since then she hasn't eaten lead paint, and that's a little disappointing, especially since it presumably wouldn't even be bad for her anymore. Or at least probably quite a bit less harmful than glass.


“WE WILL SAVE WHAT WE CAN, HOW BEST WE CAN.  WE SHALL THRIVE IN THIS WORLD.  REMEMBER OUR ACCORD, AND THEN YOU WILL LEARN THE PEACE THAT COMES THOUGH UNITY!”

Sadly, since the summer I've had trouble not imagining the Goddess's voice as Michael Shannon's General Zod from Man of Steel.
And lines like this don't help with that.

LittlePip drew Little Macintosh, but I shook my head hard.

Especially with, you know, the rubber bullets.


“She hoped to convince you.  To truly convince you.  She did not expect… that…” she said as she slumped against the wall.  “Now she’s feeling shame… and doubt… and questioning herself.”
“She is?” Velvet asked in astonishment.  “Then maybe…” but Lacunae sniffed softly and shook her head.

. . . You . . . haven't been paying attention, have you, Velvet?


“But Glory… what we did together… it was the first thing I’ve really done that made me feel like… like a pony.  Like I was more than a machine.  And making you feel good… making you happy… it made me feel like I’m more than just a source of misery and pain for you.  I know that [Deus] was a monster for what he did… but given how he felt… I know how important it was to him.”

Probably the second big character moment of the chapter, after all the great Goddess/Lacunae stuff. But I think it also matters that this realization is continued development of an understanding beginning from when she was in his orb and knew his constant physical agony, and his penis as the only part of his body not feeling that way. What's more, it sets up why it's so important to her, and by extension why it will later matter so much that she can't stand to be touched by (most? I forget if she had that reaction to, say, P-21) males, setting up for l'affaire Stygius.
Chapter thirty five editing matters:
I’m fairly that certain all of that went right over the olive mare’s head, though, as she screeched,

"I'm fairly certain that all" or "I'm fairly certain all," and I'm not sure that "mare" is really right for Scotch at this point; it should probably be "filly" again.


making my stomach-thing lurch and my bladder (Did I still have that?) clench.

Should "did" be capitalized?


Did they crown you? Why were

Only one space after question mark.


Sitting on the opposite couch were Homage and a strange buck with a candy-cane-striped mane.

Minor thing and requires a bit more complex formatting, but the ideal here is "candy <space> cane <en-dash> striped."


She was the element of magic!

Should "element of magic" be capitalized? This hasn't come up much, but generosity and loyalty have each come up once, and both were capitalized.


Surprise, surprise... There were even more bookshelves in here,

Should have second space after ellipsis or not capitalize "there."


(I probably should have asked which book Life Bloom wanted, but...eh, I could do that later)

Should have space after ellipsis.


Rainbow Dash.  Rarity. Fluttershy.

Only one space following the period after "Rarity."


I’ve known ponies whose fuckups killed millions. “Trying doesn’t mean

Only one space after the period.


I’m Blackjack, and no matter how lacking I may be, I was supposed to do magic.

I think "may" should be "might," to be in the past rather than present tense.


but once you’ve found a spot, you’ll…” The prospector mare suddenly

Should have second space after the quotation.


“So, by Scrapyard?”  I asked with a grin as I jumped

Should have only one space after the quotation.


“Now get the fuck out of my-“

Second hyphen for dash.


‘Them.’  Conspiracies.  Killings.

I think that the period after "them" should be outside the quotation marks.


what remained into broken steel.   I wanted to be out of breath,

Three spaces after the period.


Darn things are all over the Wasteland. Even get into stables,

Only one space after the period.


Rampage drawled.   The talk of radroaches was distracting

Three spaces after the period.


‘Raider activities.’”  

I think the period should be outside the single–quotation marks.


Art… from colored sand….”

Second ellipsis should have only three dots.


Hmmm…. Maybe…

First ellipsis should have only three dots, and should be followed by a second space or "maybe" shouldn't be capitalized.


Goddess... urrrrghh!   My brain was not

Three spaces after the exclamation point.


Or told your friends.  Or that…. diminutive

Ellipsis should have only three dots.


Still, she was out, I was in...and I was bored.

Should have space after ellipsis.


‘Littlehorn Rock Club’  read the caption.

There should only be one space after the quotation.


I noticed at a young black unicorn mare, a teacher’s aid, it looked like, behind him and stared for the longest time.

I don't think that the first "at," after "noticed," should be there.


He’d been more than just Luna’s political advisor…. He was Princess Luna’s

Ellipsis should have only three dots, should be followed by two spaces.


In the front of one of the pictures were a unicorn mare in a frilly, fancy dress that was right up the Overmare’s mother’s alley standing beside a young colt wearing an explorer’s cap.

"was a unicorn mare"


a traveler can find as much difference between an Atori and a Eschatik zebra as a pegasus from a unicorn!

Should that be "as a pegasus and a unicorn"?


A pair of zebra males stared out with dark eyes from a shadow doorway, their faces branded with a swirling star and other ritualistic scars.

"shadowy"?


Damn thing didn’t even mention Goldenblood…. Oh, wait

Ellipsis should have only three dots and should be followed by two spaces or "Oh" shouldn't be capitalized.


(or alicorn, if the Goddess succeeded in her plans for unity after all)

Should "unity" be capitalized?


She sighed.  I stared at her, thinking about Doc Oct’s warnings and about what had happened to Scotch.  Would ripping holes in her own memory cause reactions and mistakes?  Cause her brain to scramble or drive her crazy?  She noticed my look and bowed her head. “The only way to do this... the only way for me to be sure... is if I know there’s nothing in there for her to pick out.”
   I looked at her for the longest time.  I couldn’t imagine her going through what she had, facing what she did.  Actually sabotaging her own brain to thwart a mind-reader?  All I did was shoot, get shot at, and have mysteries thrown in my face.  I’d never have it as hard as LittlePip did.  “LittlePip...” I began, but she shook her head, cutting me off.
“As is, I’m probably going to have to drop a few more memories before I’m sure everything’s set,” she said with a little sigh and roll of her eyes, as if it wasn’t a big deal at all, and the look on her face said that she didn’t want me to treat it as if it was.  Wow... she might actually have been able to give the Stable Dweller a run for her money.
“So,” I asked, “you don’t remember anything about our adventure?”

Any reason why that's highlighted?


“Mmmm… nope!  Fraid not.

Should there be an apostrophe at the beginning of "fraid"?


The reigniting bird thing screeched, and the olive mare dove underneath the buffet table as the animal

Again, not sure about calling Scotch a mare.


Thirty three… Oh!

Should have second space after ellipsis or not capitalize "oh."


of my hooves at her approach. I might like teasing Glory,

Only one space after the period.


“Four days ago, right after the Celestia.

"Celestia" should be italicized.


Just a few days back. She was inches from

Only one space after the period.


Xenith looked at little unicorn and one-winged pegasus and observed curiously,

Should there be a "the" before "little"?


We cannot... We do not know

Should have second space after ellipsis, or not capitalize second "we."


“And ghouls!”  piped up Scotch Tape with the phoenix

Should have only one space after quotation.


“You did it. I was just backing you up,”

Should have second space after period.


and I felt a warm and fuzzy feeling in my…. magical blood pump thing

Ellipsis should have only three dots.


little tab on the side of my mouth. “Also,

Only one space after the period.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by O. Hinds on Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:15 pm

Icy Shake wrote:SilentCarto: Good points on Steelpony. I'll need to keep those in mind, especially regarding the relation with PipBucks. (But man, it just reminds me of the question of how do PipBucks, particularly where S.A.T.S. is concerned, and even more so with melee attacks and non-integrated weaponry used by non-unicorns, even work? (Magic? Magic.)
As for the gems, it's true that they don't contain souls, at least not like pony souls. Life essence/force works well. I still think it's interesting to speculate on the relation to Rarity's talent, of course.

RoboRed wrote:EDIT: Herp-derp. I don't believe the mobile version of the site has that. I always use the regular version of the site on my phone to make posts.
Same here, but I don't post from mobile because that just seems awful for anything longer than a line. Perhaps with a tablet, and ideally an attached keyboard . . .
But I really detest websites that force you to the mobile version when you're on a mobile device.

Anyway, moving on through chapter thirty five, which set the stage for a surprising number of plot lines, considering such a large portion of it was Blackjack alone in a library or at a personal gathering. Also, it was a rare chapter with no dreams, visions, mind-dives, or memory orbs.

Chapter thirty five running thoughts:
Well, not too much happened in this chapter—it was pretty low-key, in a way a softer, nicer version of the latter half of chapter thirty four—but it had some important character moments and did heavy heavy groundwork, laying the foundations for future plot threads.

Starting with the latter: we see more of the mystery of the Enervation rings, including that they are all around Equestria and applying electricity to one (a fresh one) is not enough, on its own, to cause an Enervation spike.
We have the first hints of the Harbingers, with the evangelists sent out to entice people to go there for easy salvage, complete with "Hoofington Rises." Also, the shred-your-innards-and-blow-you-up spell or device. (Gotta love the divergence in reactions between the Hoofingtonites and even Littlepip's group.) The other thing drawing Blackjack back to Hoofington was the failure of the MASEBS towers there. Blackjack commits to getting Chimaera, and soon, and relatedly raises the questions about the nature of taint, responding to Littlepip's assertion that it's just IMP by observing that that wouldn't explain why it's all over or why the Gardens included a spell to purge it before it ever existed. Lastly, there's the question of which ministry mare Blackjack is descended from, as well as the door test and getting the book from Twilight's office. The former isn't definitively answered for quite a while, but going in knowing it it's hard not to see all the signs (although, the Pinkie-related stuff should have been a stronger tip-off than it was for me). The book ties in to her need to restore her magic, and what becomes her ongoing effort to improve her magic beyond what it was before.

Homage gets to be depicted as someone who genuinely cares about Littlepip, and is deeply concerned for her safety but more so that she may fall to the dark side. Sadly, she gives no indication of knowing what she can do to help beyond just being there. The forceful assertion that Blackjack is a good pony doesn't come off as well as Glory's lighter, more pleading one; it's not an appeal from someone who really understands her.

We also get to see fragments of Goldenblood's past, including things from his mother documenting their travels in the zebra lands and talking a little about some of the zebra tribes, notably including that there were more "star touched" tribes than just the Starkatteri, with the Carmilala specifically named. There were also pictures of him from Luna's Academy, showing his friendship with Luna and suggesting an association with Psalm. We also hear that he was ordered executed for his role in the Gardens, but that the bombs fell the next day. Also, I think this is when we first learn that he lived near Black Pony Mountain (funnily, I forgot about that until I went back to find the name of his mother).

But the biggest character moments to me were both related to bad guys, and the ties to members of the Blackjack crew.

First there's the Goddess, and her feeling of alienation from everyone else, in particular that nobody outside of Unity is even capable of respecting her or understanding her or appreciating her, only fearing her. Granted, given that her long term plan would kill everyone who doesn't join Unity, thus necessarily including all the non-ponies, that's hardly unfair. The irony, of course, is that not only would she be in many ways stronger by not dumping all her self-doubt and angst into Lacunae, but it's because of that that she faces the hate and distrust she does. But having excised so much of her empathy, she can't even see that anymore. And, of course, Lacunae has some fun pretending to be the Goddess, but offers some things from her own perspective causing Blackjack to catch on and as about it, leading to a line echoing Blackjack's parting shot to Caprice:
Blackjack: “This isn’t the Goddess I’m talking to, is it?”
Lacunae: “No.  It’s not.  But wouldn’t it be wonderful if it were?”
Granted, none of that is really new. What is, though, is something she says during a conversation with Littlepip, asking if she had a plan to stop the Goddess (it's ambiguous whether it was meant in the narrow sense of stopping the Goddess from forcing Littlepip to join Unity, or more general; it's likely the former, but could extend beyond); Littlepip says she does, and Lacunae thinks that good. Of course, she's been in ways frustrated with or at the least implicitly disapproving of the Goddess before, but I think that this may be the first time she actively wishes the undermining of her.

Then there's Blackjack's understanding of Deus, after sex with Glory, realizing that it was one of the first things that really made her feel alive, feel like a pony, since becoming a cyborg. And I don't think it's coincidence that earlier in the chapter she listed him (along with Sanguine and Goldenblood) as ponies that just deserved to be hated. This is a key moment, along with how it's already showing through that she's not really dealing with her rape (at the moment, it's a sort of generalized cloud over everything, but not yet manifesting as flashes of fear around males), leading to the fear male contact/Stygius/Glory thread, in that it establishes one of the reasons why it matters so much that she not be paralyzed by fear and flashbacks whenever a male gets close to her (not that it's not important anyway, but this is something highly specific to her own situation).

Lastly, both Scotch and Pyrelight playing together and Glory's/Littlepip's sexual hangups were funny and cute, but I have to give the edge to Scotch and Pyrelight because the latter was played to death in FoE.
Chapter thirty five overall thoughts:
“Glory told me to come in and ask you about hangovers!  She said you probably had a doozy of one, so I should talk really loudly!”

Sadism or teaching her a lesson? Or both?


“So, Blackjack, are you hungover?  Do you need me to talk louder?  Hey, Blackjack!  Can you hear me now?  Blackjack!”

Shades of Navi?


I could kill them.  I could kill them all.  No court in the Wasteland would convict me…

What courts? And think of all the other people you've killed that no court will convict you of.


I needed food… power… metal… Med-X or something to make my head stop feeling so... ugh… and somepony who could fill me in on what exactly had happened last night… morning… conscious time!

Because taking morphine for a hangover seems like a great idea!


“I think she’s had enough Wild P for one lifetime,” Glory said with a somewhat stern smile that told me I was in a bit of trouble.

Lies! There'll be time enough for sobriety later.

“Did you really drink all six bottles in four hours?  I’m pretty sure that would have killed anypony else,” the odd buck said.

Well, in fairness, she only drank five of them, having given one to Calamity. Still, even with Littlepip having a bit, that ends up being a scant few ounces short of a gallon of base liquor.

The fact that she’s capable of interfacing with that program tells me that there’s more to Blackjack than meets the eye.

And with how many transformations she's undergone . . .


Many of [Life Bloom's] order[, the Twilight Society,] believe this building to be the last remaining bastion of old Equestria.

Because they aparrently don't get out much and aren't aware of either the Steel Rangers or the Enclave. Or they're just self-important jackasses.


And on the other end of the spectrum… there are those saying that, if she is… then she is the legitimate head of the Twilight Society.

And another stupid opinion. Was the M.A.S. set up as an organization ruled by inherited right? Hardly—it was a branch of the civil service! Maybe the Society was, but it was created after her death and she was never a part of it.


I wasn’t Twilight’s descendant!  I couldn’t be.  I was nopony.  A screwup!  If I were related to Twilight, then… then I’d be responsible for fixing the entire Wasteland!  I’d have to use EC-1101 to do… something!  I couldn’t even fix Hoofington yet.

Wow, everyone seems to be in a really dynastic mindset today. At least for Blackjack, though, that's been ingrained in her for her whole life, with all responsibilities in her whole world until a few weeks prior passed matrilinearly. And, of course, more of her freaking out over the prospect of really being responsible for things. Granted, it seems implicit within this that she's taken up Hoofington as her personal responsibility of her own accord, it seems to an even greater extent than before, extending past fixing the fallout of her own mistakes, the war between the Reapers and Rangers in particular.


“Are you sure you don’t want to eat something first?” Glory asked as she looked up at me in worry.  “You look even paler than a white pony should.”  I shook my head firmly.  With the way my guts churned, I was certain that I was going to puke if I actually had something in my… wait… those were guts, right?

Should have remembered the recipe for Caprice's hangover shot and asked for some of those.


“I know you told me I did good things, but it all feels like a lie.  It feels wrong… like I’m winning some sort of prize I didn’t earn.”

And it's not a good feeling at all.


“Please… please please please let it be somepony else,” I prayed aloud as I walked to the doors.  I closed my eyes, suddenly glad I couldn’t hyperventilate.

I don't recall the exact way it was opened later, but for all the different explanations of how the door worked, I don't recall anyone suggesting it didn't open simply because she didn't want it to.


I couldn’t imagine anypony being physically able to read all these books in one lifetime.  Maybe P-21 or Glory.  Me, I doubt I’d read more than ten books in my entire life.

That may be true, but who's to say the place doesn't have a periodicals section? You've read a fair number of them.


“It’s not lying, Homage.  It’s being honest,” . . . “Lying would be saying I’m awesome and ignoring the fact that I’ve gotten ponies killed.  That I’ve murdered… so many… who didn’t deserve it.  If there were a guidebook for messing up, I’d be the author.  And no matter how much I try to tell myself I’ve paid the price and I’m even, the honest truth is that I’ll always be a murderer.  The second I forget that or it doesn’t matter… that’s when I’ll be a monster.”

Great speech right there, and an important rebuttal to the assertion that there's a simple truth to everything, especially regarding perceptions and people. For all that, though, I still have trouble not thinking "THE ELEMENT OF HONESTY!" [/deep announcer voice] with pretty high regularity when Homage does and says stuff.


I think that the reason you’re so glad Twilight’s not a part of you is that it would disrupt this perfect little horrible picture you have of yourself.

And that's where Homage is, I think, wrong, not knowing about (well, picking up on) Blackjack's severe inferiority complex; it could potentially/did inspire her to do better over time, but forcing the comparison would immediately only raise the bar she compared herself to, when she already felt she didn't measure up.


“Someday, you will know the truth.  Someday, you’ll know what it’s like to live without hating yourself.”

Specifically—or at least one of the major milestones being—the end of chapter sixty two part one.


Some ponies deserved to be hated.  Like Goldenblood.  Like Sanguine.  Like Deus.

[/irony] Now, this makes me think of Ender Wiggin, particularly in Speaker for the Dead, in that so often the hate is blunted once you come to understand them, which is of course the core of his philosophy. Granted, it didn't work as much for Sanguine, and remains to be seen with Goldenblood.


Hm. Littlepip/Homage fallout from the kiss, with Glory. I think I can wrap my head around it this time.


Luna… I suddenly realized that I knew almost nothing about what Luna actually did to run the country.  The ministries took care of the war effort.  The O.I.A. took care of all the dirty business.  So what was Luna doing the whole time?  I knew more about Goldenblood than I did the monarch of the country!

I was surprised to find that Eclipse doesn't seem to be introduced for another fourteen chapters after this, since it seems almost like a lead-in to that.


“Okay.  I get the message.  Stop freaking out, cut out the self hating, and start doing better.  I get it.”
“About time,” the Dealer rasped, and I spun, tripped, and fell on my back looking up at the old pony.  His milky eyes stared down at me as he worked his cards.
“I thought they’d cut you out of my brain!” I shouted as I thrust my hoof at him.
“Oh, I reckon there’s more than enough left you’re not using for me to hide in,” he said dryly with a smile.

Wow, way to let the chance to snark undermine what you were just saying, Dealer.


“This isn’t a bad place, Blackjack.  You could make a life for yourself here.  You and your friends, away from the Hoof.”

Now that we know what the Dealer is, this kind of takes on a new meaning for me, though of course he probably figures there's no way he can return to Luna to be freed in any case.


“If you want to make caps, get to Hoofington,” she said with the faint slur of somepony who’d had one drink more than they should.  “A quick in and out and you’ll solve all your monetary problems.”

At first, I was thinking this weird considering Blackjack's time, but then, she raised over 10,000 caps in a couple of weeks.


“Hurts…” she whimpered as she rolled off the table and suddenly screamed.  She rolled in agony, and her mouth puked a bloody foam.

I wonder how exactly they got it in her, considering it sounds like she just took stuff from them and left.


The inside of that prospector hadn’t just been blown apart but shredded from the inside.  Apparently, that wasn’t common in Tenpony…
Damn, was I really this jaded?  

Ahem, Ms. Bison. From last night:
“This is one of the crazier things I think I’ve ever done,” [Littlepip] yelled over the shrieks as we rolled along.
I took a long pull off one of the bottles of whiskey, watching the text in my E.F.S. warning me of the drug toxicity that my system was trying to purge.  “Really?  I thought it was Tuesday.”


There, sitting quietly in its unsmashed case, was a silver ring about the size of my hoof.  Just like in the back room of Silverstar Sporting Supplies and just like the ring that had been tossed at Lacunae during the battle.  The Enervation rings weren’t just in Hoofington.  Suddenly, I had the feeling they were in a whole lot more places than just Hoofington.

Of course, that leads to, why isn't the Enervation noticed elsewhere, even as isolated pockets? True, they don't normally do much, but all it seemed to take was an electricity source to make their presence obvious.

Life Bloom rummaged in Helpinghoof’s cupboards, came back with a battery and two wires, and carefully attached them to the ring.  Again… nothing.

Or, not quite. Ah, that's right, it only happens after something dies nearby.


Blackjack was now half synthetic.  Blackjack had spent three days braindead.  Blackjack was attacking strange mares who exploded!  These were not signs that Blackjack was okay.

In fairness, that last one happens a lot, just with a more direct, obvious causal link between the two.


The idea of being stuck here was starting to creep up on me.  I hated waiting.  I needed to do.  To act.  To get things done.  Otherwise, I was going to start thinking.

It kind of began in thirty four, but here's where it really becomes clear, I think, and continues (if interrupted whenever she is doing things) until "Reaper"/"Lucidity."


The discovery of a silver ring here in Tenpony had panicked me, but now there wasn’t much I could do.  Why it wasn’t causing the eye-bleeding mind screams was beyond me.

It's actually kind of funny that the in-universe reason basically amounts to "because it just isn't as shitty here as it is in Hoofington."


Rubies were spicy, emeralds tasted like spearmint, sapphires like peppermint, amethysts were fruity, citrines tangy… aside from your local dragon, who knew?  Oh… and rocks tasted like mud.

Of course she would try rocks. Of course, she'd probably know what mud tasted like even without her unique dietary choices.


Maybe I could find another silver bullet and pay the Goddess a visit... but... what would that do to Lacunae?  And did I still even have Folly?  Probably not.  And should I use it if I did?  But if nopony stopped the Goddess... urrrrghh!

What is this madness, actually thinking about the side effects of blowing up the Goddess, and caring about them? That's not how you get things done!


The rest of the Wasteland is filled with cowardly, craven, cruel ponies who fear our potential or slavishly worship us for our power.  They do not respect us.  They cannot!  And you ask why we cannot coexist with them when they are unable to accept us!

Well, fearing your potential seems like a pretty rational thing to do when your program includes the genocide of anyone who doesn't join up with you. And considering your position of relative power, it would behoove you to make the initial overtures, and renounce the plan to eliminate everyone else first. As for the don't and cannot respect you, well, that seems like a shadow of Trixie's resentment and lack of self-esteem.


“This isn’t the Goddess I’m talking to, is it?” I said softly, looking up at her with a little smile.
She looked wistful as she turned away.  “No.  It’s not.  But wouldn’t it be wonderful if it were?”

A great end to probably the best conversation in the chapter so far.


And heck, I hadn’t come across many decent orbs to spend time in.

Wow, that's not a sour grapes attitute at all.


I hit my head on the leg of the reading desk and hissed, rubbing my skull.  Why hadn’t they thought to armor that, huh?

Well . . . you'll get it later? And wish you handn't, too.


Anyway, if he wanted to kick my tail, he’d have to come down here and get it.  No way I’d ever be heading to Thunderhead any time soon.

Just another of the seemingly sound predictions she makes that gets smashed to smithereens by her unsound life.


Moving around, I spotted Scotch Tape seated next to a giant green flaming bird.  Given that nopony in the room was alarmed at this, I assumed it was some sort of pet.  It seemed the two were locked in a staring contest of sorts, only from the expression on Scotch’s face she clearly expected to be eaten if she lost.

Is it bad that Pyrelight is actually one of my favorite characters from Littlepip's group?


“What do you say, Glory?  I’ve got an itch in my nethers, a non-stick hoof, and these things!” I said, popping out my fingers and wiggling them.
Glory and LittlePip stared at us, perfect copies of one another, jaws dropped and cheeks flaming.

Never forgot that little scene.


“You were getting that whole ‘kicking yourself for having fun’ look going,” she replied with a smile.  “You can’t run off this very second and you aren’t a bad pony for enjoying yourself.  Just letting you know.”

Hm . . . that's exactly how Glory starts handling it later on. I think that at some point there's even a sentence or two that's nearly identical in structure, tone, and content.


I’m afraid that something will happen… something like… like what you had to do in Stable 99.  She’ll have to make a choice… or she’ll go too far… or something.

Well, there'll be Maripony, but then she never really seemed to affected by that (which may be the kind of thing she's talking about, actually, though hopefully she at least thought about the consequences before having the memories extracted), and there'll be Arbu, which will be stupid.


“It helps if you think of her as a foal dropped on her head… repeatedly.”
“Don’t forget the lead paint!” I called after them, getting a look from LittlePip.  “What?  That stuff’s good.”

First of all, it's important to bear in mind she's probably serious; she has in narration said she's eaten wallpaper paste, for instance. However, it looks like since then she hasn't eaten lead paint, and that's a little disappointing, especially since it presumably wouldn't even be bad for her anymore. Or at least probably quite a bit less harmful than glass.


“WE WILL SAVE WHAT WE CAN, HOW BEST WE CAN.  WE SHALL THRIVE IN THIS WORLD.  REMEMBER OUR ACCORD, AND THEN YOU WILL LEARN THE PEACE THAT COMES THOUGH UNITY!”

Sadly, since the summer I've had trouble not imagining the Goddess's voice as Michael Shannon's General Zod from Man of Steel.
And lines like this don't help with that.

LittlePip drew Little Macintosh, but I shook my head hard.

Especially with, you know, the rubber bullets.


“She hoped to convince you.  To truly convince you.  She did not expect… that…” she said as she slumped against the wall.  “Now she’s feeling shame… and doubt… and questioning herself.”
“She is?” Velvet asked in astonishment.  “Then maybe…” but Lacunae sniffed softly and shook her head.

. . . You . . . haven't been paying attention, have you, Velvet?


“But Glory… what we did together… it was the first thing I’ve really done that made me feel like… like a pony.  Like I was more than a machine.  And making you feel good… making you happy… it made me feel like I’m more than just a source of misery and pain for you.  I know that [Deus] was a monster for what he did… but given how he felt… I know how important it was to him.”

Probably the second big character moment of the chapter, after all the great Goddess/Lacunae stuff. But I think it also matters that this realization is continued development of an understanding beginning from when she was in his orb and knew his constant physical agony, and his penis as the only part of his body not feeling that way. What's more, it sets up why it's so important to her, and by extension why it will later matter so much that she can't stand to be touched by (most? I forget if she had that reaction to, say, P-21) males, setting up for l'affaire Stygius.
Chapter thirty five editing matters:
I’m fairly that certain all of that went right over the olive mare’s head, though, as she screeched,

"I'm fairly certain that all" or "I'm fairly certain all," and I'm not sure that "mare" is really right for Scotch at this point; it should probably be "filly" again.


making my stomach-thing lurch and my bladder (Did I still have that?) clench.

Should "did" be capitalized?


Did they crown you? Why were

Only one space after question mark.


Sitting on the opposite couch were Homage and a strange buck with a candy-cane-striped mane.

Minor thing and requires a bit more complex formatting, but the ideal here is "candy <space> cane <en-dash> striped."


She was the element of magic!

Should "element of magic" be capitalized? This hasn't come up much, but generosity and loyalty have each come up once, and both were capitalized.


Surprise, surprise... There were even more bookshelves in here,

Should have second space after ellipsis or not capitalize "there."


(I probably should have asked which book Life Bloom wanted, but...eh, I could do that later)

Should have space after ellipsis.


Rainbow Dash.  Rarity. Fluttershy.

Only one space following the period after "Rarity."


I’ve known ponies whose fuckups killed millions. “Trying doesn’t mean

Only one space after the period.


I’m Blackjack, and no matter how lacking I may be, I was supposed to do magic.

I think "may" should be "might," to be in the past rather than present tense.


but once you’ve found a spot, you’ll…” The prospector mare suddenly

Should have second space after the quotation.


“So, by Scrapyard?”  I asked with a grin as I jumped

Should have only one space after the quotation.


“Now get the fuck out of my-“

Second hyphen for dash.


‘Them.’  Conspiracies.  Killings.

I think that the period after "them" should be outside the quotation marks.


what remained into broken steel.   I wanted to be out of breath,

Three spaces after the period.


Darn things are all over the Wasteland. Even get into stables,

Only one space after the period.


Rampage drawled.   The talk of radroaches was distracting

Three spaces after the period.


‘Raider activities.’”  

I think the period should be outside the single–quotation marks.


Art… from colored sand….”

Second ellipsis should have only three dots.


Hmmm…. Maybe…

First ellipsis should have only three dots, and should be followed by a second space or "maybe" shouldn't be capitalized.


Goddess... urrrrghh!   My brain was not

Three spaces after the exclamation point.


Or told your friends.  Or that…. diminutive

Ellipsis should have only three dots.


Still, she was out, I was in...and I was bored.

Should have space after ellipsis.


‘Littlehorn Rock Club’  read the caption.

There should only be one space after the quotation.


I noticed at a young black unicorn mare, a teacher’s aid, it looked like, behind him and stared for the longest time.

I don't think that the first "at," after "noticed," should be there.


He’d been more than just Luna’s political advisor…. He was Princess Luna’s

Ellipsis should have only three dots, should be followed by two spaces.


In the front of one of the pictures were a unicorn mare in a frilly, fancy dress that was right up the Overmare’s mother’s alley standing beside a young colt wearing an explorer’s cap.

"was a unicorn mare"


a traveler can find as much difference between an Atori and a Eschatik zebra as a pegasus from a unicorn!

Should that be "as a pegasus and a unicorn"?


A pair of zebra males stared out with dark eyes from a shadow doorway, their faces branded with a swirling star and other ritualistic scars.

"shadowy"?


Damn thing didn’t even mention Goldenblood…. Oh, wait

Ellipsis should have only three dots and should be followed by two spaces or "Oh" shouldn't be capitalized.


(or alicorn, if the Goddess succeeded in her plans for unity after all)

Should "unity" be capitalized?


She sighed.  I stared at her, thinking about Doc Oct’s warnings and about what had happened to Scotch.  Would ripping holes in her own memory cause reactions and mistakes?  Cause her brain to scramble or drive her crazy?  She noticed my look and bowed her head. “The only way to do this... the only way for me to be sure... is if I know there’s nothing in there for her to pick out.”
   I looked at her for the longest time.  I couldn’t imagine her going through what she had, facing what she did.  Actually sabotaging her own brain to thwart a mind-reader?  All I did was shoot, get shot at, and have mysteries thrown in my face.  I’d never have it as hard as LittlePip did.  “LittlePip...” I began, but she shook her head, cutting me off.
“As is, I’m probably going to have to drop a few more memories before I’m sure everything’s set,” she said with a little sigh and roll of her eyes, as if it wasn’t a big deal at all, and the look on her face said that she didn’t want me to treat it as if it was.  Wow... she might actually have been able to give the Stable Dweller a run for her money.
“So,” I asked, “you don’t remember anything about our adventure?”

Any reason why that's highlighted?


“Mmmm… nope!  Fraid not.

Should there be an apostrophe at the beginning of "fraid"?


The reigniting bird thing screeched, and the olive mare dove underneath the buffet table as the animal

Again, not sure about calling Scotch a mare.


Thirty three… Oh!

Should have second space after ellipsis or not capitalize "oh."


of my hooves at her approach. I might like teasing Glory,

Only one space after the period.


“Four days ago, right after the Celestia.

"Celestia" should be italicized.


Just a few days back. She was inches from

Only one space after the period.


Xenith looked at little unicorn and one-winged pegasus and observed curiously,

Should there be a "the" before "little"?


We cannot... We do not know

Should have second space after ellipsis, or not capitalize second "we."


“And ghouls!”  piped up Scotch Tape with the phoenix

Should have only one space after quotation.


“You did it. I was just backing you up,”

Should have second space after period.


and I felt a warm and fuzzy feeling in my…. magical blood pump thing

Ellipsis should have only three dots.


little tab on the side of my mouth. “Also,

Only one space after the period.
Ah, thank you very much as always.

Icy Shake wrote:She sighed. I stared at her, thinking about Doc Oct’s warnings and about what had happened to Scotch. Would ripping holes in her own memory cause reactions and mistakes? Cause her brain to scramble or drive her crazy? She noticed my look and bowed her head. “The only way to do this... the only way for me to be sure... is if I know there’s nothing in there for her to pick out.”
I looked at her for the longest time. I couldn’t imagine her going through what she had, facing what she did. Actually sabotaging her own brain to thwart a mind-reader? All I did was shoot, get shot at, and have mysteries thrown in my face. I’d never have it as hard as LittlePip did. “LittlePip...” I began, but she shook her head, cutting me off.
“As is, I’m probably going to have to drop a few more memories before I’m sure everything’s set,” she said with a little sigh and roll of her eyes, as if it wasn’t a big deal at all, and the look on her face said that she didn’t want me to treat it as if it was. Wow... she might actually have been able to give the Stable Dweller a run for her money.
“So,” I asked, “you don’t remember anything about our adventure?”

Any reason why that's highlighted?
…Sorry, what? Please explain what you mean.
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Post by Icy Shake on Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:26 pm

Maybe it's just showing up this way for me, but here's what it looks like (the darker highlighting of "I stared at her, thinking about Doc Oct's" is from the search; the rest is just there) on my screen:
Spoiler:
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:15 am

Icy Shake wrote:Maybe it's just showing up this way for me, but here's what it looks like (the darker highlighting of "I stared at her, thinking about Doc Oct's" is from the search; the rest is just there) on my screen:
Spoiler:
...Huh. Yeah... that isn't showing up for me. Odd. I've tried retyping that part of the sentence, though, since I'm not seeing the problem and don't know what might be causing it, I've no idea if that'll work.
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Post by Vergil on Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:33 am

In ch.22, the lines, "More ponies were coming. Friends. Acquaintances. Rivals." are repeated immediately after their original occurence, I assume unintentionally.
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:29 am

Vergil wrote:In ch.22, the lines, "More ponies were coming. Friends. Acquaintances.  Rivals." are repeated immediately after their original occurence,  I assume unintentionally.
Ah, thank you. How on Equus did we all miss that one?
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Post by Moodyman90 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:31 am

I keep telling you, it's Discord messing with ya'll.
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Post by SilentCarto on Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:10 am

Icy Shake wrote:SilentCarto: Good points on Steelpony. I'll need to keep those in mind, especially regarding the relation with PipBucks. (But man, it just reminds me of the question of how do PipBucks, particularly where S.A.T.S. is concerned, and even more so with melee attacks and non-integrated weaponry used by non-unicorns, even work? (Magic? Magic.)
You might want to start with, "How do PipBoys and VATS even work?" before you think about heading into "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" territory. At this point, I'm going to invoke both Bellisario's Maxim (Do not examine this too closely) and the MST3K Mantra (Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax.")

On that note, Bellisario's Maxim would be a great name for a unique LMG rechambered for the .308 Winchester cartridge.

Whinnychester. Whatever.

Icy Shake wrote:As for the gems, it's true that they don't contain souls, at least not like pony souls. Life essence/force works well. I still think it's interesting to speculate on the relation to Rarity's talent, of course.
Certainly, I don't mean to shut you down or anything. Just noting that animals aren't supposed to have souls, and if the gems were soul jars, it should be impossible to harm them outside of, say, a starmetal sword. It would be interesting if that's what Rarity's talent drew her toward gemstones for that reason, but I'm not sure what that would then imply. After all, she was seduced by the power offered by the Black Book, which doesn't require you to have an applicable talent at all.

...anyway, Snips was the one doing the cutting. Unless the scene with Rarity and Fluttershy at the comatose stallion's bedside suggested otherwise?

Power Ponies:
So, the show is far beyond the event horizon of continuity for FOE, right? But the Power Ponies episode could still contribute a couple of things to our favorite grim future.

First, if Power Ponies is an established comic book, it should have existed before the events of the 1000th Summer Sun Celebration. I'm not really sure what to do with that, but it wouldn't burst any bubbles if it came up.

More interestingly, Enchanted Comics was presumably in operation prior to that, too. So I'm thinking the owner of that shop could have survived the apocalypse by reading himself into one of his own comics and then refusing to complete the plot. Maybe a lucite-encased copy of Sword Mares #1, where he could run off and set himself up as king of a remote village for a couple of centuries...
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Post by Overlong Analysis Cobalt on Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:21 am

@Silent
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Imagine how nutso he'd be by the end, if he got taken out. =P I guess you'd have to work out some sort of basic rules for how those work, like "no aging in the comic zone" and "if you die in the comic it restarts" or whatever. Could be a fun little thing.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by FeatherDust on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:03 pm

SilentCarto wrote:
On that note, Bellisario's Maxim would be a great name for a unique LMG rechambered for the .308 Winchester cartridge.

Whinnychester. Whatever.
And the barrel has an arrow toward the shooting end with the label "Do not examine this too closely".

SilentCarto wrote:
Power Ponies:
More interestingly, Enchanted Comics was presumably in operation prior to that, too. So I'm thinking the owner of that shop could have survived the apocalypse by reading himself into one of his own comics and then refusing to complete the plot. Maybe a lucite-encased copy of Sword Mares #1, where he could run off and set himself up as king of a remote village for a couple of centuries...
Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:@Silent
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Imagine how nutso he'd be by the end, if he got taken out. =P I guess you'd have to work out some sort of basic rules for how those work, like "no aging in the comic zone" and "if you die in the comic it restarts" or whatever. Could be a fun little thing.
Power Ponies:

But what if you DO age inside the comic?

Suppose it's like a pocket dimension, populated with illusion ponies. He brought in a few dozen ponies who all got themselves set up as noble houses, with strict marriage rules (because you can't breed with illusions), and so now it's ten generations later and the kids are not aware that their world is a fake, except for maybe one or two who pass down the big secret and work behind the scenes to ensure that the quest never gets finished.

And then some young idiots figure out that their uncle is "in league with" the villain and finish the story despite him, and suddenly fifty-odd ponies get dumped into the wasteland with no knowledge of it but great skill with armor and medieval weaponry...
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Post by Moodyman90 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:38 pm

I may be misinterpreting the question, but Pipbucks probably have a better explanation than Pipboys when it comes to VATS and all. In the very least Pipbucks run on a Spell matrix which makes more sense to me since using it causes the Pipbuck to cast a short term speed spell on the user. I say speed because I imagine it doesn't require as much energy to speed up the pony using it to the point everything appears in slow motion than actually slowing everything in the world, or localized area, down.

Meanwhile Pipboys are "It's computers that let you shoot really good and only appears to be in slow motion cause... computers are fast" Despite the fact they're only strapped onto a person, not wired in in some way and probably requires a button push to activate and boot up.

So yeah, I'm more willing to accept the magic version than the tech version in this instant. Though they honestly balance each other out. Pipboys probably could quickly calculate your chances of hitting something into percentages, while the only thing I have for Pipbucks is that the spell pretty much just allows the user the ability to aim without too much worry , like the difference between shooting at a gun range compared to combat, and when the spell drops, it's not completely instant so everything is still moving slightly faster than normal.
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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:33 pm

Moodyman90 wrote:*Snip*

Well it's inconsistent (Though given the person that gives you your pipboy in new vegas is a doctor it may explain why he was able to remove his.) in fallout 3's opening it's explicitly stated the pipboy is not simply strapped on. It mentions a biometric seal (And this part is dependent on my memory.) the dificulty involved with removing them from the dead.

Edit: To add to that. If you're willing to accept the fact the pipboy is able to read your vitals why does VATS need to be activated by a buton push? Why can't it detect stress factors? blood pressure, heart rate, etc. recognize you're in a flight or fight situation and automatically put you in?

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Post by Vergil on Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:28 pm

Knowing a lot about the dealer makes his early story dialogue considerably more entertaining.
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Post by Kippershy on Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:14 pm

Somber wrote:What if Luna lost her wings in a terrorist attack?  Or her horn?
Why? Why is this even a question? Why is this something you think up? I'm not going to call you names, but I want to understand, why do you think of these things? What draws your mind to it and what makes all this mutilation so fascinating to you, Somber?
You start with mutilating Blackjack all the time, which is okay and all, but then it gets to the point where she becomes rape Jesus and such and it's a little weird in retrospect.
You tear off one of Glory's wings not all too long before that particular act.
Then you fuck around and say that Littlepip should've been raped over on the TVtropes forums, claiming it would've done her character good (somehow)...

...And now, well, I won't say you're planning on adding this to the story and I'm not trying to imply that, but you're thinking about the very act.
You hate Luna, don't you? You always treat Luna like shit, but this? ...This is worrying. What is it that draws you to (the thoughts of) such acts all the time?

In before:
>you refuse to even acknowledge me
>someone takes offense on your behalf
>you take offense at me asking
>you message me with yet more reveals to try answer me

...Well, no. Scratch that last one. I don't think you'd repeat that little maneuver.


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Post by Derpmind on Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:15 pm

Last wrote:Edit: To add to that. If you're willing to accept the fact the pipboy is able to read your vitals why does VATS need to be activated by a buton push? Why can't it detect stress factors? blood pressure, heart rate, etc. recognize you're in a flight or fight situation and automatically put you in?

What other situations besides combat would trigger high blood presure, heart rate, etc? *Insert emote face of choice here*

Seriously though, VATS only has so much charge before you have to return to realtime combat while it recharges. You want to make the conscious choice when to activate it during combat. If VATS helped dodge bullets or similar then it would make sense to automatically activate, but VATS isn't designed to be defensive; it's offensive. It makes mister scary go away.

Vergil wrote:Knowing a lot about the dealer makes his early story dialogue considerably more entertaining.

Wait a second. Too often older parts of PH get better after re-reading it. Too much better. What if Somber is a time-t̕r̶a̴v͜e̴le͘r?̷ What if this isn't the͟ fir̕st ͘ti͏m̛e̕ he's re-written the story for͏̀ ̶th̸̶e̸͜ ̧̢͠f͞i͢r͡st ̷̀t̴̕i͟m̸͞e͢?͏҉̀ What if Somber wasn't that good of a writer o̲͇͍̥͈͍͠r̭̩̞̬igi͉̞͎o͎̭͠n̷͓͇͖a͕̰͕̫̫l̴͎͈͈̗͍l̥͔̱y̯̫̯̟̟̬̟ but he's been r̠̟̟͚̯͘e̡̧̨̟̯̩̺̠̦̣-̧̻̘̬͕m̶̳͉̲͓̥̱̱̪͘a̢҉͓k̶͙̹̺̹̱̪i̧̭̤͕͢͡n̡̘̻̘̫̯̫͉̩͇͟g̨͔̤̲͖̩̙̥͇ P̵r͜oj́e͝c͡t͠ ̡H͜or̕i̴z̶o̶ns͞ so often he's made it better a͠nd́ b͜e̕t́ter a͟҉͏n̨̨d̛҉ ̛b̢̕e̛̛t͢t́̕ę̴r̴͟?̧ H̴o͠w̛ ̕l͏ong͝ h́as̵ ̨it́ ͢b̢een gói͞ng ̡for͠? ͝Wh̷e͟ņ ̛w̸il̸l ҉i҉t ̴e̵nd? T͡h̢̀̕e̶y͡ ̴͟͝w̸̴ę͟͞r͢e҉͠ ̶͞ŗ͘í̷̛g̨͝ht̀, ͏įt́͘ ̡͞h̸͞ą̷̕s̨̧̕ ͢t̵ǫ̴ ̕s̢͡͞t̢op͏.͘͞͡ I̶҉̷̵̴t̵͢ ̵̴̡̕h̡͟͡a̶̡҉ş̷̛͘͞ ̴҉̨͜͏t̷̴̀͡ò̧͘ ̡͜s̸͡͞͝t̴̶̡͝͡ò̕p̧̛̕͠.̸̛͟͢

T̶̵̢̪͕̯̻̠̠͎͙͓̟̠͖̬͙̅ͩͩͤ͒̈̚͡͝ͅH̨͈̙̼̤̰̭͙͚̯̘̤̣͚̟͂͑̓͐͌͋ͯͯ̍ͯ͛ͩͦͤͫ͗̌̚͘͝E̷̷̫̦̳̙̣͆ͬ̍̐̅ͭͭ̄͒̍̔̚͘͟͝ ̵̛̭͓̪̳̜̩̱̭̘̮̭͔̖̪̜͙̽ͤ͑̒͌͒͑̊͆͛ͤ́ͥͬ̌̅͛Ḧ́ͪ̎̿͆͐̔҉̪̳̯̩͇̻̝̭͝Ơ̵̗͔̗̮͓̗͚̰͔͚͓̬͚̩̠̐͛̌̔̑͗͐̀̌ͮͥ͗̏͗̔ͅR̠̟̳̥͂͂̎͐ͣ̒̉͗͌ͧ͂̍̈́̋͘Iͦ̇̃̆̇ͤ̐ͪ͘҉̭͙̠̞Z̼̜̬̲̠̬̬̲͓̭͎̣̳̺͙̣͑͑̀͗̈́͑̀͘͡ͅO̴̎̃̉͌ͣ̆̽́̃ͧ͂̍͒̃̔̂͛̒ͪ͏̩̝̩͔͇̥̫̹͎ͅͅN̶̢̦̰͎̤͇̘̮͙̞̟͓̖̫̐ͦ̀̐̈́͊͌̂̿͘ͅ ͤ́͛̎̽́͘͠҉̦̺̪̞̱̰͕̭͕̬͇̰͎H̵̼͍͖̹̩̠̦̦͎ͤͬ̿̀͠A̷̵̵͍̪̤̬̺͕̪͋͆̽ͮͨ́̊̍͊̓̐͋ͤ̓̎̈̚͠S̍͌̔͏̡̝̤̻͎͍̣̹̫̙͍̫̬̮̯̰͚̺̯̰ ̴̷̨̭̹͚̣̜̻̜̰͚͈̺͇̙̯͍͉̗͆̄̎̾͂ͧ͜ͅͅT͌̃ͧ̅̃ͬ͆̒̀҉͈̞̫̼̟͈̖͖̮͈̬̜̼͚Ǫ̸̨̛̘̬̮̬̫̖̟͉͇̜̳̫͔̦̼̉ͦ̍͒͐̏ͨ̂ͩ̈ͤ̄͂ͪ͋ͦͫͤ͝ ͩ͊͗̒̅ͬ̄̽̾̅̚̕҉͏̷̻͉̠͈͓̹̠͖̱̳̬͓͙̖͚̝̯̠͈S͐̊̌ͥ̒͐̏̈́͂̂̐̒̒̌̍̃͒̚̚͏͈̤̻͕͈̥͈͘ͅT̩̦̦̼̯̲̣ͯͧ̂̎̈́̔̋ͪ̈ͪ̐̄͐̊ͭ̿̒͘̕͘ͅO̢̱͖̯̹͖̤̫̝͈̱̺̺̘̹͓̖̬̰̠̍̌ͬ̿̀̋̊͋ͣ̇ͩͦ̓̈ͩ͌͞P̸̵̮̖͈̤̪̯͕͌͌̓ͩ̓ͣ̄̋͗̌̌ͣ̆ͯ͝͝ ͊͊ͮ͗̄̀̐͗͒҉̵̳̩̬͉͉̻̳̘͔͔̜̥̗̺̤͇͓͙I̷̾ͮ͆̐͒̑̈́ͨ͂ͦ̓͢҉̷̤̺͚̝̳̬̖͚̥̣̤̖͖̬́ͅŢ̵̜̫̝̮̥̤̻̜̦̥̫̭͖̔̋ͤ̓̉̈́̆'̧̧̪͇̹̟̺͒̎ͧ̿ͬ̎ͤ͂̾͗́̈ͬ̊̅̒͢͜S̛̰̺̖̣̩̙͔̗͓̮̓̏̄̔̾ͤ̒ͥ̀̔͐͒̎̂̋͂̕͜͞͞ ̷̧̣̦̣̤͕̯͓̖̗͙͚̥͓̋͊̾ͩͧ̆͌́́̀C̶͑ͯ̋ͫ͒͊ͯ҉͔͍̦̦̩͉͖̘̦̲͖̹͠Ő͚̘̣̣̰̫̣̼̟̞̇ͬ̓̃͟M̔ͣ͑̋̓̇ͭ̌̎ͯ̔̆͊͊̾̉͂̚͘͞҉̡̙̱͎̰̖̥̥̪̝̼̹̜I͌̐̒ͥ̽ͫ̔̂̊ͭͩͧ͗̚̚͏̷̱͎̰͉̳̪̺̞͔̖́͞͠N̵̂̋̓ͬͤ͗̉̒͂͂ͧ́́̕҉͎͎̗̙G͕̘̟̗̠ͥ́ͮ̌ͭ̐̀̏ͪ͂͢͡ ̵͍͓̯̦̺̠̲̩͈̻̈̑̈́͆͘ͅF̸̸̡̦̱̜̬̭ͬ̿͊̉ͬ͒̑ͣ̂ͩ͌ͣ͌́Ơ̡͕̭̲̹̙͙͉͚͂ͭͪ̓ͦ̓̀̈́ͭ̓́ͨ̅͐̓̍̚͞Ṙ̢̨̛̥̹͔̳̝͍̠͎͔͚̣̓̓̂ͩͫ̕ ͪ̾ͫͨ̃̄̆ͮ͑ͦͪͨ͂ͥ̉͏̴̵̛̪̫̲͚͚Ṵ̧̼̥̖̮̰͓͙̬͚̪̙̐̋̃ͤͨ̑̽̽̉̕͟͠͡Ṡ̡̟̻̦͉̰̫̫̭̑ͫ̏̽ͥ͑ͫͯͫ̔̌̀̎͋͋̽ͩ͟͠ ̸͇̺̫͎̱̗ͭ̓ͫͤͬͨͩỈ̶̴̑ͦ͌̋͊̂ͫ̅̄̽ͥ͗͞҉̙͚͚̠̺̦͈̬Ṱ̷̡̧̗̬̮͎͍̫̤̥̬̲͖̺͚͕̋̈́̆̏͛̏̾ͦ͡ͅ ̸͖̠͈̭̫͓͙͕̬̼͎͚͉̙̣̳͔̽ͤ͊͊͘͜͡Ḩ̢̡̢̬̫̠̫͉̖̬̮ͫ͂̍͗ͨͮ͂̽̆͛̌̅̚̚͜À͋̌̐ͣͨ͛͛ͪ̓ͮ̌͌̑̍͌̌̏̀͡҉͙̱͔͖̝̻̖̗̲͈͜͢Ŝ̂ͮ̌̎ͩ̓̔ͨ̉ͦͫ͏̶̴̭̤̬͙ ̧̝̯̟͕̯̱̙͉͓̟͇͎͇̩̺̣̏̌̉͊̅̈́̄͛̅ͭ͛̂̃̃̈̒ͦ͗͊̀͜T̷͔̦͈͇̣̩͙̯̦͍͎͎̺̙̑̽̾̈ͬ̿͋̒̋̂̾ͨ́̂̈̋́̚͘͝ͅȮ̴̢̰͓̦̤͓̠͙̻̘̫̋̍͌̑̽͌ͩͣ͊ͣ͆̓̉́̄̽͟ͅͅͅ ̶̐ͮͭͫ̒́͘̕҉̻̣̫̖̯̪̪̼̥̖̱̘S͉͉̖̮͇͓͈̜̞̖͚̬̻͙̖̭̰ͯ̎ͥ̓ͧ̆ͧ͛̓ͩ̔̐ͩ́̀͢T̢̛̙̳̞̼͎̝̬͇̗͓̻̲̬̣̙ͭ̂ͥͤͮ͒̐͛̽́̋ͥͥ̔ͧ̀̀̚Ỏ̶̢̻͉̜͉͉̦̞̻̳͙̳̭͖̼̩͔͈̈́͊͒͐ͦ͟ͅP̷̧̱̩̥̞̺̜ͥ͛͒̓ͫͭ͋̈́͐ͯ͑͑́͆ͤ̈́̚ ̛̎͌ͣ͊ͫ͊̋́̏̆̽̅̈̊҉̪̜̦̪͚̹̮̝̬̭̯̞͎͔͜P̴̤̬̣͉̘̭̣͙̱̫̪̩͔̦̝̟͍ͧ̿̌ͭ̊͐̾̈́ͬ̀ͮ̕͝ͅLͦ̆̑͒̑̆̑̈́ͬ̐̚҉̶̧̠͔̬̹̜̼̬̱͔͍̙̥͎̯̟̦̙̺̺́E̸͙̜̖͚͕̲̱ͭͧͣͬ̎̔ͨͭ̐̅ͫ̚͢A̵̛͍̥͖̹̞̒ͪ͊ͫͫ͗͛̉̂̑ͩ̽́̀͜ͅS̶̵̶̥͚̹͉̄ͫ́͞͝Ĕ̷̶̪͕̦̮̳̯̱͍̘̫̱͛͛͗͛̍ͦ̌̅͛́̿̒̃̓ͯ́͢ ̘̩̹̗͍̖͕̝ͮ̿̒ͧͦ̔̒̿͟͠N͇̞̙̩̑̈́̆ͮ͆̔́̇͘͢͞ͅÕ̵̞̪͇̒ͤͮ͂ͨ̏̃̓́̚͞ ̧́̒ͯ̆̄̓͂͆ͩ̓ͤͯ̓̽͛̒͏̦̣̘͇̗̳͖̪̼͚̱̟̼ͅS̡͙̪̼͍̯̘͆̂̔̈̿̀̎͌͗ͯ͑͗͊́͝Ṭ̴̸͙̩̟̤͖̭̄ͭ̔͋ͦ͆̌̽̂̅̂͐̌̊͒̍͢͝Ǒ̲̞̰͉̘̜͓̫͇͓̖̻̺̤̠͔̃̆̑̕͠P̶̶͍̩͚̟̮̰͕̮̣͕̱̥͕͕̤̦̫̽̐̀́͗́̐͋̽̾͗̈̆̏̅́͜͠ͅͅ ̨̡̬͕̥̭̠̣̻̬̞̳̜̠͕͇̘̈͊ͪͧ́̏͜ͅT̴̨̛͓̼̗͕̑ͦ̽ͮ̃̐̈́̈́̋̏͑̍ͬ͊͜͢H̢̲̜̦̠̺̤̼͓̑͆ͨͨ̃ͥ̎̉̚̚͟͠Ȩ̂ͥ̊̌́ͨ̔ͩ̾̚͜҉̖̙̦͎̱̯̻̟̝ ̡̮̺̠̮̖̩̮͙̮̜͕̦̯̔̑̿͒̑͑̊ͬH̵̡̠̗͓̞͓̲̯̳̳̱̪̤̦͔̫̉̔ͦͤ͐͌̌̏́̕͠ͅO̵͕͈̮̟͇ͣ̃̓͐ͧͧ̈́͑̐͊ͪͨ́́͢R̵̷̝̟͉̫̺̲͎͍̫͎̫̗̼̘͙̳̃͒̿́̓̈́̾̀̂̔͗͊̾ͦ́͞Ḯ̵ͦ͐̒̍͗̑̀͑ͯ͢͏̵̦͚͍͕͜Z̢̢̰̥̠͚̞͔͌̄̓̊́̅́̓ͮ͒̔ͦͪͮͪͪͫͩ͐͢͟Ŏ͍̼̮̭͉ͨͤͩ̒̄ͩͯ͑͒̄̍ͩ́͢͡Ñ̡̞̲͚̦̠̰̀͐̾̇̏ͥ͛̓̽̈́̿̊̔͐ͯ̂̽ͧ͝ ̒̊̄ͣͭ̏̔̀ͤ͏̴͇̟̺͓̻̼͓̞͇Ḭ̷͓͇̯̯̺̺̠ͫ̎̅̅̀͘͠S̶̫͍̩͔̣̃̈̿͆̔͑̋̓͢ ̵̼̜͓̹̣͍̰̤̒ͬͨͭͦ̋̽̕̕͜H̵̩̤̖͙̯̙̠͙̋̒ͨͯ̿͌ͥ̂̑ͫ͊̎ͬ̓́͘͡E̡̮̖͇̞̐̓̃̋͗͋̃͋̎̉̿͗̇ͧ͡Rͬ̊͋ͤͤ̆̂ͤ̇̀̆̚͘͟͡͏̜̩̪͡E̵̛͔̣͚̘̗̣̒͐̀̒̒ͪ̍͛̆̽ ̶̗̰̜̥̭̟̰̤̱̙̜͙̘̣̾ͮ͂͐́͒͐̆̒̿̋̾̋̂͗̊̉͢͝ͅA̓ͫ̓̈́ͮ̓͑̌̀͏͙͈̙̻̬̘͈̼͕̰̩̬͍̬̜N̡̐͗͊͑̾͌̅̇ͤ̔͊ͭ̇ͦͥ͞͏̯̗͖̯͚̱̹͙͕̝͎̹Ḑͭͣ̒̿̇̈͒̒͐ͨͭ̃̎҉̸͎͇̰̻̻͓̻͈̫̲̜̻̖̮̝͉́͜ͅ ̷̮̩̮̼̮͇͔̠̇̈͌ͬͪ̽͐ͧ̇͘ͅͅI̴̧̤̗͕̭̖̖̠̬͖͈̘̺ͦ̒ͩͤͥͬ̔̀͒ͬ͐ͥ̓͊̑ͤ͊ͥŢ̷̧͇͈͓̠̮͖̼͔̟̝͓̼͙̠̖ͥ̈́̈ͩ̋͑ͩͪ̆̆̅͒̚ͅ ̸͚̬͉̥͐ͧ͗̆ͧ̂̇́̚͢D̑͊̉̎͂̀̑͌̑̒ͪͩͦͨͩͭ͏̴̘̪̻̯͉̞͚̰͈͇̘͍̬͔̝̘̠O̱̩̳̫̫̮̘͎̐͂ͥͣ̈́̏̀͋ͬ̋ͮͬ̇ͮ̀̊̎̀͜Ẽ̷͌͂́҉̜͓͉̜͈̝̰͕͍͎̘̗̱͎̟̝̤̖̩S̵̫̮̭̱̤̙̞̫̺̖͕͚ͨ̓̿̃ͨ͛̿ͧ̽ͪ͗̚͘͜͢͡ͅŇ̸̘͔̭͙̜̤̮͙̰͖̮̰͓̈́ͮ͑͑ͫ̕͠'̵̰͚̗͇̜̪̣ͣ̈́̅̃̇̓́͠T̨̢̢͖̳̪͈̪̬̦̼̺̝̭͇̜͙͋̇ͮ̋̎̍ͭ̿̑̃ͨ̐̿̌̚͡ ̧̲̳̼̺̱̱̰͎͕ͬ̀̉̈̅̒͞S̵ͤ͌͌̆ͮ͒̎͜͝҉̹̱̤̣̞̱̜̻́ͅT̨̺̲͔̜͕̫͓̬̹̦͖͈͖̞̮̣ͪ̒̎̊ͣ͒ͭ̃͋̃͐́͒͋̀͢O̸̖̥͇̣͚̹̤̺͍͍̫ͩͪͩ̽ͨ͘͢͡P̶̼̲̰͎̼͍̫͓̺͇͇̠̥̘̘̩̦͌̐ͫͮ̓ͩͩͧͪͪ̍̓͋ͫ̊̅̑̀̚




That effect happens in lots of stories, really. There's some details foreshadowed that only make sense in retrospect. In PH, because it's such a dense story is that these things pop up all the time when re-reading any chapter, which is another reason I love this story so much.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Guest on Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:31 pm

Derpmind wrote:What other situations besides combat would trigger high blood presure, heart rate, etc? *Insert emote face of choice here*

Seriously though, VATS only has so much charge before you have to return to realtime combat while it recharges. You want to make the conscious choice when to activate it during combat. If VATS helped dodge bullets or similar then it would make sense to automatically activate, but VATS isn't designed to be defensive; it's offensive. It makes mister scary go away.

I'm not saying it activates that way exclusively. It's kind of silly to suggest that a wrist mounted computer wouldn't have options. Activating automatically may not be something an experienced survivor would want but the inexperienced straight out of the vault survivor that may not realize a situation is dangerous until too late would. In that situation it's useful life saving even. Once your comfortable you could turn off the feature.

You could argue that since the pipboy recognizes hostiles (Not talking about the red dashes on the compass. I honestly do not think those things are real. It's just the way the game expresses your perception. For an example a red dash that indicates a death claw may be there because your character may have seen claw marks or it's footprints or something. Making clues like this appear and disappear depending on your perception stat is just not doable. I think it highlights enemies in red when using VATS though.) that's factored in  along with stress factors. I think I'm wrong about the highlighting thing.


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