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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Thu May 15, 2014 8:58 pm

Yeah, I never finished Pink Eyes...

I've not read any New Pegas stories.
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Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 16, 2014 10:07 am

I've been tempted to try ponifying the opening sequence, but my writing would fall far short of what most FoE fics seem to hold themselves to.

That, and I'm not sure what pony species I'd make the Courier. Unicorns seem to be the most common, but a pegasi would make the most sense, since he'd be an errand pony.

Plus, I wouldn't know where and when in Equestria to set it.

'Viva New Pegas' apparently takes place 20 years after the events of the end of FoE...and I haven't seen any hints about it in 'New Pegas'
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Fri May 16, 2014 4:20 pm

Random thought:

I was thinking how in a lot of fantasy settings, authors can't resist the temptation to introduce an Atlantis-expy in their work, an old and extremely civilization that got destroyed through its own hubris, generally on a continent that got sunken in the process.

This made me wonder... Is it also the case for this setting?

Potential candidates:
- El-Dogado ("Dogs dug too deep, and too greedily")
- The Star-Worshipping Zebra
- show-accurate Crystal Empire (though only in the most superficial sense of "a land lost to time")
- Equestria itself??? Though Zebrica would probably be a more accurate candidate, if we go with FoE's description of the effects of the war on the Zebra homeland.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 16, 2014 5:16 pm

What if the Crystal Empire had 'popped back' after the bombs fell?

Would Sombra make forays into the Wasteland, or would he consolidate his power in the north?
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Harmony Ltd. on Fri May 16, 2014 5:32 pm

Depends on a number of things.

First, as a disclaimer, in the headcanon we've been developing here, the Crystal Empire as it is described in the show doesn't exist in this setting. What exist is an isolationist Empire on a different continent than Equestria, that may or may not have historically done (and continue to do) an heavy use of mind-altering magics.

This said, if we imagine a Crystal Empire as described in the show and put it on that remote continent, having it emerge a few das after the Days of Fire...

Well, first and foremost, Equestria and large swaths of Zebrica are at the moment extremely unwelcoming envirronment, devoid of any slaves. So they aren't of any interest to Sombra. Only the CE (crystal empire) has slaves he can use to dig his precious cryyyystaaaals, and I'm under the impression that crystals are not something the Crystal Empire lacks. So there's no pressure for Sombra to try to expand at that moment.

It's possible the Sombra-led Empire will simply grow and slowly expand on the frozen continent for the next hundred years - if only for Sombra to consolidate his power base before attempting to conquer the whole world.

Now, we need to remember that the continent on which we've put the Crystal empire IS remote, and far from everything else. So the Empire is at a disadvantage if it ever wanted to start launching itself in a Dark Crusade. Unless you handwave the logistical concerns with literal magic, but that would be... bad.

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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Scienza on Fri May 16, 2014 5:33 pm

Why would he want to? Equestria's a radioactive shithole now, while he controls possibly the only place in the world still untouched by the apocalypse.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 16, 2014 6:04 pm

Watch Project Horizons get knocked off target, hit Sombra and prompt him to invade the Wasteland...
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Harmony Ltd. on Fri May 16, 2014 6:18 pm

We're not sure if Somber went with Hinds' interpretation, but said interpretation is, as I alluded earlier, that the events of the season 3 opening two-parter never happened, that Cadence, if she exist in this setting, wasn't an Alicorn, and that Sombra never existed. The Crystal Kingdom / Empire itself simply having historically been relatively been isolationist.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Fri May 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Cadence is mentioned once in Project Horizons, on page 2255 (by an apparently outdated PDF that only has 65 chapters) by "Eclipse"


Eclipse actually frowned and rolled her eyes. “Not again. Honestly, why can’t she
simply go stay with Cadence?” Eclipse snorted scornfully, and my shock must have
shown because she immediately coughed and forced a smile. “Ahem. Sorry to
cut this short, but sometimes there’s just no reasoning with my. . . with Princess
Celestia. I’ll get somepony to show you out, my dear.”
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Scienza on Fri May 16, 2014 8:46 pm

Which sort of reminds me. Do we consider changelings to exist in FoE? Because one of the cool things about them is that if they do exist, it's entirely reasonable to assume that nopony would ever know.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Fri May 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Vinylshadow wrote:I've been tempted to try ponifying the opening sequence, but my writing would fall far short of what most FoE fics seem to hold themselves to.
Opening sequence?
Oh, of New Vegas?

Harmony wrote:- El-Dogado ("Dogs dug too deep, and too greedily")
"Dogrado" (which may have just been their capital; I'm forgetting some of my own headcanon here…), but that was kind of the idea, yes. I'm not sure about their destruction being due to their hubris, but I suppose that they might have survived if they'd tried diplomacy with the Northerners.

Harmony wrote:- The Star-Worshipping Zebra
Eh… Maybe? Northern civilization continued off the Peninsula, though, and what Peninsular works of theirs survived the fall and the years of abandonment was built over by ponies or just lost. They'd definitely fit the "brought down by their hubris" bit, though.
I don't seem to have locally stored the history I wrote on this.
Bah, and after I-don't-know-how-long searching, I still can't find it in the thread. We could do with a better way to archive this stuff.

Harmony wrote:- show-accurate Crystal Empire (though only in the most superficial sense of "a land lost to time")
We couldn't do that unless we junked this universe's current version of the Crystal Empire.

Harmony wrote:- Equestria itself??? Though Zebrica would probably be a more accurate candidate, if we go with FoE's description of the effects of the war on the Zebra homeland.
Hm. Equestria or the PR… (Zebrica being the continent, recall)
Maybe? I don't know, though. If either, it would probably be the PR, given its long history and how thoroughly most of its works were erased, but it still seems too recent. It's technically within living memory, after all.

Harmony wrote:We're not sure if Somber went with Hinds' interpretation
Probably not, but I don't think that he intends to bring the Crystal Empire up again (though I could be wrong).

Harmony wrote:and that Sombra never existed
Well, Sombra may have existed; he's what I based the ruling class on.

Vinylshadow wrote:Cadence is mentioned once in Project Horizons, on page 2255 (by an apparently outdated PDF that only has 65 chapters) by "Eclipse"
Aye. I'm not sure that her pony type is ever mentioned, but, whatever PH says, my headcanon has her as a winged unicorn (or horned pegasus, if there's a difference) at most.

Scienza wrote:Which sort of reminds me. Do we consider changelings to exist in FoE?
Well, this shared headcanon universe does. Have you not read any of Meleagridis's highly entertaining works involving them? :D
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Sat May 17, 2014 1:12 pm

Yeah, I feel like FoE only has the first two seasons considered canon.

Discord mentions that something caused everything to slide away from what we, the audience, consider canon and then Equestria slid towards their kind of industrial revolution and later to war.

I've heard it mentioned that Cadance was a Pegasus before she became an Alicorn, but how and when she changed is never expressly stated.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Sat May 17, 2014 7:45 pm

Vinylshadow wrote:Discord mentions that something caused everything to slide away from what we, the audience, consider canon and then Equestria slid towards their kind of industrial revolution and later to war.
I consider that speech to be mostly just Discord being Discord.

Vinylshadow wrote:I've heard it mentioned that Cadance was a Pegasus before she became an Alicorn, but how and when she changed is never expressly stated.
Wasn't that in one of the comics? I might be wrong, though, and I've not read it anyway.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Sun May 18, 2014 1:37 pm

Yeah, it's mentioned in 'Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell'

The book tells the story of Twilight Sparkle after she'd been made an Alicorn and seeks advice on being a princess. She turns to Cadance, who tells her life story, how as a baby pegasus she was found in the woods by earth ponies, who took her to their village.

blah blah, something about reverse-engineering a love spell and getting adopted by Celestia as her niece

ignore the die roll .-.


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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Game Master on Sun May 18, 2014 1:37 pm

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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Mon May 19, 2014 3:58 am

A wee bit more inspiration:
I've decided to call the diamond dog empire Bichtlan (likely also referred to as the Bichtlan Empire).  El Dogrado was just the capital.  The last ruler was Emperor Bichtlantecuhtli IX.
(The empire, of course, has some heavy mayincatec influence, in case you the reader had forgotten or are new and didn't see that.)
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Mon May 19, 2014 2:35 pm

'Bich'

Jack would be proud of that word

sheesh, writing the intro to New Vegas with ponies, not even a thousand words

knowing some authors, they'd be able to stretch it out to ten thousand easily

that, and I woudl have no idea where to place it in Equestria and I'm not sure if 'Neighvada Desert' woudl work for it or not


Giving the DD some more background sounds nice
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by O. Hinds on Sat May 24, 2014 7:08 pm

So, it seems that ATR is, unfortunately, dead. I've asked about the possibility of getting an outline of what would have happened, but I have no idea how likely that is.

On the plus side, at least, this will pretty much completely free up that area for us; even with an outline, we'll have a lot of room to work before broad strokes even have to be applied. Though we'll still need to see what the ending of PH does to the Remnant, of course.
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Vinylshadow on Sat May 24, 2014 7:34 pm

Oh, even if PH wipes out the Remnant, there's no law saying that a cell somewhere didn't survive
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Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

Post by Harmony Ltd. on Mon May 26, 2014 4:52 pm

Well, the good thing is, now this only leaves PH as the last story we are waiting to end to have complete free reign on what direction we want to take the setting in.

The more immediate consequence is that we are now free to do pretty much what we want of New Oatleans.
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Mon May 26, 2014 4:56 pm

Do we still keep the idea of the area having a sizable equestrian mino-majority pre-war, or do we go full blank-slate here?
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon May 26, 2014 5:29 pm

Were we having a lot of minotaurs in the New Oatleans area? I don't remember that.

I'd rather not go full blank slate; New Oatleans is only on the map at all because of ATR, after all, and I recall that I was already at least partially using broad strokes for it as for the others.
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Post by Vinylshadow on Mon May 26, 2014 5:34 pm

I think Neighorleans sounds better than New Oatleans
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon May 26, 2014 5:45 pm

Hm... agreed. And it would remove the question of where "Oatleans" is and what happened to it.
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon May 26, 2014 5:58 pm

Map updated.
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Post by Vinylshadow on Mon May 26, 2014 6:13 pm

Seems like any area with 'New' in the name could be changed to Neigh with little difficulty

....

Now I'm imagining "Neigh Jersey" as being an area where sports fans congrate
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Post by O. Hinds on Mon May 26, 2014 10:31 pm

Of course, some places legitimately have "New" in the name. Though I do find myself wondering why Old Olneigh is Old Olneigh...
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Post by Icy Shake on Mon May 26, 2014 11:25 pm

O. Hinds wrote:Of course, some places legitimately have "New" in the name.  Though I do find myself wondering why Old Olneigh is Old Olneigh...
It could be because New Olneigh became so much more prominent that it became habit to modify Old Olneigh instead of New. Or, for a more flavorful version, Old Olneigh could have been named after someone called "Old" Olneigh due to his or her age when the city was founded. On the foundation of New Olneigh, it was naturally determined that "New Old Olneigh" would be a profoundly stupid name, so the "Old" got dropped.
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Post by O. Hinds on Tue May 27, 2014 12:24 am

Heh. :)
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Post by Harmony Ltd. on Tue May 27, 2014 12:39 am

I forgot to put "zebra" between "equestrian" and "mino-majority" (demographic group so large it would be unfair to call it a minority)
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