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Post by Derpmind on Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:41 am

Kaidon wrote:On a side note, does anyone know if there's a list of the songs linked in PH around somewhere? They always accompanied amazing scenes.
As for fan music I'd imagine there's a list of it on the FOE resource site.

So I tried looking to see if that list existed somewhere, and while there's a bunch of fan music on youtube I couldn't find anything. I did find this little animation, which I'm sorry to say is hilarious. And then I took a look at the FoE resource site, which I kinda haven't looked at much before.

Take a look. 79 pages, with 20 items on each page. Basically, wow.

Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. How So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by swicked on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:03 am

swicked wrote:
Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:@Swicked
I don't think it was really possible to get inside Lacunae's head; certainly not easy, anyway. That said, I did like her, more from how she interacted with others (mostly Blackjack) than from connecting with her. She's not my favorite or anything, if we were to play favorites, but it was always nice and sort of cute/awkward/charming when she came out of her shell (or, more often, was forced out) for an instant.
...now that I think about it, while I expected remorse from all of them, Rampage's reaction was pretty extreme, even for her.

I wonder if Lacunae was special to her somehow. Maybe the therapist's therapist, or at least someone she could talk to. Beyond that I don't really know what their relationship could have been.
Might be worth asking Somber...
...actually, Rampage could have just seen the similarities between herself and Lacunae, I guess.
An immortal, oversized pony with no past made up of an amalgamation of other ponies, not existing in her own right, with the same threat of being disbursed if those ponies break apart.
But Lacunae got to die, despite the fact that she wasn't actually suicidal. I mean, she chose to be dispersed, but she didn't want to kill herself because she just wanted to die.
There's enough there for her to just feel a stronger bond than might have actually existed, but I dunno...

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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Kaidon on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:47 am

Derpmind wrote:
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. :how:So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.

 I suppose I'll wait until PH has ended and I inevitably re-read it and find the songs :P

I just remember that the hightower 'boss fight' against the warden, and Blackjack teaming up with the various gangers against the Harbingers and Deus, were both scenes accompanied by songs which really strengthened the immersion.

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Post by Meleagridis on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:24 am

Okay I'm running out the door so I don't have time to elaborate or catch up and check if someone else said this already, but if I don't mention it now I'll just forget.

What if Psalm decides she's gonna finish Operation Partypooper?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Kaidon wrote:
Derpmind wrote:
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. :how:So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.

 I suppose I'll wait until PH has ended and I inevitably re-read it and find the songs :P

I just remember that the hightower 'boss fight' against the warden, and Blackjack teaming up with the various gangers against the Harbingers and Deus, were both scenes accompanied by songs which really strengthened the immersion.

Hey, I can find those two! The first scene's from the hightower arch, which I narrowed down to chapter 48, Inferno, so a quick ctfl+f for Warden got me a link to Night on Bald Mountain. The second scene is from the chapter Reaper, which is #42, and this is where I kinda got stuck re-reading the entire chapter because it's awesome. Anyways, while there's a part during the big fight where music starts playing, there's no link there. Maybe the link was removed? It really looks like there should be one there.

Also, found this little bit:
Ch. 42 wrote:My magic’s strength wasn’t sufficient to swing Taurus’ rifle around, so I copied his style and braced it with my forelegs and shoulder as I slowly panned across the Harbingers amassed outside.  Not a lot of talking… just a whole lot of waiting.  For a moment, I rested the crosshairs on the head of an unaware mare.  I could kill her right now; take out one of my enemies.  I shuddered and pointed the gun away.  No, I’d never be a sniper.
Somber, how the hell do you do keep doing this? Are you so good at writing believable stuff that Life's Irony just naturally creeps in?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Derpmind on Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:40 pm

Hmm. Small chance we might see the name Mephitis pop up again soon. He was the director of the Yellow River Detainment Camp, did evil things and went to Thunderhead with a bag full of money. BJ downloaded the audio recordings he left. There's also Switftwing, who got stuck in that 'Special Processing' holding cell and BJ got the recordings she left.

Ch. 42 wrote:“The Star Maiden is she who is born from the cursed soil of the damned city.  She will be flesh and steel, touched by the stars and chosen as their champion.  Where she travels, chaos and strife will follow,” Xanthe said as she trotted in our wake.  Why, I couldn’t imagine.  “It is she that shall bear evil from the ground, usher in the final days of the world, snuff out the sun forever and call down the moon.  She shall summon storms, unleash plague, command unholy fire, destroy all in her path and all who follow in her wake.  Female shall desire female, male shall desire male, and unholy coupling between the species will commence where she travels.”

“Damn…” Bluebelle snickered and leered at the zebra.  “I’m getting moist right now just hearing all this.”

Big mac 

Ch. 42 wrote:Turns out we’ve got records of a disease like that.”

“Director Mephitis?” I asked.

“Mhmmm.  One of the oldest medical families in the Enclave wrote about it.”

The ending's still black.

It's kinda weird, this seems like it could be split into two chapters: The gang fight and the detention center. But they do work together. We see two sides of a Reaper: The fighter that bands others together, and the unstoppable monster that kills everything. That's not the best way to describe it, but y'all know what I mean.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Vergil on Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:17 pm

I'm finally back here again and my week has been way more awesome than it has had any right to be.

I blame 58.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Somber on Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:22 pm

Vergil wrote:I'm finally back here again and my week has been way more awesome than it has had any right to be.

I blame 58.

 sorry.

Also, Sorry to Ryx too.  ::Hugs::  While I wanted feels, I don't want to create distress.

@swicked.  Rampage is so upset because two things.  One, someone she knew and liked is dead.  Rampage doesn't like many people.  Lacunae was calm and collected and beautiful and powerful, all things that Rampage admired.  Now she's gone.  And that hurts Rampage.  She doesn't want to lose ponies she actually cares about.  But she's also dead.  And that makes her back track.  For the last few weeks she's been able to put dying out of her mind.  She's been fairly happy.  Now she's reminded of why she wants to die and she envies Lacunae.  That's all.


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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by WavemasterRyx on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 pm

Somber wrote:Also, Sorry to Ryx too.  ::Hugs::  While I wanted feels, I don't want to create distress.
*hugs you back gently*
It's alright, sir, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just me being silly and overemotional as always. You have to write the story the way you need to, and if that means characters are going to die, then that's just the way it has to be. I'm sad that she's gone, but I don't blame you or anything.

O. Hinds wrote:I'm sorry about all the tears, but you can take some consolation that you've better eyesight than me.
Thank you, Hinds. Well, we'll see anyways, I have an appointment to get a routine checkup on my eyes later today, actually.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Ketchup on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:26 pm

58, thoughts:
Finally finished 58 after putting it off a few times.

I was fond of the memory sequence, much more than I usually am of them. The additional mentions of the figurines were a nice touch to the chapter as well.

The whole chapter was entertaining throughout. Sometimes there are lows and highs in a chapter that impede consistent enjoyment, this chapter lacked that for me.

The final fate of the Goddess and her Unity was well pulled off, I'd say. If considered canon, it adds depth and a nice perspective over those final moments, something that couldn't have been done with LittlePip. I'm also glad to get more clarification on what the importance Gestalt and Mosaic was.

Lancer is up in the air(figuratively, I mean. They're all up in the air literally. too) for me. I find his behaviour rather strange, considering he's supposed to hate the Maiden. He's too... goofy? I don't know.

Some of the lasting plotlines were resolved. It's always nice to see them put together, and I thought they were tied up well.

Lacunae ended in quite possibly the best way she could. The Unity experience through Blackjack's perspective was interesting, too.

So, yeah, I liked this one. One of my favourites.

and a little rant that has little to do with this particular chapter:
I've always been one to say that writers that write and publish work for free should write what they want to write, not what others expect of them, perhaps not even what they are asked to write. It's the author's story written in the author's spare time because the author wants to. Anyone who reads this kind of non-profit writing should realize that the author owes nothing to the reader in a sense, it's not like we pay for it with anything other than time.
three little typos present at the time of reading:

“You did,” I murmured as I bent my head, as the Goddess wanted.
There's a missing 'I'.

“Funny.  Never thought it’d be radiation that got me,”
The 't' is missing in thought.

I pulled out twilight’s figurine.
The 'T' needs to be capitalized.
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Post by swicked on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:45 pm

Somber wrote:@swicked.  Rampage is so upset because two things.  One, someone she knew and liked is dead.  Rampage doesn't like many people.  Lacunae was calm and collected and beautiful and powerful, all things that Rampage admired.  Now she's gone.  And that hurts Rampage.  She doesn't want to lose ponies she actually cares about.  But she's also dead.  And that makes her back track.  For the last few weeks she's been able to put dying out of her mind.  She's been fairly happy.  Now she's reminded of why she wants to die and she envies Lacunae.  That's all.
Ah.
I keep forgetting Rampage does that... raises others up in her mind, or casts them down. Not for her own interactions with them, but for what she sees them as, sometimes irrespective of their actual acts. She seems to be really judgemental, that way. It makes more sense to me why she idolizes Blackjack yet, at least at one point, thought P-21 was completely worthless slime. It's never about anything they did or didn't do for her, but what value she sees in them. What virtues or vices.
It's an interesting perspective. Particularly since, the other reason she's so emotional is, again, entirely something internal to her and had nothing to do with what Lacunae had been to her, personally.

I wonder if she has a sort of reverse Karma Beacon perk, where those that are a little good are saintly to her, and those that are a little evil are despicable.

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Post by swicked on Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:13 pm

Derpmind wrote:
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. :how:So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.
...well, you could download all the documents as word documents, combine them (open the first word document, then file-->insert and "insert" all the other documents into your current one), then use the find tool for hyperlinks and find them all that way.

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Post by O. Hinds on Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:24 pm

@Ketchup:
Ah, thank you for the error spotting.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by Meleagridis on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:12 pm

Anyone think it's about time for another memory dive into Rampage? By now, you'd think BJ is as used to mental violation as dying.

Anyhow, to elaborate on earlier: Lacunae returned all her memories and personalities to their rightful spots, in the alicorns from which they came, presumably including the body she used. Now think back-- don't we know who Lacunae's body is? Someone singled out for punishment by a vengeful Goddess for an unrelenting (corrupted) hope in a pointless murder mission. Do Psalm's memories go back? Remember, Lacunae's body didn't die, it flew off. The chances are good that all the memories are back in place, along with her personality. Way back I've said a few times that Lacunae is Psalm, but recent chapters (particularly a very clear sentence in this one) have proven that assumption to be false. Lacunae is not Psalm. Psalm is much more dangerous.

When Psalm's personality was severed and stored, she was a monster with a mission. There was nothing in her life but fulfillment of those exceedingly simple conditions: Kill anyone capable of activating EC-1101 and, consequently, Project Horizons (if I remember correctly). Now I'm still fuzzy on the nature of minds and memories and souls, but if I understand correctly these things are all very distinct. Even if the memories of what once was Lacunae are kept within the vessel that experienced them, there really isn't any reason to suspect that it will affect Psalm. She will not see it through Lacunae, she will see these memories through herself. She won't have the humility, the self awareness, the regret of those countless minds in Unity. She'll just have herself. And I don't think that knowing Lacunae's life, if even this occurs, will change Psalm's conviction. She was already past the point of no return, now nothing can be allowed to sway her from the mission. Kill all official personal capable of using EC-1101. Kill the princesses. Kill the ministry mares.

And their descendants.

Lacunae's life will not lead to Psalm's redemption. It will only lead her to the only survivor of Ministry lineage known to the alicorn.
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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:15 pm

But wouldn't she know Psychoshy was related to a ministry mare as well?

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Post by Meleagridis on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:51 pm

Last wrote:But wouldn't she know Psychoshy was related to a ministry mare as well?

Well, yes. But she'd also know that Psychoshy has been secreted away to some batcave while Blackjack will be thundering visibly through the Hoof and possibly trust the body that Psalm will have. Much more appealing, especially when you consider that this will be her best chance to die.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:38 pm

swicked wrote:
Somber wrote:"Facts and figures I recite with ease.  The square root of five hundred and forty-six is twenty-three point three six six six four two eight nine one zero nine."
So Twilight does all the thinking for all of them? Is that really what you're saying?
No, Twilight just handles the heavy probability calculations. And there are others in the Unity who can donate their combat expertise to come up with a time-to-defeat. That's the power of Unity.

swicked wrote:Question: Weren't there more lockers with known codes to them?
Nope. There are more with unknown codes, though. We've yet to open Jetstream, Applesnack, Echo, Twist, or Mac himself.

swicked wrote:Question: If the goddess shutters doubt away inside Lacunae, how does she form plans? Just the first thing that pops into her head?
Cold probability calculations?

swicked wrote:Question/Low: Just how the hell do memories work? Memories separated from a pony appear as, essentially, memory orbs, it seems. Not knowledge. A memory of being trained in something would be like a memory orb to any pony other than the one that owns the memory, to who it is just knowledge of the training, correct? Or not correct? What is Psalm's shared training? Why does Blackjack have to live though all other memories she touches in Lacunae? I don't get this! Shouldn’t she have to live though every last day in front of Psalm’s training instructor to gain this knowledge?
No more than she needs to relive Twilight's time in Magic Kindergarten to borrow teleport spells from the Unity. She would need to do that if she hoped to retain the skills later, but as long as she's plugged in, she can borrow skills freely -- I think it's sort of like having someone telling you exactly what to do, but at a lower level. Rather than whispering instructions in your ear, you just know what bits do what, how it should feel, and what actions to take. Just like how she picked up on teleportation in her fight with Pain Train.

swicked wrote:Question: how do you figure the distance on Littlepip's temple though all that building in the way? You can't sight her. This would be one heck of a hard headshot...
Actually, that would be the easy part. BJ twiddled the scope's depth setting on-screen. So you just have to adjust the depth until the target vanishes, then back off until she reappears and look at what range the dial is set to. But I would bet that the scope has its elevation adjustment slaved to the depth-of-field control, so it's always zeroed for the range you're looking at anyway. There's presumably a second adjustment for inclination, but it might even have an automatic clinometer adjusting the bullet-drop-by-distance ratio on the fly. At least, that's how I'd design it if I had unlimited resources and Sufficiently Advanced Magic.

Hell, with an enchanted bypass bullet, you don't even have to worry about windage -- air isn't flesh, so it passes right through! (The enchantment presumably doesn't activate until it leaves the barrel, because firing the bullet would otherwise be kind of awkward.)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:43 pm

Last wrote:I think having the brain destroyed and the head removed are a bit different. Maybe it's something the talisman has built in, to save energy? It doesn't regenerate what can be recovered?
Her body collapsed when Blueblood beheaded her. I'll grant it didn't instantly go limp, but it sure didn't swing around and start beating the crap out of him.

Somber wrote:There's another explaination:  Botched writing trying for humor.
Yyyyyeah... in this one particular case, I sort of have to agree. I mean, it was a funny mental image, but the mental "WTF?" sort of overwhelmed the humor for me. Maybe it could have just sliced off her face? Icky, but workable.


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Post by Moodyman90 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:44 pm

Wasn't Psalm's final moments of her trying to get herself killed by Twilight while trying to kill Twilight? And even if she doesn't remember that part, she still spent weeks getting to Maripony just so she could get herself killed by Twilight. She had a deathwish because she knew everything she had done to that point was pointless, that she had been used to clean up the mess of others. She only kept going because she she just couldn't quit.

And unless we go with she knows Blackjack is Twilight's decendent because that enter the general hive mind knowledge of Unity rather then actual memories from Lacunae, would it really matter?

If Psalm comes back and isn't a confused mess who can only function with the help of other alicorns as support, honestly the only real reason she'd seek out Blackjack is attempt to get herself killed. And between looking like Lacunae and the fact it would be Psalm... who Blackjack got to experience nearly her entire life...

Now I hate to be this guy, but just what would the point of having Psalm show up and attacking Blackjack? Granted if anybody could pull it off it's Somber but it would be:

"Lacunae back!"
Psalm attacks.
"Why is she attacking us?"
The whole group fights Psalm resulting in Blackjack getting close and asking something along the lines of "Why are you attacking us? Revenge for the Goddess?"
Psalm would then say something about "earning my forgiveness" which would of course Blackjack would pick up on and go "Psalm?"

And then what? What is the point? Once again I hate to be that guy but Psalm showing up would , granted in my opinion, cheapen Lacunae's death. Cause Psalm showing up would either end with "And she's dead. Now we really won't ever see our friend again." *sadface*
The other option is that she joins the group, so... yeah it's not really Lacunae but it renders her death pointless because she'd be replaced with herself.

I know this is a "what if" and all but I simply can't get behind it.
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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:08 am

BJ has a higher chance of killing psalm? I don't think so. That is lacunae's body and yeah I just don't see it. Psychoshy on the other hand.

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Post by swicked on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:09 am

So "memories" are, all at once, recorded snippets of life, experience in crafts, knowledge of subjects, facts learned or recorded, wisdom of lifetime and copies of personalities?
Certainly are dynamic liitle buggers. I get more and more confused where memory ends and soul begins.

I still don't get why an alicorn that was once a pipbuck technician was used to retrieve and affix a pipbuck. Best I can figure that was just an odd coincidence.

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Post by Meleagridis on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:11 am

Moodyman90 wrote:snip

You sure see Psalm as being much more calm and stable than I do. But think of it this way: one way or another, Psalm is now an agent in the story. She can go one of two ways: kill herself out of guilt or not. We've already seen that her attempts at self-destruction fall more on the Deus and Blackjack side of things, so I really doubt she'll just lay down and die. She'll be drawn to something. If she does not have Lac's memories, she will inevitably either come back to the Hoof, keep killing Partypooper targets until she follows Blackjack back to the Hoof, or start looking for answers and explanations... which will draw her back to the Hoof.

Once there, all manner of bad things can pull that cold and ruthless killing machine back out again.

She could meet Cognitum and get an upgrade from a twisted and warped version of Luna. Who better for a twisted and warped version of the faithful? She could uncover more of Goldenblood's plans, and come to the conclusion that Partypooper was actually the right thing to do... or at least, the lesser evil. At least it might seem so with the information she's given. But honestly I don't think it even needs to get so far. Psalm was really far gone. Really far gone. I honestly don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe that she would just start blindly following the list of targets again rather than face up to reality. She won't have words for Blackjack, I don't think. If anything, she would outright avoid or concisely kill Blackjack just so that she couldn't be swayed from this lunatic cause. Because BJ could probably do it, she was in Psalm's head after all. If Psalm remembers this, and if she's as damaged as I believe, it just makes Blackjack a priority target.

Or Psalm could be fine. Or too crazy to travel. But honestly... I know I shouldn't base my theories on the potential for suffering it causes the characters, but I can't think of getting much more cursed than Twist having to fight her old squadmate, probably to the death.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

Post by SilentCarto on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:21 am

swicked wrote:So "memories" are, all at once, recorded snippets of life, experience in crafts, knowledge of subjects, facts learned or recorded, wisdom of lifetime and copies of personalities?
Certainly are dynamic liitle buggers. I get more and more confused where memory ends and soul begins.
I don't understand your confusion. Skills aren't inextricably linked to the specific memories of obtaining those skills. I mean, can you remember every time you learned anything about using a computer? Every event that shaped your ability to drive? Of course not. Your skills are a set of reflexes, heuristics, and problem solutions that have built up from layer after layer of experience.

BJ didn't get stuffed with memories of being a sniper. She just had the skill downloaded into her, divorced from specific events. Like in the Matrix -- "I know kung fu." The only time she started digging around in specific memories was when she was searching for information that had been stowed in Lacunae.
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Post by Icy Shake on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:36 am

Another memory/skill possibility I thought of today basically had to do with bandwidth. Supposing there's a former PipBuck technician even remotely nearby, it could be less costly on the system to have the body move and take the skill with it than to upload and download the skills through telepathy. That could especially be the case if the system was under a heavy load at the time, or there were other complicating factors, like Enervation in Hoofington or the Pink Fog in Canterlot, or if it's much easier to transfer small than large batches (several years' experience with PipBucks, complete with all the idle thoughts and connections made along the way, and the database of educational and other context leading up to it vs. a couple month's time).

I guess I just think of it as an extension of or analogy to the fact that sometimes you still get the best bandwidth through a station wagon full of magnetic tape.
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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:40 am

So I guess this is kinda tasteless but during Lacunae's death scene I actually laughed a couple times. The thought "I have to go. My people need me." got stuck in my head.

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Post by swicked on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:53 am

We have two things. Memories, being motes of light that can be captured in orbs and experienced in full, and souls, that can be sucked out and collapsed into choires. Oddly, both look very similar, and some choires actually deal in both, often-enough...
I mean, while the goddess trades them between ponies, the eater leaves them in clouds under hoofington.

In any case, skills are... a part of memories? Refined from memories? What?
To give BJ the skills of a sniper, how many memories needed to be transfered? Or could raw skill and the aptitude of the pony who owned the memories be removed and shared specially?
Or were these skills actually some form of proxie control, a pony with the memories acting as copilot and collaborating with BJ as she sniped? If that was psalm, was she doing it intentionally from within Lacunae? Did BJ have enough Psalm memories to do such a thing subconsciously all by herself?

Basically, how are skills transfered?


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Post by Somber on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:17 am

Magic?

 EDIT: BTW, I really wanted to thank everypony that replied.  The thing with headless Rampage was me trying for a moment of grim humor.  Honestly, I was terrified people would think I was making fun of what happened to Steelhooves.  I was rereading the chapter after we finished and went 'OMG, people are going to kill me for making fun of Steelhooves' death!  I'm a horrible person!'  The three big things I wanted was Lacunae putting her hoof down and finally gaining her independence, the goddess' redemption, and then Lacunae's sacrifice.  I think all three of them went well.  I want to tweak the third but... ::Twitchy Twitch:: Originally I wanted Twilight to have a chat with Blackjack before flying off for Pip... but it wouldn't have been fair.  in FoE, the twilicorn was mute.  It would have been wrong for her to chat up BJ but say nothing to LP.

Currently, I'm wrestling with a dilemma.  Part of me wants BJ to reach Thunderhead.  It will really give me a chance to show off Glory, explore a little with P-21 and Rampage, and get a little zebra involved as well.  However, another part of me wants to short cut to shadowbolt tower.  I'm not sure which would be better...  If I did go to Thunderhead, it would likely become a three parter.  Otherwise, I could just hurry things up and maybe get it done in one and a half.  Thoughts?
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Post by swicked on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:31 am

...was this just another one of those ways to level Blackjack up without her gaining levels?
You know, since she retains the skill after she loses the memories or something.

...or does she have memory of the memories? Is that how it works?

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Post by swicked on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:37 am

...are you honestly asking the project horizons comment crew whether you should write an interesting side arc, extending the story by a few chapters, or cut that and skip to the climax?
Somber, not only do we love your writing, but PH is our lifeblood and we want to live as long as possible. I vote Thunderhead.

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Honestly, the only people on this forum I can remember ever so much as suggesting you outright remove content from the story were snipehamsters and, I think, kipper.

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Post by WavemasterRyx on Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:10 am

Somber wrote:BTW, I really wanted to thank everypony that replied.  The thing with headless Rampage was me trying for a moment of grim humor.  Honestly, I was terrified people would think I was making fun of what happened to Steelhooves.  I was rereading the chapter after we finished and went 'OMG, people are going to kill me for making fun of Steelhooves' death!  I'm a horrible person!'  The three big things I wanted was Lacunae putting her hoof down and finally gaining her independence, the goddess' redemption, and then Lacunae's sacrifice.  I think all three of them went well.  I want to tweak the third but... ::Twitchy Twitch:: Originally I wanted Twilight to have a chat with Blackjack before flying off for Pip... but it wouldn't have been fair.  in FoE, the twilicorn was mute.  It would have been wrong for her to chat up BJ but say nothing to LP.

Currently, I'm wrestling with a dilemma.  Part of me wants BJ to reach Thunderhead.  It will really give me a chance to show off Glory, explore a little with P-21 and Rampage, and get a little zebra involved as well.  However, another part of me wants to short cut to shadowbolt tower.  I'm not sure which would be better...  If I did go to Thunderhead, it would likely become a three parter.  Otherwise, I could just hurry things up and maybe get it done in one and a half.  Thoughts?
Well, sir, since SteelHooves is one of my favorite characters from FoE, I can speak with relative authority to the fact that I don't think it came across as an insult to him. I may not have been able to laugh at the situation, but I could definitely see the humor you intended for it, and I don't think you were wrong for trying to bring some humor into it.
As I said in my commentary, I do think you achieved the things you wanted out of the chapter, and it was a good chapter.

As for your dilemma... I really don't think you should try to rush anything. Letting them go to Thunderhead and giving your characters more of a chance to interact and grow is one of the things that makes Project Horizons what it is. I'm sure some people can say it better, and plenty will tell you to cut it short in any way possible... but I think you should only cut straight to Shadowbolt Tower if you're absolutely certain, and if you wouldn't regret the story missing what would have happened at Thunderhead.
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