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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by RoboRed on Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:19 pm

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Not bad for a new chapter. Now she has a new destination, some "company", more information on the Bearers, and possibly a new weapon in the form of that spell she found. She's gonna need to talk to that scribe first, though.

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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:23 pm

swicked wrote:Cool, I'll read it soon.
I'd been harassing the author; he originally said the story would be out three weeks ago :P
I give estimates, not promises. Cut me some slack, eh? These chapters are usually ten thousand words or more.
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Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:27 pm

Author of the fic here, just happened upon this thread. It's awesome to read what you have to say about my story just amongst yourselves.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by RoboRed on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Was wondering when you'd start postiong here. I caught your username hovering around on the "users online" list a couple months back.  Applebloom 

Welcome to the thread!

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Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:01 pm

Thanks. Anyone wanna ask me questions or something? I'd respond to a few more of the previous discussions, but well... there was a lot of them.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:20 pm

Hehehe, I swear, Conviction is so weird in the best way.
I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen.
Because it is MLP, we know Nightmare Moon will not be released.
The start of each chapter cryptically references Slight's reign of terror.
Despite, she has no solid goal. She's really just pulling every thread she sees... and not even out of curiosity; she's just desperate for direction.

The only final goal I can think of is for her to eventually attempt to assassinate Celestia, which could only end in Slight's death. She must accomplish something, though. I'm reminded of the movie "Hero", in which the main character's journey and the lives of so many he met were simply to deliver a single message to an emperor, after which he allowed himself to be killed to end the story.

...but Slight isn't noble. Maybe she'll learn to be? I doubt it.
None of these are questions I want you to answer here, of course, Y1. They're just some of the many questions that  make your story so compelling!  :D

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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:29 pm

Assassinating Celestia is actually something Slight wouldn't try to do, at least not at the moment. See, Celestia is Luna's sister in Slight's mind, which means she is a god to Slight. An evil, depraved, sniveling rodent of a god, but divinity nonetheless. To Slight the idea of a mortal trying to slay Celestia is just a stones throw form being as ridiculous as someone trying to slay Luna.

Of course, Luna did just get banished, so that kinda rends a giant gaping hole in Slight's worldview which will eventually scab over and scar into something... that I don't want to spoil.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:42 pm

Hmmm.
"Assassinate" probably wasn't the right word.
I think Slight will eventually come to the conclusion that her revenge, or at least Luna's return, cannot be completed without Celestia being removed. Maybe with banishment to the sun, maybe with a curse that puts her to sleep... anything, really.
I wouldn't have put it past her to try to kill Celestia under the suspicion there was only ever one "real" pony goddess, but yeah...
While I wouldn't expect a direct confrontation, I really think Slight will be attempting to take Celestia out, to some degree, eventually... which will be the death of Slight.

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Post by OneMoreDaySK on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:13 pm

Nah, Slight's going to be one of the other pony statues in Celestia's garden.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:25 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Nah, Slight's going to be one of the other pony statues in Celestia's garden.
Why do you think that?

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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by RoboRed on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:53 pm

So, these popped up about a month ago and I had no idea.

Slight: https://derpibooru.org/501287?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Summer: https://derpibooru.org/501286?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188

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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by OneMoreDaySK on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:09 pm

swicked wrote:
OneMoreDaySK wrote:Nah, Slight's going to be one of the other pony statues in Celestia's garden.
Why do you think that?

Random train of thought. If Discord was a statue, why not the others?
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:16 pm

Because Discord is a god of chaos that can only be contained, not destroyed.
Unless you are proposing Slight will find a way to become immortal I don't see that happening.

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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:56 pm

RoboRed wrote:So, these popped up about a month ago and I had no idea.

Slight: https://derpibooru.org/501287?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Summer: https://derpibooru.org/501286?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Yeah, Dream Pheonix did those. He PM'd me one day asking about the characters, and wanting more detailed descriptions. I love how he's interpreted them, in particular Song looks like exactly what I had in mind.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:57 pm

As for the turning into a statue thing, I will say that it was my first idea on how to end the story, but eventually I had a better one.
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Re: Conviction Discussion thread

Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:10 pm

Y1 wrote:
RoboRed wrote:So, these popped up about a month ago and I had no idea.

Slight: https://derpibooru.org/501287?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Summer: https://derpibooru.org/501286?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Yeah, Dream Pheonix did those. He PM'd me one day asking about the characters, and wanting more detailed descriptions. I love how he's interpreted them, in particular Song looks like exactly what I had in mind.
Huh.
I imagined Song as actually being kinda runt-y. She peaks out from behind a pegasus guard, IIRC, so though she was actually fairly small, even for a unicorn. At least enough to be concealed entirely just by standing right behind a pegasus... even to a pony that was a taller than said pegasus and so should be able to see beyond him fairly well.
All the more to contrast with Slight, who I always thought of as kinda stocky. Not Big Mac-level, but still noticeably thicker than other ponies and a bit taller, as I said.
Thus, when Song was pleading for her life, she looked all the more like a child cowering before Slight, which helped sway her.
But my mind kinda gets ahead of me for scenes like that...

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Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:33 pm

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Y1 wrote:
RoboRed wrote:So, these popped up about a month ago and I had no idea.

Slight: https://derpibooru.org/501287?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Summer: https://derpibooru.org/501286?scope=scpe46f1cc6a4eee0e43da89fb9c8daaa88ac7ff3188
Yeah, Dream Pheonix did those. He PM'd me one day asking about the characters, and wanting more detailed descriptions. I love how he's interpreted them, in particular Song looks like exactly what I had in mind.
Huh.
I imagined Song as actually being kinda runt-y. She peaks out from behind a pegasus guard, IIRC, so though she was actually fairly small, even for a unicorn. At least enough to be concealed entirely just by standing right behind a pegasus... even to a pony that was a taller than said pegasus and so should be able to see beyond him fairly well.
All the more to contrast with Slight, who I always thought of as kinda stocky. Not Big Mac-level, but still noticeably thicker than other ponies and a bit taller, as I said.
Thus, when Song was pleading for her life, she looked all the more like a child cowering before Slight, which helped sway her.
But my mind kinda gets ahead of me for scenes like that...
Um... You got your imagery pretty much spot on there. I was aiming for Summer to come across as childish, being both shorter and smaller in frame than Slight, who is tall and kinda stocky, but... you sure she doesn't look childish in that pic? She looks that way to me is all.
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Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:44 pm

Slight just looks really, really thin in that picture. Not stocky at all (well, except her legs are a fair amount thicker than Song's, but I'm talking about around her barrel).
Song's legs look really long, to me. I would have also thought she'd have a bit more of a rounded, childish face compared to Slight's, which would be a bit more angular and rough.
Plus, you put those two pictures next to each other, they are very nearly the same size with Slight only having a slightly longer neck. I mean, there's nothing to indicate these pictures are meant to scale with each other, but I would have expected... well, more runt-ish proportions if Song was meant to be depicted as significantly shorter than Slight. Essentially roughly as much shorter than an average guard pony than Slight is taller, since that would allow her to all but disappear behind one.

It's a little odd to think these were drawn at the same time, too, given Slight's down one ear when she meets Song, but that's really just artistic license.

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Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:51 pm

swicked wrote:Slight just looks really, really thin in that picture. Not stocky at all (well, except her legs are a fair amount thicker than Song's, but I'm talking about around her barrel).
Song's legs look really long, to me. I would have also thought she'd have a bit more of a rounded, childish face compared to Slight's, which would be a bit more angular and rough.
Plus, you put those two pictures next to each other, they are very nearly the same size with Slight only having a slightly longer neck. I mean, there's nothing to indicate these pictures are meant to scale with each other, but I would have expected... well, more runt-ish proportions if Song was meant to be depicted as significantly shorter than Slight. Essentially roughly as much shorter than an average guard pony than Slight is taller, since that would allow her to all but disappear behind one.

It's a little odd to think these were drawn at the same time, too, given Slight's down one ear when she meets Song, but that's really just artistic license.
Huh. Good thing it's fan art and I didn't pay for it, then.
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Post by swicked on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:01 pm

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swicked wrote:Slight just looks really, really thin in that picture. Not stocky at all (well, except her legs are a fair amount thicker than Song's, but I'm talking about around her barrel).
Song's legs look really long, to me. I would have also thought she'd have a bit more of a rounded, childish face compared to Slight's, which would be a bit more angular and rough.
Plus, you put those two pictures next to each other, they are very nearly the same size with Slight only having a slightly longer neck. I mean, there's nothing to indicate these pictures are meant to scale with each other, but I would have expected... well, more runt-ish proportions if Song was meant to be depicted as significantly shorter than Slight. Essentially roughly as much shorter than an average guard pony than Slight is taller, since that would allow her to all but disappear behind one.

It's a little odd to think these were drawn at the same time, too, given Slight's down one ear when she meets Song, but that's really just artistic license.
Huh. Good thing it's fan art and I didn't pay for it, then.
...I guess?

I'm not particularly in the habit of critiquing art; you just said they looked perfect and matched the detailed descriptions you gave the artist so I couldn't help but remark on the ways they conflicted with the images in my head.

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Post by Y1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:13 pm

swicked wrote:
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swicked wrote:Slight just looks really, really thin in that picture. Not stocky at all (well, except her legs are a fair amount thicker than Song's, but I'm talking about around her barrel).
Song's legs look really long, to me. I would have also thought she'd have a bit more of a rounded, childish face compared to Slight's, which would be a bit more angular and rough.
Plus, you put those two pictures next to each other, they are very nearly the same size with Slight only having a slightly longer neck. I mean, there's nothing to indicate these pictures are meant to scale with each other, but I would have expected... well, more runt-ish proportions if Song was meant to be depicted as significantly shorter than Slight. Essentially roughly as much shorter than an average guard pony than Slight is taller, since that would allow her to all but disappear behind one.

It's a little odd to think these were drawn at the same time, too, given Slight's down one ear when she meets Song, but that's really just artistic license.
Huh. Good thing it's fan art and I didn't pay for it, then.
...I guess?

I'm not particularly in the habit of critiquing art; you just said they looked perfect and matched the detailed descriptions you gave the artist so I couldn't help but remark on the ways they conflicted with the images in my head.
I guess I just got over excited by the fact that someone drew fan art for me, and didn't look at it too discerningly. Now that you've pointed it out, it does seem glaringly obvious.
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Post by Valikdu on Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:24 am

swicked wrote:I am SO LMRing and I don’t even care.

I've been trying to put my own reaction into words, and I couldn't find any. So, I'll just go with your version.

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Post by Y1 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:02 am

When I wrote the transformation scene, my intention was for it to be creepy, but sorta arousing at the same time. I always try my best to keep the reader firmly rooted in Slight's mind and thoughts, and so even if you don't agree with her, how she thinks and sees things will hopefully affect how you think and see things as well. The transformation scene was the really tricky in that regard, because I had to try and make something as repulsive as having your teeth and skin ripped off seem exciting. It took a few re-writes to get it to work.
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Post by RoboRed on Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 am

Well, it worked for me.

Like I said, it gave me the weirdest boner. Crazy 

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:42 pm

Guess I'm in the minority. I just found that scene disturbing.

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Post by swicked on Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:47 pm

Y1 wrote:When I wrote the transformation scene, my intention was for it to be creepy, but sorta arousing at the same time. I always try my best to keep the reader firmly rooted in Slight's mind and thoughts, and so even if you don't agree with her, how she thinks and sees things will hopefully affect how you think and see things as well. The transformation scene was the really tricky in that regard, because I had to try and make something as repulsive as having your teeth and skin ripped off seem exciting. It took a few re-writes to get it to work.
Well, I'm "kinda creepy", so it directly appealed to me to the extreme ^_^
I LOVE body horror!

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Post by Valikdu on Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Last wrote:Guess I'm in the minority. I just found that scene disturbing.

Well, it IS disturbing.
Highly disturbing.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:51 pm

I meant just disturbing. As in there were no boners or arousal coming from me.

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Post by Y1 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:52 pm

Last wrote:I meant just disturbing. As in there were no boners or arousal coming from me.
Now now, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Some of us are just not interested in violent flesh rending sex, and that's okay! We just need to understand our differences and respect each other's boundaries.

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